Poll: Are you a feminist?

[moopig66]

Should... should i just link to one of the 500,000 articles i can find on the internet about sexisim aginst women... or would that take too long...?

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Neither of you have ever seen a man hating feminist eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feminists

It was a real group, here are some choice quotes from the wiki if you don't like jumping links

""characterized men as the enemy,"[1] considered "Love" to be "'the response of the victim to the rapist'",[1] and believed that marriage as a "proprietary relationship"[1] and uterine pregnancy would "no longer prevail."[1]"

"" To liberate themselves from such oppressive roles, The Feminists held that the feminist movement must be entirely autonomous from men and eventually came to hold that women should be free of men in their personal lives as well.""

"" The Feminists moved in the direction of advocating matriarchy and developing a "woman's religion", ideas that later came to be known as cultural feminism.""

They disbanded in 1973, BUT..

""Although The Feminists disbanded in 1973, they played an important role in the development of cultural feminism, separatist feminism, and anti-pornography feminism (Barbara Mehrhof later became an organizer for Women Against Pornography)""

They assimilated into the greater feminist movement, and as quoted, shaped quite a bit of feminist theory.

that's an old example, but I hope you meet someone who thinks like this in your future, it's an eye-opening experience for many, IF they don't invoke no true scotsmen as a reactionary defence of course.

 

[Darkmantle]

Should... should i just link to one of the 500,000 articles i can find on the internet about sexisim aginst women... or would that take too long...?

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Neither of you have ever seen a man hating feminist eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feminists

It was a real group, here are some choice quotes from the wiki if you don't like jumping links

""characterized men as the enemy,"[1] considered "Love" to be "'the response of the victim to the rapist'",[1] and believed that marriage as a "proprietary relationship"[1] and uterine pregnancy would "no longer prevail."[1]"

"" To liberate themselves from such oppressive roles, The Feminists held that the feminist movement must be entirely autonomous from men and eventually came to hold that women should be free of men in their personal lives as well.""

"" The Feminists moved in the direction of advocating matriarchy and developing a "woman's religion", ideas that later came to be known as cultural feminism.""

They disbanded in 1973, BUT..

""Although The Feminists disbanded in 1973, they played an important role in the development of cultural feminism, separatist feminism, and anti-pornography feminism (Barbara Mehrhof later became an organizer for Women Against Pornography)""

They assimilated into the greater feminist movement, and as quoted, shaped quite a bit of feminist theory.

that's an old example, but I hope you meet someone who thinks like this in your future, it's an eye-opening experience for many, IF they don't invoke no true scotsmen as a reactionary defence of course.

And that makes misandry okay because? Are you one of these vengeance feminists?

 

[moopig66]

I cant even begin to deconstruct your expletive laden, incoherent ranting that you passed off as a response. I was honestly trying to pass an olive branch, or at least a more relaxed response. I will however, regardless of weather or not it gets through, address some of your... statements:

1) I was most obviously not saying that i know more about discrimination than anyone else, i was however sharing where my insight comes from. I grew up in a small town in central Georgia, so i have perhaps more experience in the matter than some people.

2)You are most certainly not a member of the "yay equal rights for all" camp... your a member of the "yay men" camp... i hope you can see that.

3)One cannot have prejudice toward an oppressor, but rather an indignation toward them. As a man myself, i am not prejudice directed at myself... that would be confusing and weird, i have lots of male friends!

4)No, not all opinions are valid. Pedophiles are of the opinion that they should be able to rape children, that is not a valid opinion. Furthermore, ones opinions should be based as much as possible on the facts at hand, thus an opinion, such as that of "men's rights" activists, is much less valid than that of say... a women s rights activist.

5)Now i just get the feeling that your debating yourself... sad

6)It dosent matter what you think, you dont get to dictate how the world functions. And unimaginative insults are getting old now... and typical...

7)Oops, typeo there that you so eloquently pointed out, how gracious of you sir. A also enjoyed how you glossed over my point in favor of pointing this out, good show!

8)A vast majority of violence is against men because... well men are violent toward each other, as proven by your statement. Your "job death" statement only goes to show that women are not equally represented in the workforce... i dont know what you thought it meant... but you seem to be wrong there. As well, thank god women get the majority of the custody, i dont want to see men like you with control over a young child's development. And no, women cant rape men in the eyes of the law and that's wrong. Its pretty sexist actually, in regards to both genders.

