Poll: Security Guards V.S. 12-year old punk
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Eh, the kid was kicking the security guard, needed to be thrown to the ground. It's not self defense when you're resisting arrest, lawful arrest or not. Depending on the nation, those employed in loss prevention are permitted to detain/arrest an individual suspected of theft. Even if the kid wasn't stealing, just creating a disturbance on private property can be grounds for this kind of treatment.
The individuals age doesn't matter if they're breaking the law, and assaulting you when you try to detain them when it is your job to do so. This 12 year-old is not a victim, he is a delinquent, and deserves to be treated as such.
The individuals age doesn't matter if they're breaking the law, and assaulting you when you try to detain them when it is your job to do so. This 12 year-old is not a victim, he is a delinquent, and deserves to be treated as such.
From the guards point of view, he had every reason to be annoyed. And the proper authority (not him, a court) should have given those kids some form of punishment. But again: He was deliberately hurting a handcuffed child a quarter his size, who he was restraining not for doing something malicious (like violence or shoplifting), but for being reckless.Tubez said:
Now, I'm still not sure what exactly 'riding trains' means, and it could easily mean far more stupid things than anything I've ever done. But around that age, I've done stupid reckless stuff too. And you probably did to, as have most boys. And I regularly deserved to be punished to some extent, but this isn't punishment, it's violence.
it's about time 12 year olds with misguided world views and attitude problems get taught that they have to think before they open their mouths. every time i hear a teacher say "stop talking and put your cell phone away," and the student says something like "i wasn't," then goes back to what they were doing i would totally support the teacher just picking up a chair and beating that kid over the head several times.
They take his side because security guards detaining someone for good reason isn't going to generate as much interest and in turn money as security guards beating up innocent kid.Its bullshit they showed admirable restraint in my opinion.Raddra said:
Honestly, if the kid was already doing enough crap for them to cuff him, he already wasn't listening to reason. Its just like if you are dealing with a criminal that continues to be violent. they neutralized the situation, and all they did after that was kept him in line. How is this bad exactly?AndyFromMonday said:
My brother at 9 tried to punch my mom. she grabbed his arm, twisted it and held it and told him to stop. he didn't, so she floored him. It would be interesting if someone could translate it.
I worked in security for nearly 3 years in Norway, my colleagues and me would have done pretty much the same thing. Except for the take-down, depends how much that kickin' hurt. A good hit on the knee can cripple and require surgery. I'd be pissed solely by his intent to injure me and make sure he felt the floor coming up if he got a good hit.
Actions, consequences. Teach it early, save lives.
Actions, consequences. Teach it early, save lives.
This makes me very happy. Kids these days are almost all pricks, and we're getting way too lenient. End the prickness here.
EDIT: Also, about his age, I knew not to fuck with security guards when I was 12. Hell, I knew when I was 8. You can't say he's not responsible for his actions. And he should be punished either way.
EDIT: Also, about his age, I knew not to fuck with security guards when I was 12. Hell, I knew when I was 8. You can't say he's not responsible for his actions. And he should be punished either way.
Now, I can't understand the harrasment said (Not speaking the language and all), but it appears the guards gave him ample warnings and chances to leave. The kid persisted. This was bound to happen and I agree with the decision.
If I was that much of an entitled little shit, I should've been taught those manners as well.
If I was that much of an entitled little shit, I should've been taught those manners as well.
All the guard did was throw him onto the ground. No beating. Sounds pretty "by-the-book" if someone is resisting arrest.
I'm 14, so you can trust me when I say kids are becoming more mature in the bad way.
Also, lol at the kids running away when the see the baton come out.
I'm 14, so you can trust me when I say kids are becoming more mature in the bad way.
Also, lol at the kids running away when the see the baton come out.
After watching that takedown a few times I must say I don't agree completely. The actual landing is hidden from view. The only thing we see is that he puts his left hand on the kids neck, and his right below the stomach to take him off his feet. He does turn him, and my impression was that the kid landed on his shoulder.neurohazzard said:
Freak accidents always can happen, but I wouldn't rate this any more dangerous than most judo takedowns.
The armbar is another matter entirely. It's not like we can judge a situation based on badly-filmed phone footage starting halfway the event, but considering a kid less than half your size a threat worth doing that does raise an eyebrow.
On the whole I can't say this should be considered a textbook example, but it's well within the limits of acceptable behaviour.
i know a 12 year old that robbed a convenience store with a machete. Age doesnt necessarily mean they're innocent of being assholes. Obviously hed done something wrong to begin with and now was getting what was coming to him.
by Beat I meant to claim victory over rather than actually strike the boy, I meant to point out the unimpressive nature of the guards victory. may I disassemble the video to show what I mean by too much force?Agayek said:
from the start up until about 1:30 we see the guard holding the bound boy by placing an arm through the boys elbow and keeping the boy's elbow at about his own jaw level, you can see the boy bent over trying to prevent his shoulder from dislocating but still a painful position.
from then till 2:00 when the kid kicks the guard has a more neutral(less painful) hold that lacks the threat reduction he needed so the now both reinvigorated and panicked boy kicks at him
now the actual throw is hard to see as it is off screen but from the looks of it he took the boy to his knees first then to the ground, but seemed to have his head at an angle so he may have struck head first.
Now I will retract my words about the baton because I had thought he struck him at 2:07 but viewing it again he does not seem to.
as for the pin, he is clearly not using the baton as a weight point because it would have collapsed. as for the knee he has it across what looks to be the boy's glutes and hamstrings. not a bad place to put the knee but I want you to try to hold that position like the guard does, without putting too much weight on that knee, hard isn't it? and this guard is a big boy and that kid is little so it is not a good combination.
when he gets dragged up and away no additional harm seems to be done. except the guard picking his ass at 5:08
Take it from someone who has had to stop and calm people of the boy's size, the guard was way to rough, but it seems (now that I've re-watched the video) rather then being malicious the guard just doesn't know what he is doing.