Woah, woah wait. Hold up here. I followed you completely up until your last paragraph. I respect your right to believe in your religion, and really respect your liberal perspective of religion, but are you suggesting that atheists and agnostics are immoral or inhuman?Witty Name Here said:I'm a practicing Roman Catholic, although I personally make it my duty to be more liberal then some of the Ultra Conservative nutters that you see in a lot of other christian religions.
My stance on it is this, Jesus talked more about who you should care about then who you should ostracize from society and treat horribly, he wanted us to love one another and treat others as we want to be treated, I'm pretty sure that he'd be willing to have a pleasant meal with an Athiest or Pagan or even Scientologist and not try to cram christianity down their throats.
I respect Athiestic and Agnostic beliefs (My dad's an agnostic), I can honestly say that both sides need each other, Athiests and Agnostics keep this world from falling into a theocratic crap sack where your rank in society depends on what you choose to believe and wars are waged at the drop of a hat, and Religions keep this world from falling into a "Total Reason" society where things are based more off of results rather then any form of morality or humanity.
I'm an atheist and I have never been indoctrinated into any religion, but I think I'm a very moral person. I try to do what I think is the right thing to do. I obey the rules and the laws and I think that most of the time I'm a kind and caring human being. This also applies to most of my atheist friends. Sure there are some immoral douchebag atheists around, but there are more immoral douchebag religious people than immoral douchebag atheists (not saying that religion breeds immoral douchebags, just that statistically you are a much larger group so there are a higher number of said douchebags.)
I think that morality comes primarily as a societal factor and not so much as a religious one. Yes religion tends to reflect current societal morals, but no, they are not the source of them. At all. In fact, they tend to be slower at adopting societal morals than most of society. Morality, in my opinion, comes out of the necessity of living with other people, and if you treated every other human being like dirt, then society as a whole would not function. We need a certain level of respect to function as a society and these are taught to children by society, independentely of religion.
anyway, I respect your right to believe what you want about your religion, but I strongly disagree that religion is crucial to developing morality.