9)Well, i see here is where the true problem lyes. YOU ARE PRIVILEGED! It does not mean its your fault and it does not make you a bad person in any way, its simply a fact that we as men must be aware of. Men/boys are culturally preferred as offspring. Not to mention the corporate unbalance when it comes to equal jobs for women. We also receive higher pay even though we work the same hours and have the same level of skill in our jobs... the list goes on...

10)It dosent matter, again, what you think, the world seems to be working in a way that you cant see... or dont want to see.

11)Im not sure what you were rebutting in this last statement, but im sure it was ill conceived.

12)I hid some spicy typeos in there just for you! Be a gent and point them out!

I apologize, i was put in RAGE MODE, upon reading some of my fellow escapist's comments.

I do not accept your apology. This post of your here shows that you remain to have not the slightest fucking clue. Your IGNORANCE sent you into DERP MODE, nothing else.

As someone who knows what its like, and i know im bringing that up a lot now but... i feel it adds some weight to the conversation or rather my opinion, this specific subject understandably can hit close to home. It does disturb me however to see people basically stating their disapproval for women equality. Having an opinion is one thing, but prejudice disguised as "asking questions" is not a valid opinion to hold as it is not an opinion but rather a prejudice.

First of all, fuck you if you think you are somehow the only one here who knows discrimination because you are gay, seriously, fuck you if that is what you honestly think.

Secondly, none of the people that are talking to you have said that they disagree with equality, but that they disagree with the notion that feminism is about "equality" and therefore do not identify as feminists.

I want to see us all living in a nice happy world where we can all get along, but to do so we must first stamp out the prejudice that plagues us (yes i know... colorful words...)

Good idea, start with your own, you've been one of, if not the most prejudice person here.

Even on the internet, all opinions are not valid, an opinion that i know many may disagree with. Racism is not a valid opinion as it is not based on fact but rather personal misunderstandings and inbred prejudice.

All opinions are valid, that's why they are opinions and not facts.

Likewise, sexism toward women is not a valid opinion to express anywhere, education is a must.

Sexism is wrong. Period. Good idea with the education, start with yourself, you need it more then anyone else here.

Now obviously im not saying sexists should be shot, but they should be given a nice lecture, however i also know that, in the words of Spock, one cannot be brought to a rational conclusion if they have not reached their own conclusion based on logic.

Which is why I am writing this, you need a nice stern talking to.

We keep pretending its ok to say redirection things about any subject like this. And underneath every (...most... but "every" sounds more exciting) opposing sentiment is a subtext of pure sexism.

Bullshit. This has nothing to do with misdirection, all it has to do with is people saying that they disagree with the notion that Feminism is pro equal rights and you then going on a tirade of brain farts.

The definition of sexism is, via Wikipedia (long quote): "Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women.[1][2] In addition, feminism seeks to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist is "an advocate or supporter of the rights and equality of women." I hope that each and every person out there agrees with these sentiments, that women out to be equal and that they deserve an appropriately proportionate role in our society.

That is not the definition of sexism, but of feminism. You were probably too busy being irrational to notice that I amoung others have been discussing the accuracy of said definition when supposed feminists like yourself clearly do not have the slightest clue what equality is.

And this "men are victimized too!!!" attitude that just translates to a MEE TOO attitude is just laced with sexism.

It is not sexist to point out that equality cannot be achieved by focusing on the issues of a group that is so equal that they now must throw all their frustration at petty shit like their portrayal in fucking video games, this applies to the majority of people here. If that's all the Feminists can come up with around here, I ask them to kindly step down as I have to deal with far more pressing issues. You know, like that fact that the vast majority of all violence has men as the victims? Or how about that a woman cannot rape a man because the legal definition makes it impossible. Or I could bring up how the vast majority of deaths on the job happen to men. Or how it is common place for a mother to gain custody of a child, or this or that. The list goes one for quite some time.

We as men are of a privileged we cant even begin to understand, there are so many more doors open to us from birth, specifically if you happen to be white and straight. And we forget that fact and fall into a defensive mode whenever confronted with this knowledge, and for what? So we can stay special? Is it because you dont feel privileged, because you work for a living? Im sure you do, im sure you work very hard and im sure you diverse what you get, but not everyone is presented in life with the same opportunities that lead to your success.

