Poll: Mindless hatred for the Xbone?

[benvorbeck]

Yeah sure, the inability to share games IS bad. The possibility of the "big brother is watching you" scenario IS bad. The constant internet requirements IS a low blow.

However, is no one out there trying to find any bright-spots in this mouldering black hole of a topic? Or is everyone simply going with the flow regarding the Xbone and hopping on the FACK TEH BAWKZ bandwagon because they can't be bothered to make their own opinion?

I mean, I don't like the Xbone ( And I own an extremely worn out white 360 ) , but don't you think all this mindless hatred is going a bit far?

Every forum I wonder on, heck nevermind forums, even SOCIAL MEDIA is choked up with tens of thousands of horrible meme jokes berating the Xbone.

So do people genuinely hate the Xbone that horribly? Or are they simply too lazy to make their own opinion and go from there? Nothing is completely bad , that is the bias talking.

There are no options in the poll for ps3 lovers that dont like xbox anyway... is this poll only for xbox fans/customers?

 

[Eric the Orange]

Does anyone actually do that? Like hate things just because others hate them? I guess maybe peer pressure, but you don't really get that on online forums, it's more of a "in person" thing.

 

[rob_simple]

There's a difference between mindless bandwagon jumping and general consensus.

Sometimes a bad idea is just a bad idea, personally I'm just glad that for once the internet seems to be able to collectively agree on something.

Hell, even my flatmate who has no interest in gaming and doesn't understand when I get pissed off over things like Sim City thinks what Microsoft are doing is fucking bonkers.

 

[bug_of_war]

Yeah sure, the inability to share games IS bad. The possibility of the "big brother is watching you" scenario IS bad. The constant internet requirements IS a low blow.

However, is no one out there trying to find any bright-spots in this mouldering black hole of a topic? Or is everyone simply going with the flow regarding the Xbone and hopping on the FACK TEH BAWKZ bandwagon because they can't be bothered to make their own opinion?

I mean, I don't like the Xbone ( And I own an extremely worn out white 360 ) , but don't you think all this mindless hatred is going a bit far?

Every forum I wonder on, heck nevermind forums, even SOCIAL MEDIA is choked up with tens of thousands of horrible meme jokes berating the Xbone.

So do people genuinely hate the Xbone that horribly? Or are they simply too lazy to make their own opinion and go from there? Nothing is completely bad , that is the bias talking.

The Xbox One is not a bad console, it does have some good features, however not everyone can use those features, that's the main issue. It doesn't matter how good a console is, if you can't use all it's features, then it's a poor console for you. I am fully aware that the Xbox One is more capable than the 360, but I do no need/can't even use the features that are coming with it, and when PS4 is cheaper and has none of the features that make the Xbox One undesirable for me, you can bet that I'm not going to want the Xbox One.

Take what I just said, and apply that to lets say...40% of 20 countries population, because that is literally the reason why the Xbox One is getting bad flack. While I can't speak for everyone, I can speak for myself, and I am saying to you the reason I am not talking about the Xbox One's good features is because I cannot use most of them and there for they are not of worth to me.

I don't hate the Xbox One, I just don't want it because it doesn't suit my needs.

 

[AuronFtw]

The poll sums it up. It's not mindless hatred - it's exactly the opposite. The hatred flows BECAUSE we have minds, and we can see a cock aimed at our eye sockets and have no intention of letting it run its course.

Mindless would be ignoring all the flaws in an attempt to weakly rationalize losing all your rights as a consumer and giving Microsoft tacit permission to continue fucking you in the ear. The DRM on the Xbone isn't for your benefit; it's for theirs. At that point, you can't just ignore it and try to look for "the silver lining." A subway sandwich with a turd in it still has tomatoes, lettuce, and meat; but are you really going to eat it and ignore the turd?

 

[Lictor Face]

Oh no, a company goofed and some people aren't happy. We should do Microsofts marketing for them due to that because....

...because!

Even the Nazis, for all the abominations they have done

You know the defenders are desperate when they try to use Nazi comparisons to pretend Microsoft is unfairly treated.

That is funny because you quoted only part of the sentence. This means

1. You didn't recognise that the message was regarding the "Always a silver lining" point. ( Which pretty much every poster on this thread has recognised )
2. You just don't care.
3.The place you grew up did not teach you how to read complete sentences.

