Instant kill knives are fine, but you should have to draw your knife beforehand, not just 'AHHH GET AWAY FROM ME!' panic button knife like it is in CoD.
Poll: Do instant-kill knives/melee need to go?
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Except that you need to get up close to someone and we're talking about a genre that, by definition, involves every enemy having guns.Major Tom said:
If you're knifed in an FPS, it's pretty much always your own fault.
Insta-kill knife can work, as long as the mechanics of it aren't wonky. (I'm looking at you Black Ops)
There is no reason for the lunge, why does it work that way?
I've started playing reach again, and realized how much more fun it is.
There is no reason for the lunge, why does it work that way?
I've started playing reach again, and realized how much more fun it is.
Anyone who thinks that insta-kill knives aren't fun AT ALL are missing the bigger picture...
When my friends and I play CoD 4 over the LAN, we always make time for a match in a really enclosed area where the only weapon allowed is the knife. Conventions breaks down, gameplay rhetorics are thrown out the window, hilarity ensues. The sight of armed elite military commandos running around playing tag evokes memories of checkpoint races in Midtown Madness...
When my friends and I play CoD 4 over the LAN, we always make time for a match in a really enclosed area where the only weapon allowed is the knife. Conventions breaks down, gameplay rhetorics are thrown out the window, hilarity ensues. The sight of armed elite military commandos running around playing tag evokes memories of checkpoint races in Midtown Madness...
While it is annoying at times to miss an easier melee stab, this.Tdc2182 said:
Not to mention the fact that when you knife someone in Bad Company, it feels like a great accomplishment. The dog tags only add to the value of each one, and looking over the list of names I have because of them brings a certain sense of pride.
There's hardly anything more satisfying then creeping up behind a squad of snipers in that game, each just staring down their scopes instead of looking around, and being able to knife every single one of them before they realize what's going on.
But in many of those games you have ways of seeing enemies around corners (UAVs for instance), teammates who can potentially help flank enemies, and buffs of your own. I'm not saying that knife attacks aren't win buttons in certain situations, what I'm saying is that getting into those situations in the first place is the problem.Major Tom said:
Though I actually agree that a counter would be nice, the problem is that it would be really, really hard to make a counter that gave a reasonable chance at successfully avoiding death without making knife attacks pointlessly easy to defend against. Putting in a way to preemptively block rather than counter would perhaps work to preserve the surprise utility though.
Of all of the melee attacks, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I think Halo probably does the best job. Enough damage to justify its use over guns in close-up firefights and you can still get an instant kill for surprising someone.
CoDs knifing system is the only one i ever liked, and think is OP. I think if you can close in or sneak up on someone, they deserve the insta kill
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The only insta-kill should be from behind, and should have a long animation to make it a dangerous prospect for the one doing the melee.
I also think the melee button should be changed into a smash with the gun, and no knife. but that is mostly for COD.
The only insta-kill should be from behind, and should have a long animation to make it a dangerous prospect for the one doing the melee.
I also think the melee button should be changed into a smash with the gun, and no knife. but that is mostly for COD.
No melee is a vital part of FPS games now. The first person to melee in any situation, whether it be a distorted aim or beaten to the floor is usually going to be the victor so why waste time with making them shoot them after for the sake of bare minimum realism?
Having to shoot them after or beat them several times slows the pace of the game and ultimately makes it a worse experience. If you've ever played a 'one in the chamber' wager match you know how important being good with you knife is and how important the connection quality is. You'll also know that missing the first knife is a big panic from then on. You have multiple 'oh knifed you, oh wait missed' moments because it doesn't work all that well. Having to do that over and over would make for a horrific game.
Compared to the alternative messy, clunky fist fights you guys are suggesting, instant knife kills are far superior for the pace and enjoyment the game brings.
Having to shoot them after or beat them several times slows the pace of the game and ultimately makes it a worse experience. If you've ever played a 'one in the chamber' wager match you know how important being good with you knife is and how important the connection quality is. You'll also know that missing the first knife is a big panic from then on. You have multiple 'oh knifed you, oh wait missed' moments because it doesn't work all that well. Having to do that over and over would make for a horrific game.
Compared to the alternative messy, clunky fist fights you guys are suggesting, instant knife kills are far superior for the pace and enjoyment the game brings.
Oh me and my mates used to do that all the time on MW2. It was hilarious to see two guys swap positions with simultaneous lunges and then one other to come in an take both out. If you managed to jump from the highest point of the map onto a guy and knife him you'd 'creeded' him. The fun we had was unreal.Raiyan 1.0 said:
I like how Left4Dead does it, how it stumbles the zombies and pushes them back. Conversely, I also like it as a one hit kill, but I think it depends on the game I'm playing. If I had to choose a universal melee system though, it would Left4Dead's melee, but also if you melee someone from behind, it's a one hit kill.Hakeem said:
this, i think with games like call of duty you should HAVE to have it set as a tac knife setup up and have to get a headshot knife for it to be considered a one hit kill, otherwise if they get some kind of body shot they should just get stunned a little bit from it for the first hit.LawlessSquirrel said:
I like the Halo system. Melees take two hits to kill unless shields are down or you get the other guy from behind for the assassination.
I'd say go the old Battlefield route - You have to switch to the knife before you can use it. So an element of stealth is involved if you don't want the other guy to turn around and shoot you in the face. It should be about skill, not reactions.
And if you've run out of ammo and sprint screaming towards an enemy tank, a knife may be all you need!
And if you've run out of ammo and sprint screaming towards an enemy tank, a knife may be all you need!
I think it should remain an insta-kill, but a bit more cinematic like in HALO: Reach. The character would deliberately aim at an artery/nerve on his own and the whole process would take 5 seconds. A little bit more balanced. But personally I believe that COD should rebalance it's entire scheme considering all the meat-cunts playing nowadays.
