Poll: Are you a feminist?

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Realitycrash

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Jiggy said:
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Jiggy said:
Yeah, you are telling the truth. But only in a strictly legal sense. You aren't biologically female, only legally. Thing is, most people don't give a shit about the legal part. Sadly a sex change isn't magic that actually makes you the other gender, all it makes you is your original gender mutilated to look like the other gender. I'm guessing thats his problem. You may officially be female, he however doesn't consider you female. Thus, for him to sleep with you would be much like sleeping with a man. It's a mental barrier and while complicated, I would also say that you not mentioning it is deceptive.
Suddenly, it doesn't surprise me that you're so defensive about people going "lol, MRAs" when someone interrupts a rant about feminism for a rant about transgender people.
Considering how you think that post was grounds to (foolishly) try and start a personal attack against me, I'm sure you can point what I wrote there that is actually inaccurate, right? Or are you just, once more, spouting out incoherent bullshit?
The question one then has to ask is; "Gender, is it just a biological thing?". I have several transgender friends, some who I can't tell what sex they were to begin with, so why would that make them any less of a man/woman?
Honestly, is that half of a chromosome so important that it is what we use to judge when a woman is a "woman" and not a man, or vice versa?
 

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Jonluw said:
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Jonluw said:
I don't identify as feminist because the word holds lots of different connotations depending on whom you ask, and I believe I shouldn't have to specify that I want the sexes to be equal. It should be the default position.
Sadly, a large chunk (Maybe majorty?) of the world still disagree. You know, with a large chunk of the world still being rigorously religious, and these religions often dictating how a man and a woman should behave themselves. This might not, de jure claim that they are not equal, but simply have different responsibilities, but it often de facto the case.

So yeah, you will probably keep having to state that for awhile.
And still I'd prefer to simply explain that I think men and women are equal, rather than say "I'm feminist" and deal with all the baggage that word carries with it.
The moment you attach a label like that to yourself, people start putting words in your mouth and ascribing opinions to you.

It's the same reason why I identify as non-religious, not atheist, even though I am atheist as well.
Well, yes. But that wasn't my point. My point is that a lot of people really don't think that equality is such an obvious truth, and that you would probably have to keep stating it, due to the state of the world. It might be the default position in some places in some societies, but it is far from an universally accepted position.
 

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Realitycrash said:
Jonluw said:
Realitycrash said:
Jonluw said:
I don't identify as feminist because the word holds lots of different connotations depending on whom you ask, and I believe I shouldn't have to specify that I want the sexes to be equal. It should be the default position.
Sadly, a large chunk (Maybe majorty?) of the world still disagree. You know, with a large chunk of the world still being rigorously religious, and these religions often dictating how a man and a woman should behave themselves. This might not, de jure claim that they are not equal, but simply have different responsibilities, but it often de facto the case.

So yeah, you will probably keep having to state that for awhile.
And still I'd prefer to simply explain that I think men and women are equal, rather than say "I'm feminist" and deal with all the baggage that word carries with it.
The moment you attach a label like that to yourself, people start putting words in your mouth and ascribing opinions to you.

It's the same reason why I identify as non-religious, not atheist, even though I am atheist as well.
Well, yes. But that wasn't my point. My point is that a lot of people really don't think that equality is such an obvious truth, and that you would probably have to keep stating it, due to the state of the world. It might be the default position in some places in some societies, but it is far from an universally accepted position.
Of course, if I went to some different place, values might be different, but I'd rather keep stating that I think people should be equal than keep stating that I'm feminist.
Luckily, this isn't something I have to deal with where I live, so I can take it that most people I meet will assume me to be "feminist" without having to bring it up.
 

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I never realised how many people from these forums are politically and socially active in that way
 

xplosive59

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Jiggy said:
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I am all for equality in everything!

I hate feminazi's though, and by that I mean the ones who want men to be wiped off the face of the earth eg this ***** here...

http://thefemitheist.blogspot.com.br/2012/04/allow-me-to-introduce-myself.html

...Who believes that every man should be castrated, and should be executed if they refuse. (She isn't trolling either, she's got an entire youtube channel devoted to that stuff.
Uh, yeah, she is trolling and it's fucking obvious, she even has a list of Anti-Feminist Youtubers on the Sidebar.
Fair enough, I missed that before.
 

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By its strictest definition, yes.

But I can't say it out loud when things like "Women VS Tropes" happen on YouTube causing an absolute tidal wave of misogynistic hate comments and death threats immediately afterwards.
 

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I am a (male) feminist. I'm subscribed to weareultraviolet.org, a feminist petition site, and I sign most of the petitions they send my way.
 

