Yes and I donated a dollar to the "Tropes vs. Women in Video Games", yes I know it's not a lot, but she already has a lot of backing and I felt bad because of the crap she was getting.
It was a little more than a "mental barrier" in that one guy's case. It was more of a Great Wall O' Hatred.Jiggy said:I do. That however doesn't mean that I don't understand what issues others could have with that. Like I said, it's a mental barrier.
logic fail.Trilligan said:Okay, a quick proof:
1) An egalitarian wants equal rights and protection for all people under the law.
2) A feminist wants equal rights and protection for all women under the law.
3) All women are people.
Ergo:
All egalitarians are feminists.
QED.
The thing was it actually workedTrilligan said:Well, I'd say it is a bit easier for something like a political party, since they're a more coherent organization, with membership and leadership and ostensibly a headquarters and such. Feminism is a bit less like Labour Party and a bit more like Hippies, if that makes sense.Evilpigeon said:For a bit perhaps but it's certainly possible to rebrand movements. Off the top of my head an example might be Labour and 'new' Labour i.e. Tony Blair. The Labour party rebranded itself, in part to separate itself from previous labour governments and this swayed a lot of people as the country had been run by the conservative party for nearly 20 years.
I won't make a suggestion for a rename of the movement but there are certainly prominant feminist thinkers from the past that people would like to distance themselves from, as well as a very long lived political smear campaign. I'd have to do a google search to drum up examples though.
Also, this is kinda quibbling and not at all important since I knew what you meant, but it's kinda funny that the example you used was rebranding the Labour Party as . . . the Labour Party?
I wish I could hug you right now, this is exactly how I feel.Cyberbob87 said:I would consider myself an egalitarian; I believe in equality among all humans, not just between the sexes.
there are two football teams A and B.Trilligan said:And where is the failing in the logic? You said exactly what I did.mad825 said:logic fail.Trilligan said:Okay, a quick proof:
1) An egalitarian wants equal rights and protection for all people under the law.
2) A feminist wants equal rights and protection for all women under the law.
3) All women are people.
Ergo:
All egalitarians are feminists.
QED.
The idea of feminism is to stand for one sex only (felmales) while egalitarians are more broader in terms of view as they try to look from both sides.
Yes. I am a Third Wave Feminist.Moth_Monk said:Are you a feminist?
If yes, then have you done anything active to advocate the equality of women's rights?
Incidentally, I am not asking why/why not you are/are not a feminist; that topic has been overdone already.
The idea of feminism is that it acquired its name due to the fact that one gender was commonly being treated as subservient to the other. It was meant to be a tool for social reform. It's also why we talk about "gay rights" and not "sexual preference rights". When guys feel threatened and insist feminism is boomeranging and fucking up their privileges, we call it "mens rights".mad825 said:The idea of feminism is to stand for one sex only (felmales) while egalitarians are more broader in terms of view as they try to look from both sides.
I think we can include a substantial body of very, very excitable and paranoid men in the equation if we're parceling out blame for the colloquial abuse of the word feminism.J-meMalone said:It is sad that feminism's become such a dirty word to some, it should be such a nice thing, but a select few feminists and some bad journalist ruined it for the rest of them.
Ever studied set theory? Feminism is a subset of egalitarianism therefore all egalitarians are feminists.mad825 said:there are two football teams A and B.
The feminists support team A, masculinism support team B and egalitarians support A and B.
Which they don't. We still have people fighting over what a woman can do with her body, we still have horrible gender roles placed upon woman and men by society and we still have patriarchal societies all over the world. Its not equal.Arkaniack said:I can only facepalm at people here.
1. Male and Female creatures are not same, thus not equal. But they both deserve same rights and opportunities.
Wrong. Wrong on DOZENS of levels. First off, there are more woman then men in colleges across the country. That's a statistical fact and it says one of two things. 1) Either less men are going to college then woman or 2) Woman are beating men in terms of qualifications. As for the case of woman in firefighting and police work, can I see some of that in writing please because I'm not finding it anywhere and I'm beginning to highly doubt your credibility.Arkaniack said:2. Feminism is not for equal rights nor it is for equal opportunities. Want prof? - Gender quotas in job places and universities forcing to take in females that are not as qualified and throwing away males that are more qualified (eg. male with average mark 8 from 10 from school doesn't get place in university because of gender quota making female get to university with average mark of 6 from 10. Is that fair? Someone that is more qualified, smarter and harder working is thrown away because of their SEX as long as they are male). Feminism lowered job requirements for women. Look at police and firefighter job qualification requirements - weaker females are welcome - males not.
*Sigh* This is just....I don't...*Sigh* this is standard anti-feminism bullshit that, 1) isn't true and 2) just paranoia. If a woman attacks a man, she is going to jail for assault and battery as well. In the case of the "Cut off penis" shtick, she wasn't exactly "Free to go", she was found innocent due to insanity and that can be just as a bad if not WORSE then being found guilty.Arkaniack said:3. Feminism and law: Woman attack man - man goes to jail. Woman KILLS man after he asks for divorce - woman goes free. Woman cuts off pen1s of man asking for divorce - woman goes free + becomes role model. Man slaps woman in self defense (woman attacked) - gets beaten up by every other "feminist" male around + goes to police as the one to have assaulted. According to US laws : only man can rape, woman can't be rapist. Married man can't force his wife to have sex with him, in france if man doesn't please his wife when she wants he can get fined.
You're right, it does happen to both sexes, theres only one minor problem, woman tend to be abused and rape ON A MUCH LARGER SCALE! You can argue that "Some men don't report the problem!" but I doubt there are that many men out there that are causing such a drastic difference in the stats http://www.nij.gov/pubs-sum/183781.htm.Arkaniack said:4. Feminism propaganda: Women are only ones experiencing domestic violence - false, women as likely to cause domestic violence as men. All men shares guilt of being rapists and violence against women - yah...
No, it isn't and any standard feminist would tell you that. Feminsim is about equality among races, genders, sexes, ages, etc etc etc. The woman you asked us to visit on Youtube is not a feminist and even denies that she is a feminist herself in one of her videos (And she would be right, she does not meet the definition or the goals of the movement. There will always be men who hate woman and women who hate men, but please, do us all a favor and stop being so paranoid around the idea of feminism. What you are mad at is not Feminism.Arkaniack said:5. feminism and sexism: sexism against women - bad, sexism against men - ok.