Poll: Proud to be British

[emeraldrafael]

I dont hate Britain because and Englishman is my ancestor. The person said a native american knocked up a women so i'm trying to make myself more them I am without any prior knowledge of my situation. I clarified.

I still don't see why any of this historical sexual activity is the "fault" of someone who will not be born for 200 years or the entire sociogeographical group that this one man beloged to.

I siad i didnt hate them for it. It just bothers me when I say I'm native American and people immediately think that one of my ancestors was raped by a savage indian. So i like to correct them. and thats really essentially what he said.

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I got asked what i was because I had a slightly darker shade so i didnt look native british. after I told people what I was, i got those reactions. Of the few people that i met who werent british decent (i.e. oriental mostly, but that might have just been the places i visited), I told them after they told me what they were and tehy didnt react with the same hostilities. I dont think I'm cool for being Native American. I just htink I'm me and that that part of my ancestry make me a little more different but not higher above anyone. The people i made friends with didnt care i was Cherokee, and i was glad tehy didnt. I get enough of it in America when my neighbors ask me to do a rain dance when we have a drought.

I'm calling bullshit. British people are not like americans. We don't start conversations then ask them their ancestry. We don't care. It never comes up in a converstation. Whether you're talking to a black man, asian or white guy.

*facepalm*

I was never asked directely. here's more or less how people found out:
British Person: Hey, nice tan (this was around september). That natural?
me: yeah.
B: So you from around here (also dont have the British speech, since it wouldnt be an accent to you)?
M: no.
B: where you from?
M: I'm American. Native American.
B: oh. So... How's it feel to know my great grandfather made your people civiliz.. blah blah blah.

So yes, British people did ask me, cause i tan better then most people (Combination of Spanish and Cherokee blood. I can get dark).

 

[Lexodus]

Very much so, we're fucking AWESOME.

I hear a lot of talk about chavs on the escapist, are you one them?

Put it this way.
I have a monocle, walk with the aid of a cane, and possess an upper-class British accent (worthy of my status as an upper class British subject). I also set fire to chavs.

So you're like... A very classy Pimp? Who dislikes chavs?

Some have said that in the past... however, some say that I am a god among men, and that there are a hundred ways to kill me but ninety-nine of those ways are actually clever ruses that I have put into circulation myself to trick people. But for all you know... they may be right. I actually have a cult following, comprising of stalkers and adoring fans, and my hair has a fanclub all by itself.

 

[emeraldrafael]

thats pretty much it in a nutshell. And it was out of a takeway, but I had to do research where i was going and i saw that a large part of British diet was fish and bread (especially during the time of my study whihc was colonial up to 1877) so thats what a larger portion of my meals had ot be.

You based your idea of the British diet on what we would have been eating around 1877? Before planes and fridges and supermarkets and basically everything else?

Awesome.

Well, gotta say true to the format. It was in my specifications for my transfer. So I had to eat it. After the first few weeks of the runs i would have gladly changed diets.

Not sure I snipped that right.
Mate, English people do not just go up to random people, and ask them their country/race of origin. It just doesn't happen. So I find it very, very hard to believe that people constantly asked you this, throughout England.

See above post my man.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

I siad i didnt hate them for it. It just bothers me when I say I'm native American and people immediately think that one of my ancestors was raped by a savage indian. So i like to correct them. and thats really essentially what he said.

OK, so you withdraw the "fault of you and your people" comment then?

Also, these people, where did you tend to meet them? In pubs? Takeaways?

PS no one mentioned rape, you just assumed, addmittedly I assumed you meant the english person raped the native american when you used the wording you did.

 

[Lexodus]

I?m 22 and not proud to be British...but proud to be Scottish

Simple reason: I?m against the monarchy....fuck the queen!

On second thoughts, don't. She's fucking old... unless you're into that kind of thing, ya highland swine.

 

[Druss the Slayer]

I dont hate Britain because and Englishman is my ancestor. The person said a native american knocked up a women so i'm trying to make myself more them I am without any prior knowledge of my situation. I clarified.

I still don't see why any of this historical sexual activity is the "fault" of someone who will not be born for 200 years or the entire sociogeographical group that this one man beloged to.

I siad i didnt hate them for it. It just bothers me when I say I'm native American and people immediately think that one of my ancestors was raped by a savage indian. So i like to correct them. and thats really essentially what he said.

