Poll: Are core gamers too harsh on Nintendo?

[slipknot4]

That's called milking a franchise, not being innovative and placing them in new environments.
And yes, they are lazy. If Nintendo was to have any respect from me they should have more than 5 new titles every year.
By that i mean 5 actually good titles and not games like this

 

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Nintendo still makes fantastic games but people usually think negatively about the company now because of the wii and all the horrible 3rd party games.

I'm guessing the reason Nintendo hasn't come up with any new game ideas is because they spend all their original thinking making games like wii fit and so forth.

 

[Kae]

It's obvious to me that Nintendo doesn't deserve all the Bashing it gets sure it deserves SOME but not all and I've also seen that a lot of people that Nintendo feels more like a toy well news to all of you Video Games are TOYS! sure you can argue that they are art but news to you too they can be toys and art at the same time, well anyway people seem to say that Nintendo doesn't change it's games well actually not that much but if you look at the big picture they have a HUGE variety of different games, they have all kinds off games let's name some examples: in the action/adventure they would have games like The Legend of Zelda and Metroid and those are only they're main Action/adventure game as they have many more I assure you, Platforer would be obviously the Mario games, the kirby games, Metroid(again), Strategy I would name games like Pikmin, Fire Emblem, advance Wars, in the Shooter department we would have Metroid (again), Geist and Starfox. And those are only the ones I can name of the top of my head so do Sony or Microsoft offer this variety? well obviously no but they are not really game companies as they are gaming branches of larger corporations. But anyway that is besides the point so people complain about nintendo not changing well they don't really do but they do expand I can't even name how many franchises does Nintendo have so at least they have variety and for the most part also quality!

 

[Kae]

also I can't belive the statistics really way too many people seem to judge Nintendo too Harshly it's almost 50-50 I really didn't realize how much people dislike Nintendo and now that I know I find it kinda sad..

 

[CriticalGriffin]

Nowadays, yes. It's not Nintendo I despise, it's the Wii. Here, I'll count the games I give a fuck about on the Wii

Twilight Princess
Metroid 3(Maybe)
Red Steel 2
No More Heroes
No More Heroes 2
SSBB
Silent Hill: Shattered Memories

In comparison

PS3

Demon's Soul's
MGS 4
God Of War 3
Killzone 2
Star Wars The Force Unleashed
Star Wars The Force Unleashed 2
Dante's Inferno
Splinter Cell Conviction
Heavy Rain
Bayonetta
GTA IV
Borderlands
GTA: The Ballad Of Gay Tony
GTA: The Lost And Damned
Dragon Age Origins
Yakuza 3
Mafia II
Alpha Protocol
Bioshock
Bioshock 2


360

Halo 3
Dead Rising
Dead Rising 2
Mass Effect
Mass Effect 2
Alpha Protocol
Star Wars The Force Unleashed
Star Wars The Force Unleashed 2
Dante's Inferno
Borderlands
Gears Of War 2
Red Dead Redemption
Bioshock
Bioshock 2
Splinter Cell Conviction
Mafia II
GTA IV
GTA: The Ballad Of Gay Tony
GTA: The Lost And Damned

Should I go on?

...
In short:
You failed at research. Your point is irrational. Your list sucks. You get a facepalm.

I voted yes not becaus of Nintendo's game liebery, but because Nintendo waited 3 years to fix their motion controls, showed no suport for 3rd parties (most companies didn't hear about wii motion+ until they annouced it at E3), and the Vitality Sensor what the fuck is a Vitality Sensor!?

Learn how to spell check, then we can talk

 

[Taerdin]

[snipped out for excessive missing the point]

I'm getting tired of writing blocks of text towards you and you somehow not getting it. You can call it 'fisking' if you want, but I was just helping you to see which part of your post I was referring to with each part of my reply, I wasn't really trying to tell you you were wrong and I'm still not trying to do that. I'm just telling you how I feel, and I feel that the storylines in these games are childish and they don't appeal to me. Nothing you say will change how I feel, so quit being so argumentative over a reply I made to a thread about how I feel about games.

Monopoly is one of the worst boardgames I've ever played, and that fact that you highlighted that as somehow being anything worth mentioning just shows how irrelevant I should take your opinion as.

If me posting a literal video of the plot has somehow not convinced you that the plots are childish, then theres really nothing else I can do. Feel free to reply with another block of text but I certainly won't say anything back to it. You seem to be completely missing the point, which may not necessarily be your fault, but you making unconvincing arguments back to me is not convincing me that Mario has anything but a 'family movie' plot, in fact you can't convince me of that because it does, this is a FACT not an OPINION, so stop being such a fanboy and fighting to the death over something which is completely 100% undeniably true.

 

[zhoominator]

So I love Nintendo but hate the Wii due to it's degrading of gaming from it's past to old people and family's playing it.

