Poll: Adamantium vs Lightsaber

[CloakedOne]

Adamantium. Why? Swords can stop lightsabers in KotOR, seems reasonable adamantium could do it.

I don't think it's a good idea to cite a videogame in this case. Often, video games have to work out balancing extreme elements such as the cutting power of the lightsaber to make the game playable and challenging.

 

[Mumonk]

Adamantium, its so super dense nothing can cut through it. Even a light saber can have a hard time cutting through certain metals. Let alone a uncutable metal.

As much as I hate the new Star Wars movies, I will have to cite the opening scene of the Phantom Menace, when they closed the big blast doors (the second set, not the first set). Those were just heavy metal doors, and yes, he did start getting through them slowly, but it was slow and he was having to twist it around and slowly melt it.

Thats just my opinion though, I think this is a unmovable object vs. an unstoppable force argument which is a paradox =P

 

[Sneeze]

Unstoppable force vs. immovable object anyone?

I honestly have no idea but I'll say adamantium because Wolverine is more awesome than Luke Skywalker (I went there).

 

[CrazyCapnMorgan]

With all of the debate and subsequent knowledge, I think the OP needs to make a new thread with the following question...

"If someone is wearing armor that consists of Mandalorian iron, cortosis, adamantium and vibranium and said person is also wielding a lightsaber...are they nigh unstoppable?"

OT: People are forgetting a crucial aspect of the lightsaber. The blade is, indeed, very destructive. However, it's hilt is quite vulnerable to attack. Destroy the hilt and you effectively destroy the blade. Then the question becomes, can the person using the adamantium figure this weakness out in time before the lightsaber can achieve victory? My answer - given the right person, yes. Therefore, my vote went to adamantium.

Now, if the lightsaber hilt was made of any of the previously mentioned materials....welllll, I think it's safe to assume that that would be one hell of a long battle. So long that I don't believe there's enough popcorn in the universe, and all of its parallels, to sustain me watching it. Let alone thousands upon thousands of people spanning that same universe.

 

[SteveZim1017]

Lightsabers don't cut through everything like butter. Its been shown on multiple occasions that a swing of a lightsaber wont cut through alot of metals.

Qui Gon's door cutting has been used as an example as well as vader's saber bouncing off a railing and not cutting it (which I'm assuming was made from the stolen but not properly created mandalorian iron the empire strip mined.)

Cortosis has been referenced but as a comparason to adamantium it doesnt work. Cortosis is a very brittle weak metal. it stops lightsabers because of its reactive properties that actually short out the saber for a second or two.

adamantium would be more comparable to mandalorian iron. Mandolorian iron gloves (chrushgloves I think they were called) have been able to catch lightsaber blades with no problems. Adamantium would be similar.

And to further nerdify. Adamantium is an alloy not a metal you would mine from the ground. the combined elements (steel, vibranium and maybe one other thing I think) are each melted and combined. when it cools (as adamantium) it is considered indestructable and will not melt again even at its original melting temperature. So heat from a lightsaber would not be a factor.

 

[alrekr]

I actually heard somewhere that a lightsaber wouldn't actually cauterize you. I'm not sure why though.

In the movies it cauterizes, but I remember reading somewhere that in theory the heat needed to cauterize while slicing would be so hot that the person wielding the weapon would have his/her hand cooked just by holding the darn thing.

Well lightsabers wouldn't work in real life due to the fact that the light would continue to extend from the source until it hit something. So I doubt there's any point in trying to work out what would happen if you attempted to make one.

 

[SteveZim1017]

This has been done before but to the answer to your question, I voted Adamanitum.

Wrong.
Cap's shield is actually made from a very special kind of vibranium.

/nitpick

Some stories say it's a hybrid of both.

Really? I thought adamantium was a derivative of vibranium. If I recall correctly, the scientist who made Cap's shield developed adamantium after trying to recreate the same material.

It's been a while since I saw "Ultimate Avengers" movie 2006, but I'm sure they make a small point of saying that it's an improvement over his last shield saying it's part vibranium and part adamantium With makes it best of both worlds since they cover each other's weakness Vibranium being lighter even more unbreakable than Adamantium but with Adamantium which doesn't breakdown when hit with certain soundwaves(beams).

Oh right, I forgot about the whole different Universe thing and checked the Marvel Database which said it's made of Adamantium. I assumed it was Earth-616.

So I'm wrong and right.

in the ultimates universe cap's shield is 100% adamantium. in the 616 universe it is officially a vibranium / unknown metal alloy. That's how its been listed in the official marvel databases for years, however there have been several marvel writers over the years that took it upon themselves to claim the unknown metal was adamantium (even though it wasn't created until years after the shield was). Poor editing work on marvel's part

 

[SteveZim1017]

I s

Lightsaber. No metal can stand up against pure energy, unless it's enchanted (like the Sith Swords) or a vibrosword.

I would research the cortosis and mandolorian iron that has been referenced many times in the thread before making that statement.

that and vibroswords aren't enchanted. they are a complicated blade that uses a combination of super high speed vibration and an electrical charge to create a thin electromagnetic field around the blade that repulses lightsabers.

 

[Veylon]

As I understand it, the lightsaber would eventually cut through, though it would take a very long time (and possibly several changes of battery).

Also, I have to wonder, is there some kind of heavy-duty, industrial strength lightsaber? That might be what's needed.

 

[Sir-jackington]

quite the question indeed........i would place my money on Adamantium

 

[The Funslinger]

accidentally quoted myself below, my bad...

 

[The Funslinger]

In the Star Wars Universe, there is a mineral called Cortosis. Weapons with this mineral intergrated can resist a lightsaber with varying degrees of success. Pure adamantium? Essentially indestructible, so I'd say adamantium.

