Poll: Deadliest Warrior, Crap and Poor-Taste?

[orangeban]

While watching a video of an IRA bombing (which killed civilians) the main host went, "WOW, HARDCORE!"

Thoughts on this? Have I been reasonable?

Yes and no.

While I don't know the rest of your posting history, I imagine that at least once or twice you've played a game (you're at the Escapist afterall). And I'd be willing to put some money down on the fact that you have done something like shoot a person in one of these games you've played. Or perhaps seen a friend playing a game and said something along the lines of "Wow; Hardcore!" If such is the case, then I'm afraid this post smacks a little bit of hypocrisy. You'll probably counter "but that was a video game" or "it wasn't a civilian being shot/maimed/killed" or "it wasn't committed by a terrorist." I think the difference isn't all that different. Deadliest is an entertainment project. Video games are entertainment products. Perhaps the more critical question is "why are we entertained by sensationalized killing".

Hmm. Hmmmmm. Hmmmmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Alright, thought of an answer. My problem here is I think that the host of the show should have shown restraint. He should of thought, "No, that would be a tactless thing to do." and I'm shocked by something that most people would of had the common sense not to say. Good response though.

 

[ChocoFace]

I agree. If you are to watch the show, this is what it's good for. *guy who thinks he's an ancient warrior swings a stick at a dummy and it's head falls off* Hostuuuude! Doctor: Yeah you can see here his head fell off. Opponent: Yeah but a real Conquistador would have dodged it, he's the slickest dude in the world! Other guy: Nuh uhhh! Opponent: yuu huhhh!
You've now seen every episode.

mind=blown.

You've saved me valuable hours of my life.

 

[Jakub324]

It's entertaining in a retarded way, but the game is really, undeniably fun and, if possible, even stupider.

 

[jonyboy13]

You should've seen the Shaolin vs Maori, Maori won. I laughed my ass off for hours and hours. It's really pathetic, especially since it tries to be so real and historical.

What's with the crap Captcha? I miss the fun one:<

 

[Lenin211]

The show is not perfect, its tests are not consistent. But it is fun to watch. I don't see why a rant needs to be directed at it.

 

[Lord_Ascendant]

Considering Spike's target audience, I'm not surprised really. I think you're just thinking about it too much. Yeah it's rather stupid, but it's the same for pretty much everything on Spike. It's there for entertainment first, scientific facts and whatnot, like, 4th or something.

Yeah your being reasonable, but it's kind of wasted energy. It's Spike, it's kind of what they do.

That being said, I still watch it. I kind of like the corny action-scenes.

^^^
This.

/thread perhaps??

 

[TheDooD]

The show isn't very accurate as far as results go, and it's incredibly biased towards America. Have you seen America lose a face-off a single time? No, because this is 'Mericuhhh!!!!!!

The FBI should have lost, and the CIA should have lost. Everybody knows tasers don't work for shit against moving targets behind cover, it's just bullshit. And on the latter episode, the way they won was pure shit, the KGB had much better gadgets.

I've seen American units lose loads of times. SWAT vs GSG9 (I think that was the matchup), Special FOrces vs Spetsznas etc

They can't let US lose to everybody (eventhough imo we lost each time) the show would have been cancelled. I saw the rage on the Spike forums when the Spetsnez beat the Special Forces. If the streak kept going they might have tossed up the bias card.

 

[Steve Butts]

You're reading far, far, far too much into it. The show is light entertainment, not factual documentary. Don't take it seriously.

But it pretends to be serious and factual, it acts like it is hard science. Maybe I am reading to much into it, but maybe it should make it clearer that it is light entertainment.

Yes, but we're also talking about a medium where "Ice Road Truckers" and "Ancient Aliens" qualify to be on the History Channel. I think it's a valid criticism.

 

[Acenamedvlad]

American Soldiers were terrorists in the battle for independence... I think that is where the sympathy is from.

 

[orangeban]

You're reading far, far, far too much into it. The show is light entertainment, not factual documentary. Don't take it seriously.

But it pretends to be serious and factual, it acts like it is hard science. Maybe I am reading to much into it, but maybe it should make it clearer that it is light entertainment.

Yes, but we're also talking about a medium where "Ice Road Truckers" and "Ancient Aliens" qualify to be on the History Channel. I think it's a valid criticism.

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Those are shows?
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I don't even know what to think any more.

 

[orangeban]

Now, I say that the IRA vs Taliban episode was in poor taste for a few reasons. Firstly because according to the show the IRA (Irish Republican Army, a group of terrorists trying to make Northern Ireland part of the Republic of Ireland) are "freedom fighters" fighting for "the freedom of Ireland". The show is incredibly sympathetic to them (but not to the Taliban of course) despite the fact that the IRA were terrorists, who killed innocents. You may say why worry, but I say that there is a strange amount of IRA sympathism in America already, and while people are entitled to opinions, I want people clear that the IRA are terrorists, not freedom fighters, not oppresed liberators.

The other reason is about an event that happened for a split second, but disgusted me. While watching a video of an IRA bombing (which killed civilians) the main host went, "WOW, HARDCORE!" I wonder what he did when he watched the videos of 9/11, did he say HARDCORE then? Seriously, what a moment of utter tastelessness.

I don't want to comment too much on this because I already thought the same as you, but I will say that this is why the rest of the World isn't sympathetic about 9/11. The US liked the IRA a lot, enough to be one of the biggest contributors to their funding and those citizens that donated money were paying for bombs and bullets to kill innocents. Course, after the towers fell down everyone is all terrorism is a scourge' and 'war on terror', conveniently forgetting that they paid money to blast children to pieces for the right to drink green milkshakes and play up their 1/16th Irishness.