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Jonluw said:
I believe I shouldn't have to specify that I want the sexes to be equal. It should be the default position.
It SHOULD be the default position, but it isn't. That's kind of the whole reason feminism exists.
 

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these are nothing to do with feminism, also it's my problem. By the way I have reasons to not like traps (different topic, you can message me in PM, but since you are troll I doubt I will answer). Plus I am not from MRA, I am for equal male/female rights.
Transgender person != trap

That is a really unpleasant, derogatory term.
 

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I'll call my self an equalist. I support the advancement to equality of everyone's rights.
I thought equalists were those guys who don't like bending [http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Equalists].

It sounds like you might be an egalitarian [http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/egalitarian], though. (And now that I think of it, that's what I am, in fact. I should've thought of that in my last post.)
 

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Yes I do.

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Common myths and misconceptions about feminism include:
All feminists are women.
Just as it's possible for straight people to be in favor of same-sex marriage, or for non-Jews to be against anti-Semitism, it is very much possible for men to identify as feminist. Some well-known men who identify as feminists or have expressed feminist ideals include Alan Alda, Joss Whedon, Kurt Cobain, John Lennon, Henrik Ibsen, John Stuart Mill, Linkara and most of his male colleagues, Frederick Douglass, and L. Frank Baum.
It's worth noting that there's a minority school of thought that says while men can (and should) support feminism, they shouldn't identify themselves as feminists, because they think feminism is fundamentally about women solving their own problems without looking to men to do it for them. Men sympathetic to feminism who agree with this point of view generally describe themselves as "pro-feminist."

All feminists are lesbians.
Lesbians have been an important part of the feminist movement pretty much from day one ? prominent lesbian or bisexual feminists include Andrea Dworkin, Valerie Solanas, Simone de Beauvoir, Judith Butler, Julia Serano, Camille Paglia and Mary Daly. However, many (probably most) feminists are straight women. There are also male feminists (straight, bisexual, gay and asexual), asexual feminists, transgender feminists, and feminists of any other sexuality and gender identity you can think of.
There have been a few feminist writers ? especially during the 1970's, before the movement had made as many gains as it had today ? who suggested that it might not be possible to have a truly egalitarian heterosexual relationship as long as sexism remained pervasive in society. This was fiercely debated even at the time, though, and it was never mainstream feminist dogma that women had to swear off sex with men to become feminists.

All feminists are hairy-legged, makeup-shunnin', boot-wearin' brutes.
As much as feminists dislike the "women must be dainty and pretty" messages that society/media blast at them, for most, it's the must part that they object to. Some feminists choose to avoid or reject mainstream beauty ideals as a statement of protest, and there are even some who adhere to a Real Women Never Wear Dresses philosophy ? but it's increasingly argued that valuing traditionally masculine behavior (like being unconcerned about looks) over traditionally feminine behavior (like wearing dresses and makeup) is ultimately pretty anti-feminist in itself. Most feminists just think men and women should be equally free to decide for themselves how much effort they care to put into their appearance.

Feminism was invented in the 1970s.
Go back to any place and time where there has been widespread discrimination against women, and you will find feminism. (Or at least something that looks like feminism if you squint hard enough.) The word "feminism" dates back to 1895, and Christine de Pizan was writing feminist works as far back as the early 15th century. If you believe that men can be feminists and that identifying with the movement isn't essential, then according to some interpretations of his work feminism may go all the way back to Euripides. That would make Feminism Older Than Feudalism. (On the other hand, some of his contemporaries called him misogynistic even by Ancient Greek standards.)

Feminists think men and women are 100% identical.
Most feminists would agree that there are slight, overall differences between the sexes. While sentiments like "men tend to be slightly physically stronger than women" can lead to arguments if stated/interpreted wrongly, the majority of feminists would concede that, yes, males generally have females beat in raw strength. What really grinds a feminist's gears are suggestions that:

* Something that applies to one sex is universal and cannot apply to the other sex. ("Any man is physically stronger than any woman, ever, period.")
* Differences between the sexes are an excuse for sexual discrimination. ("Women are not as physically strong as men, and thus no women should ever be allowed to have jobs that require lifting heavy objects.") (Or, even worse, "Women are not as physically strong as men, and thus no woman should ever be allowed to have jobs.")
Failure to adhere to expectations about one's sex is an excuse for ridicule. ("Any man weaker than a woman is a loser; any woman stronger than a man is a freak.")




Feminists are frigid, hate sex, and want to stop anyone from enjoying porn or fanservice.

