Poll: Peace In The Middle East

[cobra_ky]

How is Israel the problem? I thought Iran was :S
Quick Question: Isn't the Iranian president still pissed at us? Or did we kiss and make up?

Israel is the problem because they destabilized the entire region with no claim after WWII. When the UN created Israel they destroyed Palestine and forced the Palestinians into the last real ghettos since the lolocaust. The Palestinians became unhappy, while the Jews got land that didn't belong to them. When this happened the entire Muslim population of the middle east got pissed off at Israel because they are screwing shit up.

the population of Palestine was 25% jewish in 1931, before the mass immigration prompted by the Holocaust. The UN never created Israel, they instead proposed a two-state solution which was rejected by Arab leaders. Britain withdrew, Israel declared independence, and the surrounding nations immediately declared war on them.

The Jews are at fault, lets finish what Germany started.

Welcome to The Escapist. Enjoy your ban.

 

[dalek sec]

Just no, there's too much hate there for any hope of peace.

 

[cobra_ky]

Fine, but I still think the muslims are worse.

You are vastly mistaken. Islam actually forbids all actions of terrorism and wanton violence, and the Qur'an says that if you kill an innocent, the same sin is on you as if you've killed all of mankind, and if you save an innocent, the same good is on you as if you've saved all of mankind.

That quote is originally from the Talmud.

Is it now? I have a copy of the Qur'an right here...

the Talmud predates the Qur'an.

 

[cobra_ky]

Holocaust.

The Jews are at fault, lets finish what Germany started.

Welcome to The Escapist. Enjoy your ban.

First off, it is lolocaust, because it was funny as hell. Secondly, supporting Nazism is not banworthy at all. It may not be socially acceptable, but that doesn't make it not amusing. It is an opinion, I happen to have it. Get the fuck over it.

there's a big difference between supporting nazism and advocating the murder of the jews. kind of like how there's a difference between Zionism and advocating the murder of palestinians.

EDIT: annnnnnd boom goes the dynamite.

 

[Ph33nix]

people there are fighting over things that happened hundreds if not thousands of years ago it aint gonna stop because the US trys to stop it.

 

[somekindarobot]

This has long been known to be false. They aren't people. They are sub-human at best. Would killing a goat be ban-worthy? No.

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, as they say, but goddamn it I can't help myself! I'm Jewish buddy boy, so why don't ya say that again so I can ram my head through my computer, through the internet, out your computer, and gore you with my prominent Jew-horns so hard that you could fill a stein with the blood wrung from your lederhosen!

 

[blaze96]

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This may be that one effect I can't remember the name of at the current moment where you can't tell if someone is being on the internet is at play here so I'm going to assume you are being sincere.

so:

I take back what I said in my later post about you being stupid. What you said is a fine point, but the delivery obscured that message. You are right gamers don't do anything when playing games, but that doesn't mean that gamers aren't part of those organizations above. I don't get what you mean though about governments and people in power not helping. The US, UK, UN, and every other first world nation has its own aid organizations that do even more than the civilian ones because of sheer resources available.

It is also impossible to expect humanitarian aid to stop a war, it just isn't possible. Humans fight, there is no getting around it, even if every country and entity of power were dissolved overnight and 1000 years passed with absolutely no new power structure of any kind, people fight. It is unrealistic to expect it to help, and it angers me as well that it doesn't, but it just can't. It is just who we are as people, and the press will never cover it. Good news doesn't do anything, but death, disease, and hatred shoot ratings skyward. These people do leave a lasting effect, but 24 hour world news just doesn't care. Peace will only be achieved (and I mean a meaningful, long lasting, peace) when we can set aside all differences and work together.

I did a post to that effect on another thread, and the only way I see that happening is this.
It was if you could make every one believe one thing it would be... and I said this:

"This is easy. Everyone believes that some alien force from another galaxy is coming to kill us all and we must band together to stop it.

There world peace and aid for developing nations done. 'Cause we all follow the saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so give everyone on earth a common enemy and that we must all work together to defeat it and watch how we come together."

That is the only way I see a decent piece being achieved.

 

[somekindarobot]

This has long been known to be false. They aren't people. They are sub-human at best. Would killing a goat be ban-worthy? No.

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, as they say, but goddamn it I can't help myself! I'm Jewish buddy boy, so why don't ya say that again so I can ram my head through my computer, through the internet, out your computer, and gore you with my prominent Jew-horns so hard that you could fill a stein with the blood wrung from your lederhosen!

This is what I'm talking about! It is clearly too unevolved to know that computers don't work this way. Sub-human trash.

And you're too unevolved to understand hyperbole (if you understand what that means). I've known that the goyim could be stupid, but boy, you take the cake! Choke on your bratwurst.

 

[cainx10a]

This has long been known to be false. They aren't people. They are sub-human at best. Would killing a goat be ban-worthy? No.

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, as they say, but goddamn it I can't help myself! I'm Jewish buddy boy, so why don't ya say that again so I can ram my head through my computer, through the internet, out your computer, and gore you with my prominent Jew-horns so hard that you could fill a stein with the blood wrung from your lederhosen!

This is what I'm talking about! It is clearly too unevolved to know that computers don't work this way. Sub-human trash.

This has long been known to be false. They aren't people. They are sub-human at best. Would killing a goat be ban-worthy? No.

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, as they say, but goddamn it I can't help myself! I'm Jewish buddy boy, so why don't ya say that again so I can ram my head through my computer, through the internet, out your computer, and gore you with my prominent Jew-horns so hard that you could fill a stein with the blood wrung from your lederhosen!