I hope it was worth it.

I wouldn't say I'm not sympathetic about 9/11, but still... this.

"Money for The cause, Brothers! Money for The Cause! you don't need all that drinking money just to celebrate Saint Patrick's day, so why not stuff a few notes into my rattling tin! Remember, when the Taliban blows up innocent people it's a heinous crime, but when your distant relatives blow up blameless bystanders, they're fighting to free themselves from British rule in the defense of a nation they were only born in through sheer chance! hooray!"

Also, Deadliest Warrior-related: why do the guys who claim to be total badasses always seem to be complete and utter dickheads? I seriously doubt any true professional is going to strut around, bragging and arguing because he's placed all his faith in the outcome of a notoriously idiotic virtual fight just to prove how big his dick is. Where the hell do they find these guys, and who decided to let them near deadly weapons?

If you look into it, most of the "experts" turn out to be actors or stuntmen or other related crap. Though you can't fault the doctor who brings such expert knowledge as the fact that a cannon ball tearing straight through your torso would indeed kill you. Thousands of dollars of medical school, totally worth it.

 

[TheCrapMaster]

Its pretty much crap but i enjoy it because of it. The bad scripten/improvised bad mouthing of the opposite sides and etc. Like my favorit is when they match a indian against...ehm someone and the indian elder is SO bad at improvised trash talk that its hilarious.
And hell its fun when they start flinging their weapons at blood filled target dummies + the fights at the end are entertaining. But the idea itself where they are supposed to se who is the strongest of two different warriors is faulty because of the reasons you mentioned.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Considering Spike's target audience, I'm not surprised really. I think you're just thinking about it too much. Yeah it's rather stupid, but it's the same for pretty much everything on Spike. It's there for entertainment first, scientific facts and whatnot, like, 4th or something.

Yeah your being reasonable, but it's kind of wasted energy. It's Spike, it's kind of what they do.

That being said, I still watch it. I kind of like the corny action-scenes.

This. Most of the show is pseudoscientific bullshit. But I get to see various weapons demolish things and a well put together fight scene at the end of the show. And the narrator is awesome.

 

[Sovvolf]

Their logic is silly, their outcomes are stupid and their grasp on history is frightening and hilarious at the same time. However, I sort of enjoy it... David Whenam narrates it which is awesome (under the thin guise of Drew Sky) and I sort of enjoy watching pigs get shot and cut to pieces. I also think the choreography and the filming of the battle at the end is pretty entertaining.

However from what I hear, their history is improving... logic however... still down in the batshit insane area.

 

[Flyingchciken93]

They only compare weapons, never tactics, terrain or the intented enemies of the warriors weapons.

I have seen them compare tactics and weapons on every episode ive seen.

Now, I say that the IRA vs Taliban episode was in poor taste for a few reasons. Firstly because according to the show the IRA (Irish Republican Army, a group of terrorists trying to make Northern Ireland part of the Republic of Ireland) are "freedom fighters" fighting for "the freedom of Ireland". The show is incredibly sympathetic to them (but not to the Taliban of course) despite the fact that the IRA were terrorists, who killed innocents.

In fairness the IRA never did anything to america so why should they be treated the same as the taliban(who have done things to americans) by americans.

I want people clear that the IRA are terrorists, not freedom fighters, not oppresed liberators.[/qoute]

You obviously have none of the facts if thats what you think.

[qoute=]The other reason is about an event that happened for a split second, but disgusted me. While watching a video of an IRA bombing (which killed civilians) the main host went, "WOW, HARDCORE!"qoute]

That can be dismissed as a reaction to the explosion in awe not praise.

Btw qoute fail but nvm

 

[DSK-]

The episode that made me cringe and shout at my TV was the one that had a Spartan vs Ninja. The Spartan won because the Ninja attacked head on.

*shakes head at being reminded of this episode*

 

[captaincabbage]

You're reading far, far, far too much into it. The show is light entertainment, not factual documentary. Don't take it seriously.

Yeah, you're pretty much 100% right here.

OT: It's just stupid fun, so just relax and enjoy a dramatization of a ninja fighting a spartan.

Also, holy fuck some of those swords just fuck your shit up. It's a shame that the recently released game I heard about is apparently so shitty, because it could have been epic with a little (okay a lot) more polish.

 

[Undead Dragon King]

If you don't like the show, don't watch it. I enjoy it, it's like Soul Calibur (transcending history and the world), only more enjoyable to watch and listen to.

 

[Sovvolf]

If you don't like the show, don't watch it. I enjoy it, it's like Soul Calibur (transcending history and the world), only more enjoyable to watch and listen to.

Theres a big difference between not liking it and not being entertained by it . I don't like the show but I'm highly entertained by it... only for the wrong reasons. I'm one of those sad people who like to watch things he hates just to rant about it....

That and its always fun to see pigs and things getting shot, blown up and cut in half by an assortment of weaponry. Its just the logic and the history* they come up with that is god awful. However thats what is fun to rant about, specially with a friend.

*its basically Hollywood history... Which I wouldn't complain about if this show wasn't trying to sell its self off as historically accurate.

 

[Nayr]

I actually like watching it, seeing different weapons from different times. Sure the hosts are a little insufferable but what grinds my gears are the "weapons experts". They get so aggressive over a made up fight, it's embarassing to watch.

Especially when the SWAT vs GSG9, where the Germans were so mild mannered and calm and the SWAT guys were such cocky d bags. I felt bad for the gsg9 guys. It's a hypothetical fight, and while I think the concept is kind of cool the people who show off the weapons are so aggressive it's sad.

Also who the hell thinks you can fairly match a pirate against a tutonic knight? He has a god damn gun!