 

[BQE]

I'm curious if anybody has looked at the numbers yet. I remember seeing somewhere that pre-owned sales were 'within projection' not too long ago...

I keep getting this sinking feeling that, though there is a vast amount of hate and ire levied against the xbox one, and for very good undeniable reason, the system is going to sell enough to be largely profitable.

Microsoft seems too... Confident. They haven't backpedaled or acted insincere. They seem to be whole-hog for their plan, as insane and off kilter it is to us.

So, my only conclusion is that somebody is mistaken. It may be US, and that scares the crap outa me. That, somehow, there are enough apathetic, careless and thoughtless people who are going to buy the xbone out of brand loyalty or true indifference to the proposed flaws.

Gamers the world over have taken a lot of injustice over the year and taken it glady that I just CAN'T shake this foreboding. I feel that the gaming industry is coming to a tipping point, either in favor of gamers or corporations, and it scares me to think that the corporations might win.

Here's the thing though, I think they might be feeling what your feeling and be sorely mistaken. They are hamstringing so many potential sales out of the gate. Just think of the global policy at the moment; 21 countries? Boasted TV features holding absolutely zero appeal for foreign folks? Only allowing a particular demographic to get the most out of an already incredibly restrictive device?

I think that they believe that this imaginary demographic they are appealing to will outweigh (by far) all of the people they are blatantly casting away and I think they will be in for a rude awakening.

 

[Talvrae]

For me the biguest thing is the Kinnect requirement coupled with the online requirement.

IT SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!!
The potential on how much Microsoft could spy us with that is mindnumbering, i refuse to have a kinnect in my home, plaine and simple, that things will watch everyone in the house no matter what when it's on and you have no control what it will do with that information

 

[O maestre]

They have fucked up their reputation so badly now that the internet is going to hate them blindly no matter what they do. I think it is legitimate to consider that the Xbone is treating game ownership as more of a licensing deal rather then actual product ownership. However if someone does not have any objections to that they should buy whatever they want. M$ f'ed up their PR and are now facing the consequences no matter how good their product is. If they had spent a bit more time trying to ease the idea on the gaming public and not be massive dicks to their consumers they might have gotten away with it.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

You can tell this thread is written by a teen. There's nothing "mindless" about the anger directed at MS for the XB3. And it's anger, not hatred. Anger, maybe disappointment. Like hatred, I'm sure they both lead to the dark side, but there's a difference. Anyone who has genuine hatred for the company or its forthcoming new console has issues that ought to be discussed with a mental health professional.

BTW, why does this need to be it's own thread when there are already plenty of others discussing this exact same thing?

 

[Lictor Face]

*puts on hipster glasses*

I thought Microsoft could go fuck themselves before it was cool. And I gotta love threads that start like this. "Your all just following the herd like mindless sheep! It totally has nothing to do with the fact that a lot like minded people visit this site! My opinion is better because it's unique!"

And no, it's not extreme. Microsoft is trying to steer the gaming industry into a direction where publishers have all the power to fuck us over. I'm not okay with that. Fuck Microsoft, I want them to fail. Gee I came up with that all by myself. I must be a special free thinker

Edit: also, I see that xb1 had some good ideas like their cloud library. It doesn't matter. Microsoft only added that shit to control their customers. Nuff said

The way I see it, the Xbone ban of used games is a plus for publishers. The boost from the sales could be used to prop up good discounts ( Similar to Steam , which i THINK does not support used games for the current generation of games at least [Dishonored and Bioshock Infinite come to mind] )

Besides, we are the consumers. Gamers are literally the sole providence of the gaming industry ( Excluding bigger and wider conglomerates like microsoft and pointing towards more indie developers ). If we want to bypass the act of paying money but still play games , we are essentially sticking the finger to the gaming industry (which can't do a thing). I don't blame producers for sharing microsoft's view. Gaming is a consumer dominated industry which is (sort of) calling the shots. Producers just churn out relevant content and hope people buy it.

If the producers are able to earn more money, they have more funding to produce more projects. Right now game developing is delicate ( Heck THQ, after a long and illustrious career in the game industry, pretty much went bust after Homefront ). You cant really blame the producers for this, since they are getting the short end of the stick.