That's the stupidest comment I've ever heard. What's wrong with old people and families playing video games. The gaming industy is a business. Always has been. Get over it.

 

[Azure-Supernova]

The main complaints seem to be aimed at the gimmicky motion games, which to be fair a lot of developers are STILL NOT using to their full extent.

 

[thenoblegaunt]

I think people are angry at Nintendo because they're targeting their games towards little kids, which is what they've always done. Except now, these hardcore's that dislike Nintendo aren't the ones Nintendo's targeting.

 

[Kill100577]

If anything, we should bash Sports Games

Ok Wii sports

 

[DustyDrB]

If anything, other systems getting motion controls should improve the Wii's 3rd party games because of competition. Natal looks awesome. PS3's looks lame at this point though.

 

[Katana314]

Here's my view on Nintendo:

PROS
They definitely did invent some worlds no one else would have thought of way back when. And in order to make new games, they still have to reimagine those worlds in ways that fit. There are still plenty of older players that love Mario games, Zelda games, and all the classics. Why? Because they don't put together mechanics that exclude anyone. There's no dense maturity, the puzzles are all doable and still enjoyable by anyone competent. As for their treatment of plot elements, sometimes having a clear, hatable enemy makes your fight a lot easier. You don't feel at all sorry for what you're doing and there's no unnecessary Good/Evil internal battle (good thing because so many games shoehorn the idea in)

CONS
No matter how good they were so many years ago, they have definitely stagnated. EVERY sequel has to come up with new ideas to reimagine things; of course! So don't tell me they're still innovative because they come up with a new twist on existing Zelda tools (oh, you can swing with the hookshot now). I'm certainly not thinking Mario Galaxy was a 'horrible' game or anything, but it's like how they make a new Metal Slug or Call of Duty every year. It doesn't change or revolutionize a single thing, it's moderately fun until it's over, etc.

However, I will note that some of the most innovative games I've played of late, while not actually made BY Nintendo, are on Nintendo platforms. On the Nintendo DS, there's Phoenix Wright (new game coming out this february!), Elite Beat Agents, Advance Wars, the reimagining of the Mario RPGs with the Mario and Luigi games, and plenty more I can't even think of right now.

 

[lucky_sharm]

I don't get why Nintendo gets so many people complaining that they make the same games over and over. They do try to make new IPs, it's just that they never get bought either because of poor marketing or because these complainers are hypocrites and can't stand trying new things...

 

[EzraPound]

Here's my view on Nintendo:

PROS
They definitely did invent some worlds no one else would have thought of way back when. And in order to make new games, they still have to reimagine those worlds in ways that fit. There are still plenty of older players that love Mario games, Zelda games, and all the classics. Why? Because they don't put together mechanics that exclude anyone. There's no dense maturity, the puzzles are all doable and still enjoyable by anyone competent. As for their treatment of plot elements, sometimes having a clear, hatable enemy makes your fight a lot easier. You don't feel at all sorry for what you're doing and there's no unnecessary Good/Evil internal battle (good thing because so many games shoehorn the idea in)

CONS
No matter how good they were so many years ago, they have definitely stagnated. EVERY sequel has to come up with new ideas to reimagine things; of course! So don't tell me they're still innovative because they come up with a new twist on existing Zelda tools (oh, you can swing with the hookshot now). I'm certainly not thinking Mario Galaxy was a 'horrible' game or anything, but it's like how they make a new Metal Slug or Call of Duty every year. It doesn't change or revolutionize a single thing, it's moderately fun until it's over, etc.

However, I will note that some of the most innovative games I've played of late, while not actually made BY Nintendo, are on Nintendo platforms. On the Nintendo DS, there's Phoenix Wright (new game coming out this february!), Elite Beat Agents, Advance Wars, the reimagining of the Mario RPGs with the Mario and Luigi games, and plenty more I can't even think of right now.

Uhhh. . . Super Mario Galaxy was actually quite innovative, when you take into consideration the environmental designs and the incorporation of gravity into the gameplay; a nod to post- Half-Life 2 physics oneupsmanship. Of course, Nintendo has never been solely about innovation, per se -- more taking the ideas other people have already advanced and polishing them to the point of comparative perfection, à la Super Mario 64 or Pokémon Red/Blue.

Nintendo gets too much flak -- the Wii is a decent console, with an interesting (albeit underused) control schematic and a handful of great games. And even if they're not as great as they used to be as a first-party developer circa the SNES or N64, does anything really think it's a reasonable expectation that they continue to make games as great as Super Metroid or Ocarina of Time forever? Noone else has.

 

[lucky_sharm]

This is true. But when the less important plot is simple and childish, I can easily see how that would detract from the experience for someone of an older age. For instance, I don't need to spend an hour listening to laughable plots like this




"Wow sure is peaceful today, eh Bro?
...
It just makes you want a.... KERBLOOEY! Y'know? Some kind of shocking event..."