This is what I'm talking about! It is clearly too unevolved to know that computers don't work this way. Sub-human trash.

And you're too unevolved to understand hyperbole (if you understand what that means). I've known that the goyim could be stupid, but boy, you take the cake! Choke on your bratwurst.

Kids, can you take it outside? Let adults discuss this issue properly.

 

[dalek sec]

Alright, just report him and stop feeding that bloody troll.

 

[somekindarobot]

This has long been known to be false. They aren't people. They are sub-human at best. Would killing a goat be ban-worthy? No.

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, as they say, but goddamn it I can't help myself! I'm Jewish buddy boy, so why don't ya say that again so I can ram my head through my computer, through the internet, out your computer, and gore you with my prominent Jew-horns so hard that you could fill a stein with the blood wrung from your lederhosen!

This is what I'm talking about! It is clearly too unevolved to know that computers don't work this way. Sub-human trash.

This has long been known to be false. They aren't people. They are sub-human at best. Would killing a goat be ban-worthy? No.

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, as they say, but goddamn it I can't help myself! I'm Jewish buddy boy, so why don't ya say that again so I can ram my head through my computer, through the internet, out your computer, and gore you with my prominent Jew-horns so hard that you could fill a stein with the blood wrung from your lederhosen!

This is what I'm talking about! It is clearly too unevolved to know that computers don't work this way. Sub-human trash.

And you're too unevolved to understand hyperbole (if you understand what that means). I've known that the goyim could be stupid, but boy, you take the cake! Choke on your bratwurst.

Kids, can you take it outside? Let adults discuss this issue properly.

Hey, I just can't let him go without giving him a piece of my mind, can I?

 

[cobra_ky]

This has long been known to be false. They aren't people. They are sub-human at best. Would killing a goat be ban-worthy? No.

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, as they say, but goddamn it I can't help myself! I'm Jewish buddy boy, so why don't ya say that again so I can ram my head through my computer, through the internet, out your computer, and gore you with my prominent Jew-horns so hard that you could fill a stein with the blood wrung from your lederhosen!

i happen to be both jewish and german, so i'll thank you to cut out the anti-german sentiment (especially since that guy's canadian anyway)

i'll also thank you not to get an otherwise interesting thread locked.

Hey, I just can't let him go without giving him a piece of my mind, can I?

yes. you easily can.

 

[Shock and Awe]

Hmm. So if both sides put their guns aside, talk about it, show respect, and shake hands the problem will just go away?

I like it. I just hope neither side is too stubborn to let it happen.

It won't, this make work for your average person, but muslim fundamentalists would never allow peace.

 

[HobbesMkii]

What amuses me about this whole argument is we act like the whole rest of the world is one big peaceful zone, and it's only those trouble making Arab countries who are the barbarians who still beat up on each other. The fact is, there's conflict in South America (look at Ecuador-Colombia), peace in Europe hasn't existed for long enough to be really considered permanent, the last armed conflict we had before Bush was in the Balkans (hell, the South Ossetia War anyone? though technically not Europe, not what we consider Asia or the Middle East) and then there's all the stuff that happens out in Asia: India and Pakistan are still beating up on each other, technically the only thing that exists between the UN and North Korea is a cease-fire. And Africa. Africa's like the conflicts of the Middle East, Ecuador-Columbia, Indian Subcontinent combined, put on steroids, TIMES TWO. But no one gives a fuck about Africa. Because we can't deal with a whole continent. No no no. We have to deal with a bunch of fucking desert with one vital resource (that's quickly becoming obsolete). Africa's got rubber, diamonds, cash crops, up the wazoo, but we're more worried about oil. I suppose another problem with Africa is it's full of black people.

Hell, tell me what countries in the Middle East are actually currently at war with each other. Which two? Who're the combatants? How're the campaigns going? The fact is, there aren't any. They're at peace with each other. Yes, they fund non-national organizations that conduct guerrilla campaigns, but so do we (Afghanistan, circa 1980).

Is the Middle East a good situation? Fuck no. But it's as stable as it can be, just like the Balkans are as stable as they can be (and they have a history of being a powder keg next to an open fireplace).

The trouble, in my opinion, comes about when a bunch of idiots go "Well, they're living in the stone age with their stone age beliefs, and those beliefs are totally irreconcilable with modernity." Islam's not a problem. Turkey's got Islam, and it's moderate (hell, it wants to be part of the EU. EVERY SINGLE political party in Turkey wants to be part of the EU). Morocco, Algeria, these are moderate Islamic countries. Look at Muslims in the United States. They have no problem with the way life in the US is. Hell, the Southern Baptists and the Faux News commentators are more worried about America's corrupt culture than Muslims in the US. But when you paint belief as the issue, YOU MAKE AN UNSOLVABLE PROBLEM.

 

[somekindarobot]

This has long been known to be false. They aren't people. They are sub-human at best. Would killing a goat be ban-worthy? No.

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, as they say, but goddamn it I can't help myself! I'm Jewish buddy boy, so why don't ya say that again so I can ram my head through my computer, through the internet, out your computer, and gore you with my prominent Jew-horns so hard that you could fill a stein with the blood wrung from your lederhosen!

i happen to be both jewish and german, so i'll thank you to cut out the anti-german sentiment (especially since that guy's canadian anyway)

i'll also thank you not to get an otherwise interesting thread locked.

Hey, I just can't let him go without giving him a piece of my mind, can I?

yes. you easily can.

I guess your right. I was being bloody stupid and so on and so forth. I'm sorry. But it boils my blood to know there are people out there who consider the lives of me, my family, and plenty of people I know and love to be cheap as dirt.