All opinions are more or less unique. There is no "better" opinion because all of them are still valuable.

Also that entire post reeks of bias. And bias = unreliable.

So you're going with the "used games are as bad as piracy" and "if used games didn't exist, and publishers had zero competition, they would decrease prices out of the goodness of their heart, despite almost zero instances in business history of a company with a monopoly making things BETTER for their customers."?

Do you know why Steam has such good deals?

BECAUSE THEY HAVE COMPETITION. Pirates steal competition. GoG and other media outlets offer deals. They lower prices in order to make themselves the most attractive option in a competitive market.

Publishers compete with each other. Proof of this is easily seen with the battlefield and COD franchises ( Ok maybe not the best of examples but its quite obvious I think )

Consoles compete with each other, and to an extent, their exclusives.

Oh the monopoly thing is definitely true, look at EA. The problem is, not all publishers are EA-like. Some are small and produce creative and good games ( Neocore comes to mind ) while others cater to niche audiences but still produce good games overall ( Relic and perhaps THQ before they went bust )

The big ones are too big to even bother about the damage piracy/used games could do to their sales. Small ones are highly at risk however. I am going to reiterate the point of dear, deceased THQ. A many year legacy broken by ONE game ( Homefront, maybe that botched up dark millenium project too ). If that doesn't show how delicate a publisher's position is, I'm not sure what will. If publishers had more breathing room ( and not till the extent of the one bad game be all end all scenario ) I am pretty sure we'd be seeing more creative franchises other than the tried and true and extremely worn out "glossed out FPS" , "Gritty Third person shooter" and "Fantastic RPG"

( Also apologies for the huge quote box, couldn't figure out how to remove the quotes of a quote etc )

 

[Vigormortis]

At this point, I think the hatred is perfectly justified. Some people may be ignorant of it and just hating it because others do, but I think those who do know what they're doing have perfectly good reasons for doing so.

Exactly. I've come across a few people of whom have been "hating" on the Xbox One simply because they either hate Microsoft or because they've noticed a trend of "hate rants" on Facebook.

However, an overwhelming majority of the detractors I've talked with hold their negative opinions of the One for very legitimate reasons.

It has no redeeming values. It plays games...sometimes, if you meet a list of requirements and check in every single day. It plays used games...most of them, and only which publishers see fit and for however much money they want to charge. You can use the kinect...as long as you don't have a small apartment. You can shut off the kinect...as long as you say the magic word. But never unplug it, then nothing will work at all.

Oh, come on now. It has some redeeming values. Like having access to that awe-inspiring future technology known as "The Cloud"!

I guess...you can play Blu-Rays and watch Netflix?

See?! Further redeeming values!

But you need a smart TV to play it anyway, all Smart TVs already come equipped with the ability to surf the Internet and watch Netflix and such. And you can get a Blu-Ray player for a hell of a lot less than the x-bone.

Well see, now you're just being pessimistic. And I thought we had such a good flow of positive thoughts going...

So, yeah. A few people might be mindlessly following the leader, but those leaders are in the right path as far as I'm concerned.

In all seriousness, this last sentence mirrors my thoughts exactly. There is some mindless hate, but the vast majority are rather mindful of the reasons for their ire.

Besides, it seems more like the OP is attempting to justify the incredibly large quantities of bullshit Microsoft have been "piling up" since the E3 reveal. It's as if he (and many others like him) are suffering from some strange form of Stockholm Syndrome. I almost feel sorry for the Xbox fans. This whole affair must feel like a terrible betrayal.

Anyway, that's my two cents. I'm off to try to sleep again.

Damn, insomnia sucks...

 

[Funyahns]

Well somehow when I am shopping I would prefer not to spend my money on something that the slogan is. "It's not that bad". It is not mindless hate, it really seems like Microsoft is taking sides with Publishers over consumers. So good luck to Microsoft, but the only thing that I want to do with the Xbox One is to watch the PR people they have flounder about like idiots saying stupid things, back peddle and then reconfirm.

 

[mokes310]

For me, it's options 1 and 2. Microsoft fouled up, and Sony is offering a superior product for my needs as a consumer. I wouldn't say it's blind hatred at all.