You can take that propaganda and shove it right up where the sun doesn't shine. Many a moron has tried to tell me that I'm totally privileged, yet not a single one has yet managed to actually explain how I am privileged and women totally have no privileges specific to their gender.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the Y chromosome, and no feminist thinks that there is,

Bullshit.

no matter what some Conservative blogger pushes. And ya there have been a few "feminists" who have said that all men are evil. but they arnt feminists, their wrong. Feminism is about equality for all, a sentiment that i hope everyone can get behind.

No true Scottsman.

 

[moopig66]

Aw, that poor women must of been hurt at some point... sad... she will find a good guy someday. I hope. And thats the same sentiment i feel toward you people, something happened to you or you experienced something abnormal and are now acting out irrationally based on this. One day you will come to terms with it


Hopefully...

Somebody else posted examples of people who hate men (and that's all misandry is, no discrimination needed). But in case that's not enough:

http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2010/10/07/a-rant/

There's also the scum Manifesto.

My favorite part of your response was how it didn't respond to anything!

You know, i live in the northwest, and i think that people are being discriminatory toward me because of that. Its northwestaphobia! Its a thing now, because i said so... see how that dosent work?

And I've never met an astronaut or someone from South American, and yet they still exist.

Yes, lots of things are older than me, like sexism... and homophobia... and racism...

How am i making up definitions?? Have you seen the man going their own way forum?

I have not once in my existence met anyone who hates men, they might not like the power they assert over them, they may not like their self appointed lordship over women, they may even avoid men as much as possible, but they dont hate men. And ive met MANY MANY far left liberals, im in Oregon after all.

Misandry does not mean they're oppressed, now stop making up definitions and especially sotp being a hypocrite.

You honestly think that nobody hates men? Because I can find people who say that they do really freaking easy.

Also
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misandry

The word is probably older than you are. Nobody here made it up.

Well... it does not, we all live in a society and we dont get to make up words to fit our sexist fantasies. It comes from the same mindset that thinks Christians in america are oppressed, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

really... some ad-laden website from the neather is your source...?

Wikipedia is so much better!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry

anyhoo... i bring up my sexuality to shed light upon where my understanding comes from, and because being called a word that, no matter what the internet asserts, makes wavy red lines appear underneath it, is an assertion that would be counter to my orientation.

As well, no actual dictionary has it, or as far as i can find, and Wikipedia is not a dictionary but rather a reference sight, which can define made up words.

I hoped his words of wisdom would rub off on you. Misandry, which makes wavy red lines appear below it as it is not a word... well... isn't a word. I, as a male, do not discriminate against men because they are men... that would be weird considering i BONE THEM! If i was a gay misandrist, it would be very hard to find positional dates considering my hate for them...

1. I don't give the slightest shit where you put your junk and it has no bearing at all on you being a misandrist.

2. For your reading pleasure:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misandry

Are you honestly going to say that firefox is a better source than wikipedia and the dictionary?

Misandry is just the hatred of men, it exists, and it's not a complicated concept. M

 

[lunavixen]

I don't identify as a feminist, but I do hold the belief that men and women should be treated equally regardless of age, religion or ethnicity and i do believe that it is unfair that women are still paid less than men. Men and women will never be physically equal due to physiological differences, and men and women both can do things that the other gender cannot; but on a political, economic and values standpoint I believe in equality, I am not an activist, especially compared to my ancestor, but I will stand up for womens rights when it comes down to it.

 

[repeating integers]

Welp, it's happened. The flames have begun.

It was inevitable.

 

[flatten_the_skyline]

I strive to break sexist habits that I might have taken up, I watch gender role behaviour closely, and I speak when I think that someone does or says something that is sexistic.

I am not so keen on the worker's rights agenda because I don't see the point in trying to fix a system that ist FUBAR in many other points as well, I am more keen on pointing out individual behaviour or media coverage.

And to all those blathering about misandry:

Yes it exists, and in several cases (like the author of the SCUM Manifesto) it is even linked to psychological conditions. But those are some persons.

Feminist women do not hate men by default. Most just want to do whatever the hell they want without being (verbally) attacked for what they are or fitted into gender roles. The vast majority is hetero or bisexual, enjoys good sex and falls in love with men who are not complete idiots.

Stop using extreme examples to discredit a whole movement.

 

[moopig66]

Ooh, i like that.