Snip

I got asked what i was because I had a slightly darker shade so i didnt look native british. after I told people what I was, i got those reactions. Of the few people that i met who werent british decent (i.e. oriental mostly, but that might have just been the places i visited), I told them after they told me what they were and tehy didnt react with the same hostilities. I dont think I'm cool for being Native American. I just htink I'm me and that that part of my ancestry make me a little more different but not higher above anyone. The people i made friends with didnt care i was Cherokee, and i was glad tehy didnt. I get enough of it in America when my neighbors ask me to do a rain dance when we have a drought.

I'm calling bullshit. British people are not like americans. We don't start conversations then ask them their ancestry. We don't care. It never comes up in a converstation. Whether you're talking to a black man, asian or white guy.

*facepalm*

I was never asked directely. here's more or less how people found out:
British Person: Hey, nice tan (this was around september). That natural?
me: yeah.
B: So you from around here (also dont have the British speech, since it wouldnt be an accent to you)?
M: no.
B: where you from?
M: I'm American. Native American.
B: oh. So... How's it feel to know my great grandfather made your people civiliz.. blah blah blah.

So yes, British people did ask me, cause i tan better then most people (Combination of Spanish and Cherokee blood. I can get dark).

GTFudgeO the thread, please. This arguement is going nowhere and it's not really ON THE BLOODY TOPIC I STARTED. This thread is about being proud of your British heritage. As you have stated, you are 1% British but do not consider yourself British in the slightest. Thank you for your point mate.


Alright y'all, I'm off to beddy byes now, way past my bed time (College at 8:30 tomorrow, woop). Night night, thanks for being so enthusiastic Don't think I've seen many 5 page long threads.

 

[Dr Snakeman]

Well, I was going to screw up your poll and say "no", which, as an American, is the only logical answer I could give. Fortunately, I'm not that mean.

So, yeah, go UK, and such. Don't much care for many of your country's policies (Can't have a gun? Can't protect my own property? SCREW THAT!), but overall I think you're a fun bunch.

However, could you please tell your college students to cool it? They're freaking the rest of us out.

 

[Druss the Slayer]

Well, I was going to screw up your poll and say "no", which, as an American, is the only logical answer I could give. Fortunately, I'm not that mean.

So, yeah, go UK, and such. Don't much care for many of your country's policies (Can't have a gun? Can't protect my own property? SCREW THAT!), but overall I think you're a fun bunch.

However, could you please tell your college students to cool it? They're freaking the rest of us out.

Hehe, thanks mate.
And I am a college student! Just one that believes that the EMA cuts have to happen, and that tuition fees need to be put up. I'm not happy about it, but my philosophy is that I'd rather spend a year or two more paying my loan back, then servicemen in Afghanistan die because the Armed Forces had cutbacks, or someone dies due to NHS cutbacks.

 

[dombot]

However, could you please tell your college students to cool it? They're freaking the rest of us out.

have a look for videos of the poll tax riots and miners strikes, If the gov keeps this up the students could only be a prequel to the fun

 

[Shock and Awe]

I'm American and proud of that. XD

Though if I was British I would probably be proud, the UK is a pretty cool place, and your SAS are some BAMFs.

 

[JackandTom]

British. Northern. And Proud of it

 

[Danzaivar]

I was never asked directely. here's more or less how people found out:
British Person: Hey, nice tan (this was around september). That natural?
me: yeah.
B: So you from around here (also dont have the British speech, since it wouldnt be an accent to you)?
M: no.
B: where you from?
M: I'm American. Native American.
B: oh. So... How's it feel to know my great grandfather made your people civiliz.. blah blah blah.

So yes, British people did ask me, cause i tan better then most people (Combination of Spanish and Cherokee blood. I can get dark).

If you was tanned they probably expected something like California or Florida or Texas etc. Instead you said you was a Native American, implying you'd want to talk about being a native american, and the only thing most Brits would know about native Americans is that they got wiped the hell out quite early on.

I can't tell if that last bit is because the conversation was really strenuous and that's all they had to go on with (likely assuming your one word answers were accurate), or if they was trying to be funny and you just didn't get it. Can see why you could think there was any malice behind that though, a bit.

 

[Redemption003]

Well, I was going to screw up your poll and say "no", which, as an American, is the only logical answer I could give. Fortunately, I'm not that mean.

So, yeah, go UK, and such. Don't much care for many of your country's policies (Can't have a gun? Can't protect my own property? SCREW THAT!), but overall I think you're a fun bunch.

However, could you please tell your college students to cool it? They're freaking the rest of us out.