Feminists have a problem with porn tropes that promote a degrading or hateful view of women (Victim Falls For Rapist, Not If They Enjoyed It Rationalization, Sex Slave, etc.), and with the ways the porn industry exploits a lot of the women who work for it. Some (again, this was a more popular position in the 1970's than it is today) do think porn inherently objectifies women and is therefore always misogynistic; other feminists, though, think what the world actually needs is better porn ? porn that presents sex as something where both partners' desires should be equally important. There's more of a consensus on fanservice: feminists are generally not against seeing sexy ladies in media, but don't like how often the ladies' Character Development is pushed aside in favor of looking at their, err, other developments. In any case, most feminists enjoy sex just fine, and those who don't are typically at least okay with the idea of it. There's even a whole faction of the movement, called Sex-Positive Feminism, that focuses on working to promote positive and empowering views of sexuality.

Feminists hate men, think women are better than men, and think women should have more power than men.

Women who seriously blame men for everything are known to readers of this wiki as Straw Feminists and to mainstream feminists as "wrong." Most feminists don't think sexism is primarily something all individual men do to all individual women ? the problem is patriarchy, which is the name for the whole system of cultural ideas and institutions that function to oppress and control women. Women can ? and frequently do ? act in ways that support patriarchy, and men can ? and do ? fight patriarchy. The point of feminism (as much as such a vast and highly fragmented movement can be said to have a point) is to raise women to the level of rights/respect that men have had for centuries, not to drag men down to subhuman levels as some cosmic act of revenge.

Feminists think women are the only ones who are hurt by sexism, and don't care about men's problems.

It's pretty uncontroversial in feminist circles to point out that patriarchy hurts men in plenty of ways. (Some would argue that it hurts women more on the whole, but others think the whole question of whose oppression is worse is a pointless distraction from actually working to fix things.) A lot of feminists specifically focus on the ways men's oppression and women's oppression are linked ? for instance, many argue that companies need to start granting paternity leave both so that fathers can have the chance to bond with their kids, and so that women aren't always assumed to be the ones who are automatically responsible for child care.

Feminists burn bras.

Back in The Sixties, there were some public demonstrations in which feminists threw bras, high heels, and other fashion-related items into trash cans to protest unrealistic standards of beauty. A newspaper headline compared these actions to men burning draft cards during The Vietnam War. The two ideas got jumbled together in the public consciousness, and the myth of bra-burning continues to this day.
Feminists are angry, bitter harpies.
Most feminists will have certain Double Standards they especially loathe; however, they don't go around being cranky all the time, any more than atheists do. (Besides, don't we all have certain double standards we especially loathe? Fundamental attribution error at work again, ladies and gentlemen.)
 

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Sylocat said:
Jonluw said:
I believe I shouldn't have to specify that I want the sexes to be equal. It should be the default position.
It SHOULD be the default position, but it isn't.
It is in my area and peer group. *shrug*.
I just don't see any reason to bring up the fact that I believe women and men should be equal unless someone asks what I think about the issue.
 

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I answered 'Yes', but my position extends far past it.
I believe in equal rights for all people of legal age, and that discrimination should be based on one's behavior.
 

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Jonluw said:
I don't identify as feminist because the word holds lots of different connotations depending on whom you ask, and I believe I shouldn't have to specify that I want the sexes to be equal. It should be the default position.
I agree with this. I'm an egalitarian which is more what feminism SHOULD be than what it is now.
 

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Certain people are perhaps more predisposed to committing these acts than others but the idea of pre-emptively punishing people for crimes that they might not even commit sounds pretty fucked up to me.
This reminds me of a study that a psychiatrist (at least I think he was a psychiatrist) performed where he looked at MRIs of the brains of several incarcerated serial killers, looking for patterns. He found patterns across the majority of them that were not present in his control group - and when he tested himself, he found the same patterns as the serial killers.

I wish I knew where I'd seen the article, I'd dig it up.

Oh, also, Minority Report.
Wow that's pretty interesting. The whole subject is pretty fascinating though, it tends to take quite a lot in terms of a broken childhood to push people far enough that they become serial killers, then again, I find that's oftent he case with any extreme beliefs or points of view, something has to have happened to make someoen become so totally detached from society.

What I've never understood is why feminism keeps such an obviously gendered label if it's dedicated to equal rights between the sexes - seems like a bad idea to continue to paint yourself with a label that provokes an 'us vs them' reaction. I think it was probably more necessary in the past but to be honest I'd say all it does now is discourage people from taking up with the cause.
 

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FelixG said:
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I find those definitions of feminism to be sorely lacking. Feminism is the crazy idea that everybody deserves to be treated like a human being, regardless of things like age, race, gender or sexual orientation.
Your definition of feminism fails. That is egalitarianism.