Yes Luigi... a Kerblooey. I can't see how you can debate with me that this is not written with children in mind. I mean besides the fact that the last time I've heard someone say kerblooey is... never... if you can actually sit through that entire video without skipping ahead or navigating away then I dont know what to say to you. This is the kind of thing that might be entertaining to my child, but to me its just nonsense that I would hastily skip through in order to get to the 'game' part of the game. In fact I watched someone about my age play that, and he was "mashing the button like the fist of the north star" and saying "words words words" like he couldn't care less about the childish plot, and I'd have to agree.

You did play through the whole game your self, right? You can't judge a game's plot solely on the intro cutscene. The game's villain, Count Bleck, is actually a tragic character hellbent on killing everything including himself by creating a giant black hole that will swallow up all dimensions. His dad wouldn't accept Bleck having a relationship with another woman and took her away from him. Losing his sense of life, he uses a forbidden book of prophecy to put an end to everything and turning into the insane Count Bleck as a result. Even in between chapters after his transformation, he expresses regret for his actions and reveals that not even he can't stop what he's already set in motion. So basically, he's really a more mature villain that you can sympathise with unlike some of the more one dimensional video game villains out there.

Admittedly, the whole theme of love in this game does get increasingly cheesy and annoying, but then again you can't often write a love story without it getting overly sappy and emotional at one point.

 

[WhiteFangofWhoa]

A hundred times no (to the poll question). I've played over 10 Wii games now and never had problems with the motion controls, and they work just fine without as well. Their primary source of flak comes from gamers who grew up in the age when they were the sole developer of games, and are thus disappointed when they chose the path of casual gaming and games for a younger audience.

As things stand, the PS3 is a better choice for the older, hardcore crowd, but they don't deserve such self-absorbed rot as I've seen on this board and others for choosing not to compete with two other companies in an overcrowded gaming demographic and trying something new. That's what got them into this business in the first place, in case you forgot.

 

[Taerdin]

snip

That may be true, but I'm talking more about the delivery than the actual content I guess.

I think you can judge a great deal from the tone and language of the intro cutscene, so I guess I disagree with you there.

 

[Anticitizen_Two]

Nintendo is the single greatest game company of all time. I will argue with anyone over this point.

 

[Treblaine]

[snipped out for excessive missing the point]

I'm getting tired of writing blocks of text towards you and you somehow not getting it. You can call it 'fisking' if you want, but I was just helping you to see which part of your post I was referring to with each part of my reply, I wasn't really trying to tell you you were wrong and I'm still not trying to do that. I'm just telling you how I feel, and I feel that the storylines in these games are childish and they don't appeal to me. Nothing you say will change how I feel, so quit being so argumentative over a reply I made to a thread about how I feel about games.

Monopoly is one of the worst boardgames I've ever played, and that fact that you highlighted that as somehow being anything worth mentioning just shows how irrelevant I should take your opinion as.

If me posting a literal video of the plot has somehow not convinced you that the plots are childish, then theres really nothing else I can do. Feel free to reply with another block of text but I certainly won't say anything back to it. You seem to be completely missing the point, which may not necessarily be your fault, but you making unconvincing arguments back to me is not convincing me that Mario has anything but a 'family movie' plot, in fact you can't convince me of that because it does, this is a FACT not an OPINION, so stop being such a fanboy and fighting to the death over something which is completely 100% undeniably true.

You seems to be missing the point of the internet if you think I or anyone actually cares all that much about your personal opinion.

While our respective opinions are important the only reason anybody (including me) would care about this argument/discussion/debate is to help shape their own opinion, I have been arguing the case for everyone's sake that we should - as gamers - not dismiss Nintendo/Wii/their core franchises for any perceptions of "childishness" or otherwise. Yeah I am trying to convince you otherwise to an extent but also for the benefit of the many others who read this forum.

You can have the opinion that vanilla is the worst flavour ice cream in the world... but that is not a cohesive argument for people to stop eating vanilla ice cream. Same with your opinion on Monopoly which I'm sorry you don't like, though I suggest it does require the right attitude and good friends to play with. I think it is a perfect example if you give it a bit more thought rather dismiss it from the prejudice of your own negative experiences.

I NEVER contested your point that at least that particular Mario games was childish, I accept that fact. What I objected to was your conclusion that childish = bad and a reason to avoid said titles, which leads back to the forum topic of hating on the Wii. You are also making somewhat of a straw man argument with Super Paper Mario, what about Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess? Legend of Zelda has traditionally been much less asinine or less "childish" than Mario, and then lets not forget that other Nintendo franchise of Metroid such as the much anticipated Other M from the developers of the Ninja Gaiden franchise.