Hehe, thanks mate.
And I am a college student! Just one that believes that the EMA cuts have to happen, and that tuition fees need to be put up. I'm not happy about it, but my philosophy is that I'd rather spend a year or two more paying my loan back, then servicemen in Afghanistan die because the Armed Forces had cutbacks, or someone dies due to NHS cutbacks.

Oh my god! Somebody else who agrees with the tuition fee rise! Most people I know can quite easily see and empathise with my own agreeing with the fee rise, but tend to disagree. Also, the protesters need to stop disrupting my gorram lectures...

On topic: I don't know whether I'd call myself proud of being British or not (I do despise a lot of our "popular culture" along with a lot of the people) but I wouldn't change my nationality if I were given the choice and am quite happy to live where I do. Also, I rather enjoy SOME of the accents

 

[Shock and Awe]

I small percentage. and not really, i wasnt born there. I run on the american basis of provable 2%-ism (mainly its you have ot be 2% to be considered seriously of that race/ethnicity.

I'm (rounded numbers):
6% Native American.
24% Italian
15% German
36% Polish/Pollack (i'm told there's a difference, but i dont see it)
14% Irish
4% mixed (pick a country in europe, chances are I'm part of it geneologically)
and
1% British

Its a waste of ink to even say i'm british.

So in other words you're (rounded numbers):

6% Native American
90-94% European (Depending on what 'mixed' means (mixed sweets maybe?))

And that makes you a Native American. Wow.

It makes me Native American cause i was BORN IN AMERICA. I'm Cherokee before anyhting else, American second, then American-Italian decent and then i go down the list by largest number of percentage in my blood. Besides, the Cherokee has had more influence on my life then aynthing else.

Excuse my curiosity, but I am sitting somewhere around 15% Muskogee and I consider myself American far before I consider Native American. May I ask why you consider yourself Cherokee first despite your Cherokee heritage being in the realm of "my great-great grandmother married a Cherokee"? Grow up in nation?

 

[AcrylicHero]

However, could you please tell your college students to cool it? They're freaking the rest of us out.

have a look for videos of the poll tax riots and miners strikes, If the gov keeps this up the students could only be a prequel to the fun

I don't think our protests were anywhere near the stuff Italy and Greece had this year.

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Sounds like they were taking a sarcastic jab at you. Sarcy comments and disses is how we brits communicate.
Me and my mates fling racial slurs and racist comments casually every day. It's just how brits roll.
It wouldn't have have mattered where you were from, they will take a jab at you. We do it to ourselves the most. If you're from cornwall then you're an inbred, if you're from birmingham you're a diry brum scum, if you're a scouse then you're team is nothing more than a mid league team with a very average squad.
Alot of people who aren't accustomed to this get taken back abit, but most of the time there's no real menace behind those words. It's just how we talk.
Plus there's really no such thing as a native british. To most people (excluding etonian twats and EDL), colour and heritage is hardly an issue. If you go and talk to brits about another brit, they won't assume that he's white. What really matters here is what team you support.

 

[AfterAscon]

Again, look into the trade policies you had with the Confederate States of america at the time and how ready you were to defend your cotton supply obtained from slave labor.

Also, you started the colonies and the process. France didnt take that approach and they had just as much stake in the country. So you started the ball to get it rolling.

Yes, European countries started the process of colonisation, but they stuck to the uninhabited coastal regions. It wasn't until the US got independence, and needed to expand, that it started moving west and clashed with the locals. Britain had alliances with the Natives during the war of 1812 and even sought policies to benefit them during the peace talks, but the US ignored them.

The problem with people criticising the Empire is that it wasn't doing any 'wrong' by the standards and morals of the time (I'm sure in several hundred years time we'll be looked down upon because of various reasons). Slavery, colonisation etc were all justified under 'our divine right', which every other country in the world was also doing as well (Remember African slaves were originally captured and taken as slaves by other African tribes. Even Native Americans dealt with slaves). The one big thing that the empire did was to go against the rest of the world and put an end to things like the slave trade and colonisation by supporting stuff like the Monroe doctrine and attacking other nation's ships to free slaves. The might of the empire ended these. Yes there are a lot of bad marks on the empire (like any country), but people tend to see the word Empire and just look at it from a very superficial level.

Am I proud to be British? Proud is a bit strong of a word, I'm glad I'm British because there are a lot of worse places to be from than Britain, despite all the whining people do.