Me, alone in the night, adorned in a black silk cape and hood. A knife rests in my hand, hidden from the moons light beneath my cape. I stock a nearby bar, watching, waiting. A women walks out from the depths of the dank bar into the misty night that blankets the street. Her walk is awkward, her demeanor is intoxicated. Behind her walks a gentleman adorned in his most generic of white wife-beaters. His hand grasps her breast. POW! She smacks him across the jaw with her half broken purse, makeup containers shower the street. She walks off, angry and drunk.

The man stumbles toward the curb to tend to his wounds, empty beer bottle in hand, his eyes red, is speech slurred. He mumbles softly to himself for a moment whereupon he realizes that a cloaked presence has perched itself behind him. In one foul, murderous motion, the figure, the figure that is i, plunges his knife deep, deep into the mans heart from behind. Blood spills forth from the wound, splattering the still rolling containers of makeup. I pull my knife slowly from the newly formed cavity in the mans back. He falls, face first, into his victims long forgotten belongings. Lipstick intermingled with blood, blood intermingled with eye-shadow.

"wha-" the man moans

"vengeance..." i say softly to my latest victim, "... vengeance"

Written by Moopig66, story and characters by Moopig66, edited by Micheal Bay for some reason

Should... should i just link to one of the 500,000 articles i can find on the internet about sexisim aginst women... or would that take too long...?

Snip

Snip

Neither of you have ever seen a man hating feminist eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feminists

It was a real group, here are some choice quotes from the wiki if you don't like jumping links

""characterized men as the enemy,"[1] considered "Love" to be "'the response of the victim to the rapist'",[1] and believed that marriage as a "proprietary relationship"[1] and uterine pregnancy would "no longer prevail."[1]"

"" To liberate themselves from such oppressive roles, The Feminists held that the feminist movement must be entirely autonomous from men and eventually came to hold that women should be free of men in their personal lives as well.""

"" The Feminists moved in the direction of advocating matriarchy and developing a "woman's religion", ideas that later came to be known as cultural feminism.""

They disbanded in 1973, BUT..

""Although The Feminists disbanded in 1973, they played an important role in the development of cultural feminism, separatist feminism, and anti-pornography feminism (Barbara Mehrhof later became an organizer for Women Against Pornography)""

They assimilated into the greater feminist movement, and as quoted, shaped quite a bit of feminist theory.

that's an old example, but I hope you meet someone who thinks like this in your future, it's an eye-opening experience for many, IF they don't invoke no true scotsmen as a reactionary defence of course.

And that makes misandry okay because? Are you one of these vengeance feminists?

 

[moopig66]

No, feeling a sense of vindication through the dismantling of another genders reputation is irrational. Passive-aggressively "pointing out" the most minute of idiocies from the voids of the internet in the attempt to prove the you, you too are a victim, that is irrational.

Recognizing that some people hate men is irrational?

Aw, that poor women must of been hurt at some point... sad... she will find a good guy someday. I hope. And thats the same sentiment i feel toward you people, something happened to you or you experienced something abnormal and are now acting out irrationally based on this. One day you will come to terms with it


Hopefully...

Somebody else posted examples of people who hate men (and that's all misandry is, no discrimination needed). But in case that's not enough:

http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2010/10/07/a-rant/

There's also the scum Manifesto.

My favorite part of your response was how it didn't respond to anything!

You know, i live in the northwest, and i think that people are being discriminatory toward me because of that. Its northwestaphobia! Its a thing now, because i said so... see how that dosent work?

And I've never met an astronaut or someone from South American, and yet they still exist.

Yes, lots of things are older than me, like sexism... and homophobia... and racism...

How am i making up definitions?? Have you seen the man going their own way forum?

I have not once in my existence met anyone who hates men, they might not like the power they assert over them, they may not like their self appointed lordship over women, they may even avoid men as much as possible, but they dont hate men. And ive met MANY MANY far left liberals, im in Oregon after all.

Misandry does not mean they're oppressed, now stop making up definitions and especially sotp being a hypocrite.

You honestly think that nobody hates men? Because I can find people who say that they do really freaking easy.

Also
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misandry

The word is probably older than you are. Nobody here made it up.

Well... it does not, we all live in a society and we dont get to make up words to fit our sexist fantasies. It comes from the same mindset that thinks Christians in america are oppressed, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

really... some ad-laden website from the neather is your source...?

