I was interested enough to look into the thread and watch the tailor. I wont be buy this game though, maybe if I had Apple things I would get it for ios.
Post them, the onus is on the accuser to put up the sources and evidence.Nods Respectfully Towards You said:Source? Just check out all the tweets about how she thinks the only reason Revolution 60 was getting downvoted because she was a feminist that dared to make a game rather than it just being a rather shit looking game. Or how upvoting her game was somehow showing those nasty trolls and shit among that tangent.Haerthan said:How about you provide a source on that please. Because I haven't seen her ask people to do that shit.
Also the intention, message and meaning of the game is completely part of the merits of a game. But hey I asked if you were interested. I didn't ask you to come with unproven allegations.
As for the message, I suppose that has some sort of bearing on the game, albeit a rather small one that's vastly outweighed by far more important things like gameplay. The "intention" of the game or how it "raises awareness" matters jack shit in the grand scheme of things. It's like focusing on the steak sauce rather than the actual steak. No, scratch that, it's like focusing on the inedible garnish rather than the actual steak. I could make a game with an incredibly great message trying to raise awareness for, I don't know, african genocide or some bullshit but that doesn't really benefit anything if the game I've made is something even an amateur developer would be embarrassed to call their own.
That would be right if your assumption, of a feminist hivemind, would be true. There is no such thing and feminists disagree among each other. Furthermore feminists aren't against sexy characters, just characters that are portrayed nothing more than objects.Amaror said:I like how this supposed "feminist" game has an exclusively female cast, consisting entirely of unrealistically slim women with big breasts wearing skin-tight outfits.
But no, you guys, it's EMPOWERING when we do it!
Just for the record: I have no problem with games or any media featuring mostly attractive people, as their supposed to be escapism. It's just funny that this "feminist" game features the same things, that are called out as sexist by other "feminists".
I did not mean it like that, but let me rephrase my statement.Haerthan said:That would be right if your assumption, of a feminist hivemind, would be true. There is no such thing and feminists disagree among each other. Furthermore feminists aren't against sexy characters, just characters that are portrayed nothing more than objects.Amaror said:I like how this supposed "feminist" game has an exclusively female cast, consisting entirely of unrealistically slim women with big breasts wearing skin-tight outfits.
But no, you guys, it's EMPOWERING when we do it!
Just for the record: I have no problem with games or any media featuring mostly attractive people, as their supposed to be escapism. It's just funny that this "feminist" game features the same things, that are called out as sexist by other "feminists".
Actually, it cost $400,000.noahd said:writing, voice acting, graphics, game play, all made on the dime.
But you are ignoring a large chunk of their criticism. Those scantily clad women are not subjects (or protagonists), they are nothing more than an object for the male protagonist to fight for. Kinda like "fridging" a female character, only instead of death (which is also common) they are captured and used as bait. Also considering the whole game features only a female cast, your argument doesn't exactly make sense.Amaror said:I did not mean it like that, but let me rephrase my statement.Haerthan said:That would be right if your assumption, of a feminist hivemind, would be true. There is no such thing and feminists disagree among each other. Furthermore feminists aren't against sexy characters, just characters that are portrayed nothing more than objects.Amaror said:I like how this supposed "feminist" game has an exclusively female cast, consisting entirely of unrealistically slim women with big breasts wearing skin-tight outfits.
But no, you guys, it's EMPOWERING when we do it!
Just for the record: I have no problem with games or any media featuring mostly attractive people, as their supposed to be escapism. It's just funny that this "feminist" game features the same things, that are called out as sexist by other "feminists".
Given that many videogame critics that identify as feminists claim that depicting scantily clad women with unrealisticly proportioned bodies is a clear indication of sexism and hatred of women by the developers, it is rather ironic that a female developer also identifying as a feminist creates game were all characters are scantily clad women with unrealisticly proportioned bodies. Because in the end this leads to the assumption that by the standarts of these videogame critics Brianna Wu and her team are also sexists that hate women.
That is good for the feminists you know, but i have seen many that differ. I have seen enough feminists enraged about the character of Bayonetta. And that character is clearly powerfull, independent and in full control of the situation. Yet she dares to dress in a sexy way, which means she's clearly sexist.Haerthan said:But you are ignoring a large chunk of their criticism. Those scantily clad women are not subjects (or protagonists), they are nothing more than an object for the male protagonist to fight for. Kinda like "fridging" a female character, only instead of death (which is also common) they are captured and used as bait. Also considering the whole game features only a female cast, your argument doesn't exactly make sense.
Feminists, at least the ones I know, are not against scantily clad women as long as they have character and are treated as subjects. They are against women being portrayed as nothing more than objects of desire.
For extra bonus points, this game cost over $400,000 to make.Vigormortis said:Um...no. No I am not interested. At all.
That looks absolutely atrocious. I don't want to be overly harsh but that looks like utter shit. It just looks bad. Fractally bad, in fact.
If the asking price is more than five bucks I might even consider it a scam.
Just...that rendering engine and art style...
*shudder*
Anyone that lazy, amateurish, and uninspired in their engine and asset building is likely just as lazy, amateurish, and uninspired with their game design and writing ability.
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And now I actually hate this game and am disgusted by the people behind it. From what I've gathered, the primary reason this game even made it to Greenlight was because Wu played the "victim card" by claiming, "The evil Gamergaters want to shut us down! Stand up for what's right and upvote us!"[footnote]Paraphrased.[/footnote]
That's as fucking scummy as it gets. Fuck this game.
And again feminists disagree with one another. Although you do kinda have to admit that Bayonetta was a bit dodgy because of the camera work focusing in on it, not because she dressed in a sexy way. And it was only one review dude. Doesn't mean that every feminist is going to agree with that review.Amaror said:That is good for the feminists you know, but i have seen many that differ. I have seen enough feminists enraged about the character of Bayonetta. And that character is clearly powerfull, independent and in full control of the situation. Yet she dares to dress in a sexy way, which means she's clearly sexist.Haerthan said:But you are ignoring a large chunk of their criticism. Those scantily clad women are not subjects (or protagonists), they are nothing more than an object for the male protagonist to fight for. Kinda like "fridging" a female character, only instead of death (which is also common) they are captured and used as bait. Also considering the whole game features only a female cast, your argument doesn't exactly make sense.
Feminists, at least the ones I know, are not against scantily clad women as long as they have character and are treated as subjects. They are against women being portrayed as nothing more than objects of desire.
So i read her Twitter.Out of all those tweets i found only 5 tweets where she talks about the GG-brigade going on about her Greenlight. So yea of course she will counteract against the BS that GG put up:Nods Respectfully Towards You said:Like i said, go through her Twitter. I can't be assed to do so since last time I did I was nearly blinded by my bile leaking out of my eyes. You should have no problem though, just take a look at any of the posts from when it was going through the Greenlight phase.Haerthan said:Post them, the onus is on the accuser to put up the sources and evidence.
Yes it does. The intention of every piece of art, whether games, movies, books and every other piece of art matters. Otherwise there is no point to it at all. Everything that deals with humanity has more than one meaning, politics, etc etc.
Also, sure, a good message or "intention" can make a good game better, but it's going to do jack squat for a game that's already shit or at best completely forgettable like Revolution 60 and Depression Quest. Also, art doesn't need a "point" as you say. The very act of creating it is all the point you need
And it seems $399,000 was used as toilet paper.Here Comes Tomorrow said:Actually, it cost $400,000.noahd said:writing, voice acting, graphics, game play, all made on the dime.