 

[emeraldrafael]

I was never asked directely. here's more or less how people found out:
British Person: Hey, nice tan (this was around september). That natural?
me: yeah.
B: So you from around here (also dont have the British speech, since it wouldnt be an accent to you)?
M: no.
B: where you from?
M: I'm American. Native American.
B: oh. So... How's it feel to know my great grandfather made your people civiliz.. blah blah blah.

So yes, British people did ask me, cause i tan better then most people (Combination of Spanish and Cherokee blood. I can get dark).

If you was tanned they probably expected something like California or Florida or Texas etc. Instead you said you was a Native American, implying you'd want to talk about being a native american, and the only thing most Brits would know about native Americans is that they got wiped the hell out quite early on.

I can't tell if that last bit is because the conversation was really strenuous and that's all they had to go on with (likely assuming your one word answers were accurate), or if they was trying to be funny and you just didn't get it. Can see why you could think there was any malice behind that though, a bit.

Well, I'm not sure how I should take it when someone says something like what you just said, where you only know my people ebcause tehy were almost wiped off the face of the earth, or when they say things like how without country's interventions i would still be a mindless savage running around the woods with sticks. Or how my people where demons and monsters because we tried to protect our lands. So excuse me when the humour falls on thin patience. I'm pretty sure any jew would react the same if i walked up and siad, "my, its a shame hitler didnt wipe you off the face of the earth. But hey, least now you got something to write about and make money"*

besides, I find it rather rude of someone to just ask me blantently where i'm from without me talking to them first just cause i look/talk different. I dont do that to others, I'd rather like if people did not do it to me. I'm much more open and friendly when someone wants to be civilized and say, "hey, how are you," or, "whats up?"

*NOT, I repeat NOT!!! how i actually feel about that instance in history or the jewish people in general. I find them to be rather good people.

 

[FightThePower]

I'm not proud because I think Patriotism is illogical. I'm not proud to be British simply because I was born here.

 

[Lord_Panzer]

I small percentage. and not really, i wasnt born there. I run on the american basis of provable 2%-ism (mainly its you have ot be 2% to be considered seriously of that race/ethnicity.

I'm (rounded numbers):
6% Native American.
24% Italian
15% German
36% Polish/Pollack (i'm told there's a difference, but i dont see it)
14% Irish
4% mixed (pick a country in europe, chances are I'm part of it geneologically)
and
1% British

Its a waste of ink to even say i'm british.

So in other words you're (rounded numbers):

6% Native American
90-94% European (Depending on what 'mixed' means (mixed sweets maybe?))

And that makes you a Native American. Wow.

It makes me Native American cause i was BORN IN AMERICA. I'm Cherokee before anyhting else, American second, then American-Italian decent...

6% > 24% > 36%
The American education system, everyone. Give it a hand.

You were born in America, not Native America. You're American. You're welcome to acknowledge the small percentage on your heritage that is Native, but that isn't what defines you ethnically.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Again, look into the trade policies you had with the Confederate States of america at the time and how ready you were to defend your cotton supply obtained from slave labor.

Also, you started the colonies and the process. France didnt take that approach and they had just as much stake in the country. So you started the ball to get it rolling.

Yes, European countries started the process of colonisation, but they stuck to the uninhabited coastal regions. It wasn't until the US got independence, and needed to expand, that it started moving west and clashed with the locals. Britain had alliances with the Natives during the war of 1812 and even sought policies to benefit them during the peace talks, but the US ignored them.

The problem with people criticising the Empire is that it wasn't doing any 'wrong' by the standards and morals of the time (I'm sure in several hundred years time we'll be looked down upon because of various reasons). Slavery, colonisation etc were all justified under 'our divine right', which every other country in the world was also doing as well (Remember African slaves were originally captured and taken as slaves by other African tribes. Even Native Americans dealt with slaves). The one big thing that the empire did was to go against the rest of the world and put an end to things like the slave trade and colonisation by supporting stuff like the Monroe doctrine and attacking other nation's ships to free slaves. The might of the empire ended these. Yes there are a lot of bad marks on the empire (like any country), but people tend to see the word Empire and just look at it from a very superficial level.

Am I proud to be British? Proud is a bit strong of a word, I'm glad I'm British because there are a lot of worse places to be from than Britain, despite all the whining people do.

Thats great to say you odnt practice it, but it looks rather foolish when your main trading partner is a country that still finds slavery "right" and when you were ready to go to war with them against a country that was fighting against slavery so you could protect cotton.

I'm not saying colonialism is wrong, but look how the French did it. Sure I dont know if it would have continued, but at least they had healthy respect for the Natives of the land.