I s

Lightsaber. No metal can stand up against pure energy, unless it's enchanted (like the Sith Swords) or a vibrosword.

I would research the cortosis and mandolorian iron that has been referenced many times in the thread before making that statement.

that and vibroswords aren't enchanted. they are a complicated blade that uses a combination of super high speed vibration and an electrical charge to create a thin electromagnetic field around the blade that repulses lightsabers.

It's funny because he thinks Star Wars has magic. (force does not = magic) enchantments... *snort* but yeah, cortosis, and mandalorian metal (Beskar)

 

[SteveZim1017]

In the Star Wars Universe, there is a mineral called Cortosis. Weapons with this mineral intergrated can resist a lightsaber with varying degrees of success. Pure adamantium? Essentially indestructible, so I'd say adamantium.

I s

Lightsaber. No metal can stand up against pure energy, unless it's enchanted (like the Sith Swords) or a vibrosword.

I would research the cortosis and mandolorian iron that has been referenced many times in the thread before making that statement.

that and vibroswords aren't enchanted. they are a complicated blade that uses a combination of super high speed vibration and an electrical charge to create a thin electromagnetic field around the blade that repulses lightsabers.

It's funny because he thinks Star Wars has magic. (force does not = magic) enchantments... *snort* but yeah, cortosis, and mandalorian metal (Beskar)

Beskar! thank you! I could not remember the mandolorian name for the metal. I felt so incomplete nerding out on star wars and marvel universe minutia and not being able to fully complete the process.

 

[Wereduck]

The question is, does a lightsaber cut through EVERYTHING?!?!?! It always seems to, but im supposing it should have a limit, or you could just throw a lightsaber at a death star and slice through it like a hot penny through butter.

From what I've seen you could do that but a lightsaber-sized hole through a death star wouldn't do significant damage unless it was very well aimed.

OT: lightsaber

 

[Jamboxdotcom]

The question is, does a lightsaber cut through EVERYTHING?!?!?!

The geek in me thought you'd like to know about Cortosis [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_substances#Cortosis].

you forgot Mandalorian Iron [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalorian_iron]

actually, beskar (Mandalorian steel/iron) is only ("only") highly resistant to lightsabers, not impervious.

This has been done before but to the answer to your question, I voted Adamanitum.

Wrong.
Cap's shield is actually made from a very special kind of vibranium.

/nitpick

unless they've changed something with all the rebooting and ret-conning, Cap's shield was actually an Adamantium/Vibranium blend. at least that's what they claimed in the '80s. i haven't kept up on Marvel continuity since the early '90s, so for all i know they changed it...



*edit* aaaaaand, it looks like i was ninja'd on both points. i hate when i start typing a post at work and get side-tracked for an hour before i finish

 

[SteveZim1017]

Time to nerd out again....

how about we just make a vibrosword out of a carbonfiber/graphite core with an edge of antarctic vibranium (anti-metal) and call it quits.

it would combine the best of both universes into a weapon that can stop a lightsaber AND cut through adamantium.

read and nerdify thyself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibranium#Properties_and_known_abilities

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vibrosword

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Not everything melts. Now everything is destructible tho

Pretty sure having four states of being is a property of matter. The transition from solid to liquid being melting.

Perhaps but adamantium is slightly different than most metals it has a melting point higher than plasma(it was liquefied through a multi layered process and grafted on wolverines bones), it also has some energy altering properties tho they are not well documented.

For all intensive propose its marvels version of
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cortosis

or

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Phrik

Neither are prefect, both have have strengths and weaknesses.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Lightsabers only produce heat incidentally, so your flesh would burn, not cauterise. (Not hot enough....though would set surrounding clothes on fire).

Against Adamantium though, it would deflect off; and require holding it against the Adamantium to cut (not melt) through it.

(You can see similar with Thermite versus Titanium)

Simply: Lightsabers are shaped plasma; if Obi-Wan struck Wolverine with it, it would shear through his flesh, but dissipate around the Admantium.

(Proof: Lightsabers in Star Wars do set damage, Adamantium in Marvel deflects all heat up to pure nuclear fusion (Sun))

Caveat: The flesh around the Adamantium WOULD cauterise as the Adamantiums heat would cauterise the wound.

how about we just make a vibrosword out of a carbonfiber/graphite core with an edge of antarctic vibranium (anti-metal) and call it quits.

Problem, Vibrainium absorbs energy (mostly sound), so the blade couldn't vibrate. A mono-molecular Vibranium sword could work, but it'd still have problems being swung too fast.

 

[are.you.the.god.its.me.vader]

This picture is perfect for the occasion...

I think it would take a while for the lightsaber to cut through adamantium, but it would cut through nonetheless.

 

[SteveZim1017]

Lightsabers only produce heat incidentally, so your flesh would burn, not cauterise. (Not hot enough....though would set surrounding clothes on fire).

Against Adamantium though, it would deflect off; and require holding it against the Adamantium to cut (not melt) through it.

(You can see similar with Thermite versus Titanium)

Simply: Lightsabers are shaped plasma; if Obi-Wan struck Wolverine with it, it would shear through his flesh, but dissipate around the Admantium.

(Proof: Lightsabers in Star Wars do set damage, Adamantium in Marvel deflects all heat up to pure nuclear fusion (Sun))

Caveat: The flesh around the Adamantium WOULD cauterise as the Adamantiums heat would cauterise the wound.

how about we just make a vibrosword out of a carbonfiber/graphite core with an edge of antarctic vibranium (anti-metal) and call it quits.

Problem, Vibrainium absorbs energy (mostly sound), so the blade couldn't vibrate. A mono-molecular Vibranium sword could work, but it'd still have problems being swung too fast.

you are thinking of wikandan vibranium. I believe antarctic vibranium has the exact opposite properties and would actually enhance the vibration.