 

[Lictor Face]

You can tell this thread is written by a teen. There's nothing "mindless" about the anger directed at MS for the XB3. And it's anger, not hatred. Anger, maybe disappointment. Like hatred, I'm sure they both lead to the dark side, but there's a difference. Anyone who has genuine hatred for the company or its forthcoming new console has issues that ought to be discussed with a mental health professional.

BTW, why does this need to be it's own thread when there are already plenty of others discussing this exact same thing?

You have a point, perhaps hatred was a wrong word. But you have to agree that the overall atmosphere is far from rainbows and sunshine.

I can recognise condescension when I see it, this is a public forum. Opinions are rife and freely given, if you have a problem with it I recommend exiting the thread and moving on.

As far as I know ( And until someone corrects me otherwise or gives a link ) there are LITTLE if not no threads at all discussing this. The majority of the Xbone threads pretty much revolve around a link/video/quotation of Microsoft once again shooting itself in the foot and the ensuing thunder storm off rage/confusion/amusement and general lulz.

Heck I can give you some examples right now

Xbox one alienates the military.
Get banned on your Xbox One? Say goodbye to your games!
Why any hope you have in the Xbox One is misplaced.

 

[Lictor Face]

Also for the sake of the argument, "hatred" was the wrong word to use, maybe disdain or dislike?

Its annoying to see the same OGM ITS NAWT HATWED point over and over again.

 

[Evil Cabbage]

Well, to respond to the OP's question, it's not so much that people don't recognize good parts of the Xbox One, but rather that the bad parts render all of them essentially meaningless to most people.

On a purely personal note, I actually preferred Xbox One's exclusives, however I won't be buying the console due to the reasons other people have explained.

 

[loc978]

I personally love the Xbone for what it's done to validate my extremely deep-seated and quite well-reasoned hatred of Microsoft as an organization... it epitomizes their standard approach to every innovation that has hit the PC market since Y2K, and is the same move they made with the original Xbox... one.

Consoles need to remain their own thing. I can already build a PC that will outperform the Xbone, attach it to the same display as the Xbone and use the same basic control scheme as the Xbone... with access to everything a PC does, as well. Soon enough, It'll be easy to do that for the same price as the Xbone (and honestly, you can already outperform its CPU for the same money. The only thing you can't yet match with a $500 build is that modified on-chip Radeon 7790. Once the next APU generation is out... or at most 3 generations, probably early 2014, I imagine that will be doable).

...so a console that's just a shitty, locked-down gaming PC with no advantages over an actual gaming PC is pretty useless to anyone more informed than an average potato. It was true of the Xbox, and it's doubly true of the Xbone.
...but at least it's running on x86 hardware again. Got one thing right.

That said, Sony is showing surprising restraint, considering which way the corporate winds are blowing. "We won't fuck you much harder than before, but neither will we stand in the way of publishers fucking you. Also, look at the other guys, they're just blatantly waiting to sodomize you!" Very Switzerland.

 

[orc1231515]

I just refuse to believe that there is nothing good about it. There is ALWAYS a silver lining regardless how horrible the situation.

To me the silver lining of this situation is clear and obvious, this entire media scandal is the silver lining!
If we had kept quit what would sony have done? Now because the Microsoft screwed up and we complainend Sony chose a different option.

But why would you look for a silver lining in the product?
look at it like this:
I produe a car which drives 3 miles to the gallon, has a top speed of 100 Mile/hour, is unsafe as hell but otherwhise gives me a lot of options not needed in a car that might be nice.
My friend introduced a nearly identical car which goes 20 miles to the gallon, 200 mile/hour etc, etc but costs $100 less.
nobody will buy my car and again the only silver lining is me not trying to sell junk again.(assuming I learn)

 

[Flames66]

I mean, I don't like the Xbone ( And I own an extremely worn out white 360 ) , but don't you think all this mindless hatred is going a bit far?

I haven't seen any mindless hatred (apart from the occasional "FAKC MICRO!!" posts). All the hatred I have seen has been clearly directed at massive issues with the Xbone. Yes it has some interesting features such as the voice recognition, but those are so far outweighed by the bad ideas that they are not really worth mentioning.

The hatred is necessary to show micro$oft that it's behavior is unacceptable.