Just because you need one shot doesn't mean you don't need insurance, just in case. I mean, you don't drive without a seatbelt because you don't expect to crash and die horribly.DtDust said:
Poll: Does the use of a sniper rifle excuse camping?
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If youve got the balls to stay in a place after the chance that someone knows where you are, then by all means go ahead and set up a tent and campfire, but if you move around after each shot/kill, I wouldn't consider it really camping. I love sniping in most games so I guess I do camp a bit, but I dont really play online so the A.I players i play against generally don't understand the concept, so it often gets tedious - exept timesplitters: future perfect, the bots in that know how to snipe.
With regards to the poll, I believe its acceptable with any weopon, exept those that can shoot through solid walls (e.g Rail gun in Red Faction II, or that gun in Timespliiters whose name I can't remember)
With regards to the poll, I believe its acceptable with any weopon, exept those that can shoot through solid walls (e.g Rail gun in Red Faction II, or that gun in Timespliiters whose name I can't remember)
I think it's a bunch of crap! I hate spawning in, taking 5 steps and then have a sniper bullet sail through my frontal lobe. If it happens once or twice I'll just chalk it up to bad luck or the wrong place at the wrong time; but if it happens like 5 or more times, then I start getting pissed.
Also, I thought they had fixed the spawn problem of being spawned in and then someone walks around the corner and shoots you in the face/in the back. This can be just as annoying as camping if not more annoying.
Also, I thought they had fixed the spawn problem of being spawned in and then someone walks around the corner and shoots you in the face/in the back. This can be just as annoying as camping if not more annoying.
I don't think it's the weapon that shoudl determine whether it's a cool strat or a pussy move to camp, but the map and circumstances.
If it's free for all and you don't have a team it's fine.
if you do have a team on the other hand it can be both a good and a bad thing
If you hide behind some boxes in the middle of nowhere, where theres a slim chance that 1 maybe 2 enemies will pass through in the next 10 mins, you're more or less removing yourself form the game, reducing your teams number of effective players by 1.
If your team has an objective, your camping should be beneficial to the team, lets take a counter strike example.
Its a bombs map, you're CT and camp one of the bomb sites, you're defending the bomb site, and you might as well camp since the terrorists will have to go there in order to win anyways. good move
It's a bomb map, you're a terrorist and camp your spawn area. You're basicly sitting ion a place where the CT's have nothing to do, so you're wasting your time and is useless to your team and your teams goal. bad move.
Switch bomb map with hostage map, and it's reverse roles for Terrosists and counter terrorists.
I'd whine about campers if they're on my team and beeing useless. If someone on the other team camps i've got no reason to whine, cause either he's beeing useless to his team, which is beneficial for me OR he's doing good and killing me and my mates, in which case he's playing well.
I can't stand peopel who whine about campers killing them, honestly, if you can't stand beeing killed, don't play FPS. The game is the same for everyone, so camping isn't a n00b tactic. It's as annoying to ehar as when people whine about specific weapons/pers.
"AWP is for n00bs (cause i die to it all the time QQ"
"Martyrdom is faggy" "Quit using that n00b tube u retard" "juggernaugt is IMBA whine whine"whine"
If you can't stand the fact that people play betetr than you, and make good use of the tools/tactics the game/map has tp offer, stop playing online and play against retarded-level bots instead.
If it's free for all and you don't have a team it's fine.
if you do have a team on the other hand it can be both a good and a bad thing
If you hide behind some boxes in the middle of nowhere, where theres a slim chance that 1 maybe 2 enemies will pass through in the next 10 mins, you're more or less removing yourself form the game, reducing your teams number of effective players by 1.
If your team has an objective, your camping should be beneficial to the team, lets take a counter strike example.
Its a bombs map, you're CT and camp one of the bomb sites, you're defending the bomb site, and you might as well camp since the terrorists will have to go there in order to win anyways. good move
It's a bomb map, you're a terrorist and camp your spawn area. You're basicly sitting ion a place where the CT's have nothing to do, so you're wasting your time and is useless to your team and your teams goal. bad move.
Switch bomb map with hostage map, and it's reverse roles for Terrosists and counter terrorists.
I'd whine about campers if they're on my team and beeing useless. If someone on the other team camps i've got no reason to whine, cause either he's beeing useless to his team, which is beneficial for me OR he's doing good and killing me and my mates, in which case he's playing well.
I can't stand peopel who whine about campers killing them, honestly, if you can't stand beeing killed, don't play FPS. The game is the same for everyone, so camping isn't a n00b tactic. It's as annoying to ehar as when people whine about specific weapons/pers.
"AWP is for n00bs (cause i die to it all the time QQ"
"Martyrdom is faggy" "Quit using that n00b tube u retard" "juggernaugt is IMBA whine whine"whine"
If you can't stand the fact that people play betetr than you, and make good use of the tools/tactics the game/map has tp offer, stop playing online and play against retarded-level bots instead.
I've only used the bolt action snipers in COD4 and destroyed other teams WHILE moving.Shaoken said:
As to your argument about the point of snipers camping to take the shot, that is false.