Wikipedia is so much better!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry

anyhoo... i bring up my sexuality to shed light upon where my understanding comes from, and because being called a word that, no matter what the internet asserts, makes wavy red lines appear underneath it, is an assertion that would be counter to my orientation.

As well, no actual dictionary has it, or as far as i can find, and Wikipedia is not a dictionary but rather a reference sight, which can define made up words.

I hoped his words of wisdom would rub off on you. Misandry, which makes wavy red lines appear below it as it is not a word... well... isn't a word. I, as a male, do not discriminate against men because they are men... that would be weird considering i BONE THEM! If i was a gay misandrist, it would be very hard to find positional dates considering my hate for them...

1. I don't give the slightest shit where you put your junk and it has no bearing at all on you being a misandrist.

2. For your reading pleasure:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misandry

Are you honestly going to say that firefox is a better source than wikipedia and the dictionary?

Misandry is just the hatred of men, it exists, and it's not a complicated concept. M

 

[Darkmantle]

Ooh, i like that.

Me, alone in the night, adorned in a black silk cape and hood. A knife rests in my hand, hidden from the moons light beneath my cape. I stock a nearby bar, watching, waiting. A women walks out from the depths of the dank bar into the misty night that blankets the street. Her walk is awkward, her demeanor is intoxicated. Behind her walks a gentleman adorned in his most generic of white wife-beaters. His hand grasps her breast. POW! She smacks him across the jaw with her half broken purse, makeup containers shower the street. She walks off, angry and drunk.

The man stumbles toward the curb to tend to his wounds, empty beer bottle in hand, his eyes red, is speech slurred. He mumbles softly to himself for a moment whereupon he realizes that a cloaked presence has perched itself behind him. In one foul, murderous motion, the figure, the figure that is i, plunges his knife deep, deep into the mans heart from behind. Blood spills forth from the wound, splattering the still rolling containers of makeup. I pull my knife slowly from the newly formed cavity in the mans back. He falls, face first, into his victims long forgotten belongings. Lipstick intermingled with blood, blood intermingled with eye-shadow.

"wha-" the man moans

"vengeance..." i say softly to my latest victim, "... vengeance"

Written by Moopig66, story and characters by Moopig66, edited by Micheal Bay for some reason

And that makes misandry okay because? Are you one of these vengeance feminists?

if you read that rant posted by father time, it's basically her fantasy.

And mocking is also not a good way to show respect. Problem with many feminists, don't practice what they preach.

 

[moopig66]

Awww, i worked hard on that short story, it took lots of time! Had to get all the imagery right.

Oh, and i did, im sad for her, something sad happened to her at some point and now shes all sad. Sadness is never good.

Oh, and respect, respect is something i reserve for those who earn it. You, you get nothing of the sort. You are the lowest common denominator in our culture at the moment, you will be remembered along side the likes of slave holders and KKK members come 2100. I would write a lengthy excerpt from a future textbook, but no one would appreciate it... sad

Ooh, i like that.

Me, alone in the night, adorned in a black silk cape and hood. A knife rests in my hand, hidden from the moons light beneath my cape. I stock a nearby bar, watching, waiting. A women walks out from the depths of the dank bar into the misty night that blankets the street. Her walk is awkward, her demeanor is intoxicated. Behind her walks a gentleman adorned in his most generic of white wife-beaters. His hand grasps her breast. POW! She smacks him across the jaw with her half broken purse, makeup containers shower the street. She walks off, angry and drunk.

The man stumbles toward the curb to tend to his wounds, empty beer bottle in hand, his eyes red, is speech slurred. He mumbles softly to himself for a moment whereupon he realizes that a cloaked presence has perched itself behind him. In one foul, murderous motion, the figure, the figure that is i, plunges his knife deep, deep into the mans heart from behind. Blood spills forth from the wound, splattering the still rolling containers of makeup. I pull my knife slowly from the newly formed cavity in the mans back. He falls, face first, into his victims long forgotten belongings. Lipstick intermingled with blood, blood intermingled with eye-shadow.

"wha-" the man moans

"vengeance..." i say softly to my latest victim, "... vengeance"

Written by Moopig66, story and characters by Moopig66, edited by Micheal Bay for some reason

And that makes misandry okay because? Are you one of these vengeance feminists?

if you read that rant posted by father time, it's basically her fantasy.