OT: I said no, I care about everyones rights, not just women.
Actually, that is the same definition that I was told when I had to take a woman's study's course in College. The difference between the two is that Feminism is all about defending and helping to gain power for woman and the LGBT community (yes, the lgbt community is also under the term feminism, you'll notice Nasrin said Gender and Sexual Orientation in her post. Not just sex, age and race) so that they may be on equal grounds as males in society. While they've made leaps and bounds in western civilization, they still have a long way to go outside of North America and in some parts of Europe. Even then, its not like we have total equality here either.
 

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Jiggy said:
I fail to see the logic behind "looks like a Man/Woman and therefore is a Man/Woman". That's kind of like if I were to paint black stripes on a white horse and claim that it is now a Zebra. I don't really care, I'm open, but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to play pretend too.
Because if you honestly believe that men and women are equal, and should not be treated differently in any way that was any remote bearing on ethics, then why not simply call them what they want to be called? And if you agree that X and Y are equal on every ground (and you can't tell them apart), then why bother with claiming that they "really aren't X/Y"? They are functionally the exact same thing as the "real deal" (except when it comes to childbirth, obviously), and unless you plan to have sex with them, why does it matter?
The whole issue just comes off as a bit academic to me.
 

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Yes... I hope most if not all people are. As you said, it's definition is believing in "women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes." if you don't agree with that than... Well... You are what's wron with the world.

Additionally, I'm tired of people saying that they choose not to identify with feminism because of the baggagage the Gomes with the term. It's only baggage comes from the very far right using it in a negative connotation. If someone like Rush Limbough uses a word as a negative, it's safe to say its probbably a good thing. If someone who likes bad things dislikes something that you like, take it as a compliment.

So... Yes... I'm a male feminist because I believe in equal rights for both sexes...
 

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Jiggy said:
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Jiggy said:
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Yeah, you are telling the truth. But only in a strictly legal sense. You aren't biologically female, only legally. Thing is, most people don't give a shit about the legal part. Sadly a sex change isn't magic that actually makes you the other gender, all it makes you is your original gender mutilated to look like the other gender. I'm guessing thats his problem. You may officially be female, he however doesn't consider you female. Thus, for him to sleep with you would be much like sleeping with a man. It's a mental barrier and while complicated, I would also say that you not mentioning it is deceptive.
Suddenly, it doesn't surprise me that you're so defensive about people going "lol, MRAs" when someone interrupts a rant about feminism for a rant about transgender people.
Considering how you think that post was grounds to (foolishly) try and start a personal attack against me, I'm sure you can point what I wrote there that is actually inaccurate, right? Or are you just, once more, spouting out incoherent bullshit?
Well, I'm pretty sure "mutilation" is not the most accurate term for sex reassignment (not to mention the transphobia.)
Definition below, seems to fit rather well. Also, what Transphobia?

"Mutilation or maiming is an act of physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of any living body, sometimes causing death."

That's what it is. Except maybe that you wouldn't refer to it as a injury, but that's getting into semantics.

And you appear to be getting sex and gender confused, which in turn seems to be preventing you from fully grasping the subject.
And you are assuming this based on what exactly? Because at one point I used the term sex change? Or because I believe that the guys problem is probably that he does not want to end up sleeping with someone that was in fact the same gender at some point? If thats the case, I'd remind you that you made the same assumption. Otherwise I have no idea where the fuck you are getting that from.
My advice is to read up more on sex reassignment and the difference between sex and gender. That way, you'll know the answers to those questions :D

Trilligan said:
ne might also conclude that if you wanted to avoid 'surprises' you should probably not get intimate with someone without first knowing that person intimately.
QFT
 

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moopig66 said:
Yes... I hope most if not all people are. As you said, it's definition is believing in "women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes." if you don't agree with that than... Well... You are what's wron with the world.

Additionally, I'm tired of people saying that they choose not to identify with feminism because of the baggagage the Gomes with the term. It's only baggage comes from the very far right using it in a negative connotation. If someone like Rush Limbough uses a word as a negative, it's safe to say its probbably a good thing. If someone who likes bad things dislikes something that you like, take it as a compliment.

So... Yes... I'm a male feminist because I believe in equal rights for both sexes...
It's not the far right that gave feminism A bad name, it's feminists and feminist organizations I've interacted with that have given them a bad name. Using bad statistics is the most common problem. Being sexist themselves normally comes right after.

For example, did you know that although feminists supported the opening of the first woman's shelter, they strongly opposed the opening of the first man's shelter? I would also like to remind you that Domestic violence is about 45% male victims. Why did feminists oppose this if they are for equal rights?

And I don't listen to far right anything, and to hell with rush, so you can't use that cop out excuse.