Ever read the book SHOOTER by a USMC sniper? (can't find it to find his name) In it, he talks about how that kind of thinking screwed up snipers. Modern War moves way too fast to have snipers camp as support. He was in charge of snipers during a military exercise, PROMET, back in 2001. He was told that the snipers were to be the static things people generally assume they are, and he said fuck that. So he designed the plan to have highly mobile (aka using 4x4's and stuff) snipers to wreck the enemy. In fact, they destroyed everyone so bad that the teams had to swap the locations of their snipers, "kill them" then respawn everyone they had killed in order for the exercise to be run 'correctly'.
As for the COD4 mission, that was an assassination. I can't think of a reason why you would run into his base when you know exactly where and when he's going to be there.
The problem with camping in games is that it's extremely ridiculous when you get screwed over 5 times in a row because the guy has a sight line thats 5 degrees wide, watching the spawn point/corner/hallway/etc where he just nudges slightly to get a head shot, and he's almost completely invisible. The only good thing about video game snipers is they don't move after every shot like they should.
As for saying that bolt action is better or worse than automatic, well in games they generally make up for it by being significantly more powerful. Besides, you act like it's hard to be accurate. If I can burst people across the map using any assault rifle, you can accurately hit in the torso/head with a sniper rifle regardless of range. The only disadvantage that a sniper has very inaccurate hip fire... Which is why you should have a glock or usp/m9. A camping sniper is a lazy sniper.
As others said; dont spawn camp.
Otherwise, camping is fine; you give up your mobility to be able to shoot better. If you do it wrong, you become predictable and someone will take you out... or simply avoid you. And since you camp in a fixed location, you arent likely to help on the frontlines when your team needs it.
But you might stall the opposition when they run into you.
Its just a tactic like any other. Use it wrong and you arent helping your team.
Otherwise, camping is fine; you give up your mobility to be able to shoot better. If you do it wrong, you become predictable and someone will take you out... or simply avoid you. And since you camp in a fixed location, you arent likely to help on the frontlines when your team needs it.
But you might stall the opposition when they run into you.
Its just a tactic like any other. Use it wrong and you arent helping your team.
I'm of two minds with this. On one hand, camping with snipers is probably the most effective way to use them. Look at CoD (4 onwards) for instance, they made the snipers have enormous crosshairs (no-scopes are basically luck), so you have to stop moving and scope in to hit people. However, I cannot stand people who stand in a blind corner for the sole purpose of shotgunning the random player who runs right by them.
So in short:
camping with sniper -> good
camping for the sole purpose of getting cheap kills -> bad
So in short:
camping with sniper -> good
camping for the sole purpose of getting cheap kills -> bad
Camping is fine by me (spawn camping isn't camping, it's a form of cheating). Some of us are not very good at 1st person shooters, and camping is the only way we get kills. Also, it provides a defensive function that is required, in my opinion, in many games modes like "capture the flag."
I'm not big on camping. As a sniper I take a shot, then go to a new postition(I know I spelled that wrong)
None. But then, I have only thought camping was justified in the old Battlefield 2 days on the giant maps like on Kubra Dam. Where people would sit up on the massive cranes and scaffolding to spot enemies for Squad Leaders or the Commander or to just pick off enemies.
It was great fun in that you felt like you were alone up there- or whenever you found a secluded area in those massive games. Also ramped up the anxiety if you went through an area you knew was going to have a bunch of snipers in...
I really liked that game
It was great fun in that you felt like you were alone up there- or whenever you found a secluded area in those massive games. Also ramped up the anxiety if you went through an area you knew was going to have a bunch of snipers in...
I really liked that game
Camping gets me very angry, and it doesn't matter what weapon you use.
But I will admit it is a legitmate strategy, just a fucking annoying one.
But I will admit it is a legitmate strategy, just a fucking annoying one.
Retarded argument is retarded.Donnyp said:
That is, unless you're looking to erase the baseline for any and all games ever made that are even remotely like Modern Warfare.
That, however, I can agree with. I mean, I still think the kind of 'camping' you describe is a valid strategy, but it'd take the fun out of sniping for me personally.Donnyp said:
Theres a difference between camping & holding down a spot/covering ur team.
Camping is just hiding in a one spot close 2 ur enemy an killing everyone that comes by just spawned or not an ur team mates are running round, admit it pisses everyone off.
Holding Down/covering: This is for team games an its self explanatory, but unlike camping you don't spawn kill, its just cheap.
Snipers: obviously u you cant run around with a sniper trying 2 use it as a SMG or rifle unless ur a GOD at no scoping then goo you lol, far as im know a snipers pistol should be for when he needs too move posts when alone.
Camping is just hiding in a one spot close 2 ur enemy an killing everyone that comes by just spawned or not an ur team mates are running round, admit it pisses everyone off.
Holding Down/covering: This is for team games an its self explanatory, but unlike camping you don't spawn kill, its just cheap.
Snipers: obviously u you cant run around with a sniper trying 2 use it as a SMG or rifle unless ur a GOD at no scoping then goo you lol, far as im know a snipers pistol should be for when he needs too move posts when alone.
Camping is a legitimate strategy. It's not the campers fault that his opponents are too god damn retarded to flush him out.
Having said that, any smart sniper is going to only take a few shots from one spot before moving so that he/she doesn't get counter-sniped or forcibly removed with a hand grenade.
Having said that, any smart sniper is going to only take a few shots from one spot before moving so that he/she doesn't get counter-sniped or forcibly removed with a hand grenade.