And mocking is also not a good way to show respect. Problem with many feminists, don't practice what they preach.

 

[Epona]

I don't identify as a feminist, but I do hold the belief that men and women should be treated equally regardless of age, religion or ethnicity and i do believe that it is unfair that women are still paid less than men. Men and women will never be physically equal due to physiological differences, and men and women both can do things that the other gender cannot; but on a political, economic and values standpoint I believe in equality, I am not an activist, especially compared to my ancestor, but I will stand up for womens rights when it comes down to it.

Will you stand up for mens rights?

Do you want equality where selective service is concerned?
Do you want men to be treated equally in family court?
Do you want raped men to be treated with the same sympathy that raped women are?
Do you want advertisers to stop treating men like they are completely incompetent?
Do you want male victims of domestic violence to have shelters to go to and do you want society to take male victims of DV seriously?

If you will only stand up for womens rights, then you do not hold the belief you claim to hold.

 

[Darkmantle]

I strive to break sexist habits that I might have taken up, I watch gender role behaviour closely, and I speak when I think that someone does or says something that is sexistic.

I am not so keen on the worker's rights agenda because I don't see the point in trying to fix a system that ist FUBAR in many other points as well, I am more keen on pointing out individual behaviour or media coverage.

And to all those blathering about misandry:

Yes it exists, and in several cases (like the author of the SCUM Manifesto) it is even linked to psychological conditions. But those are some persons.

Feminist women do not hate men by default. Most just want to do whatever the hell they want without being (verbally) attacked for what they are or fitted into gender roles. The vast majority is hetero or bisexual, enjoys good sex and falls in love with men who are not complete idiots.

Stop using extreme examples to discredit a whole movement.

Oh? A few examples? How about some reputable organizations!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Women%27s_Global_Leadership
http://www.mavaw.org/index2.asp
http://www.sfuwomenctr.ca/faqs.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INCITE!_Women_of_Color_Against_Violence

any organization that claims to try to end domestic violence and then goes on to say they only care about domestic violence against women, is not for equality. Yet many of these organizations and people are not only accepted in the movement, but praised. What am I to think of the movement?

The rates are about 45-55 men erring on the side of over representation, but the gap is closing, especially as men start reporting. We should be giving them help in men's shelters, not giving them scorn as others in this very thread suggest. That's why I don't support feminism.

EDIT: add these disgusting people too

http://www.nomas.org/node/107

 

[likalaruku]

I'm more for gender neutrality, not really down with girly girls or manly men who have to constantly check themselves to see if they're being as feminine or manly as possible at all times to save their image. Apparently Sweden believes that toy makers encourage misogyny, which is taught at an early age by marketing toys to specific genders. http://www.care2.com/causes/end-times-approach-as-swedes-push-gender-neutral-toys.html

I'm aware that there are Feminazis out there that are to feminism what PETA is to animal welfare; the crazy drunk uncle no one wants at the family reunion, the one bad neighbor that makes the whole neighborhood look bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCnmeaoGMA&list=UUjNxszyFPasDdRoD9J6X-sw&index=2&feature=plcp

 

[Darkmantle]

Awww, i worked hard on that short story, it took lots of time! Had to get all the imagery right.

Oh, and i did, im sad for her, something sad happened to her at some point and now shes all sad. Sadness is never good.

Oh, and respect, respect is something i reserve for those who earn it. You, you get nothing of the sort. You are the lowest common denominator in our culture at the moment, you will be remembered along side the likes of slave holders and KKK members come 2100. I would write a lengthy excerpt from a future textbook, but no one would appreciate it... sad

Ooh, i like that.

Me, alone in the night, adorned in a black silk cape and hood. A knife rests in my hand, hidden from the moons light beneath my cape. I stock a nearby bar, watching, waiting. A women walks out from the depths of the dank bar into the misty night that blankets the street. Her walk is awkward, her demeanor is intoxicated. Behind her walks a gentleman adorned in his most generic of white wife-beaters. His hand grasps her breast. POW! She smacks him across the jaw with her half broken purse, makeup containers shower the street. She walks off, angry and drunk.

The man stumbles toward the curb to tend to his wounds, empty beer bottle in hand, his eyes red, is speech slurred. He mumbles softly to himself for a moment whereupon he realizes that a cloaked presence has perched itself behind him. In one foul, murderous motion, the figure, the figure that is i, plunges his knife deep, deep into the mans heart from behind. Blood spills forth from the wound, splattering the still rolling containers of makeup. I pull my knife slowly from the newly formed cavity in the mans back. He falls, face first, into his victims long forgotten belongings. Lipstick intermingled with blood, blood intermingled with eye-shadow.

"wha-" the man moans

"vengeance..." i say softly to my latest victim, "... vengeance"

Written by Moopig66, story and characters by Moopig66, edited by Micheal Bay for some reason

And that makes misandry okay because? Are you one of these vengeance feminists?

if you read that rant posted by father time, it's basically her fantasy.

And mocking is also not a good way to show respect. Problem with many feminists, don't practice what they preach.

classy, comparing me to the KKK, I think Godwin's law needs an expansion. I am nothing of the sort by the way, I support equal rights. Yes for women too, but also for men. I don't exclude gays or anyone else for that matter.

Unlike you, who go out of your way to exclude male victims of violence perpetrated by women, only because it doesn't fit with your narrative.

 

[Master_Pancake]

I am equalist due to the present connotations carried with feminism.

 

[In Search of Username]

I support equality for both sexes, I am a humanist.

Exactly

I call myself humanist as well, many don't understand the term though.

That's because the term has many, MANY different meanings and applications.

Oh? Enlighten me, maybe I'll switch terms if it doesn't mean what I think it does

probably better if everyone dropped labels and just focused on the issues actually...

Well... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism_(disambiguation) Just saying, it's not a term you can just throw out and instantly expect people to know what you mean. Plus there's its status as kind of a meaningless feelgood term for atheists to call their 'religion' when asked. So I'm sure it means what you think it does, but it means a lot of other stuff too, so don't be surprised if people don't understand the term in the way you do.

 

[Darkmantle]

I support equality for both sexes, I am a humanist.

Exactly

I call myself humanist as well, many don't understand the term though.

That's because the term has many, MANY different meanings and applications.

Oh? Enlighten me, maybe I'll switch terms if it doesn't mean what I think it does

probably better if everyone dropped labels and just focused on the issues actually...

Well... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism_(disambiguation) Just saying, it's not a term you can just throw out and instantly expect people to know what you mean. Plus there's its status as kind of a meaningless feelgood term for atheists to call their 'religion' when asked. So I'm sure it means what you think it does, but it means a lot of other stuff too, so don't be surprised if people don't understand the term in the way you do.

Thanks for the info, I'll have to use something else I guess. Or maybe nothing at all. I feel like alot of problems arise when people are more loyal to their labels than actual facts.

 

[Flames66]

That is pretty much my view on religion.

So I guess that means you're a very noncommittal atheist.

If you don't claim belief in a God or Gods, that makes you an atheist. Even if your Agnostic, Ignostic, whatever - anyone who doesn't have faith in the gods is by definition an atheist. That's just what the word means, in the same way feminism means equal gender rights. These things are default positions - they aren't something you have to subscribe to in order to be a part of - in fact you would have to specifically take a position against them not to have those labels.

The point I am making is that, while I believe in equal rights for women, you won't see me out at feminist rallies waving flags. For me, there are issues in the world that are more important, such as the institution of fear and surveillance that is constantly growing is society.

Well I wouldn't be at rallies either but I don't think that's a requirement. And again, having more pressing concerns is not mutually exclusive to caring about equal rights - it's perfectly possible to do both, the latter is just irrelevant to this discussion.

You make an interesting point. On the religion bit, I do not consider myself an atheist because I am undecided about my spiritual beliefs.

As for the other point, I can see where you are coming from, it depends how you define the word.

fem·i·nist
  [fem-uh-nist] Show IPA
adjective Sometimes, fem·i·nis·tic .
1.
advocating social, political, legal, and economic rights for women equal to those of men.
noun
2.
an advocate of such rights.
Dictionary.com


fem·i·nist (fm-nst)
n.
A person whose beliefs and behavior are based on feminism.
adj.
Relating to feminism.
thefreedictionary.com

I tend to think of a feminist being someone who actively advocates feminism, rather than someone who just thinks rights should be equal for everyone.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

I believe in equality for all, but I also believe that most people who call themselves "feminists" are batshit insane and make women look bad. So... I guess you could say I am, but I wouldn't want to be identified as one.