TomLikesGuitar said:
You REFUSE to accept that most people associate Link with being male.
Of course I accept that is a fact, what I refute is it's relevance.
Lots of people making a wrong assumption based on ignorance doesn't make that assumption true.
It's like if I developed a bunch of RPGs and then decided to make my next game an FPS.
That worked for the brilliant Metroid Prime trilogy.
But haters still ignored it's brilliance because it changed something.
I'd say that most people disagree that the Lore "expects" a female Hero
So would I, as that wasn't really what I said. I said expects EVENTUALLY a female hero, as:
1. half the population of Hyrule are female
2. the hero comes from the population of Hyrule
3. the defining characteristic of the hero is courage
4. courage is not a sex-specific trait
So you again aren't addressing my point.
My point is there COULD be a female protagonist and EVENTUALLY there should be one, but not as the poll said for "the next" as if there was some imperative that it has to be done by the next game. It would be sexist tot totally rule out a female protagonist ever simply because there were many different male protagonists in the past.
The reason is that changes that don't revolve around gameplay are MUCH riskier
How? You can test it just as well as gameplay. And if the risk is pissing off sexists then they can just jog on. Games don't pander to racists, xenophobes nor any other bigots.
Think about how poorly received the cel-shading was before people actually played Wind Waker
In hindsight it has been called the most under-appreciated Zelda game ever, the objection to Cell-shading it's apparent were from people who didn't care about the series anyway. Zelda fans loved it and the cell-shading style has aged exceptionally well.
2. People like traditional Link as a character.
If "not being a girl" is a part of the tradition of the hero, then it's a sexist tradition that cannot be supported. The different heroes of Hyrule have varied so much, in every way except gender.
Enforcing a dress theme of Green Tunic is appropriate as Nintendo has iconography to protect and it's a reasonable tradition for the in game world to have. But a female Link fits in PERFECTLY with that traditional iconography.
There are already female characters in the series who would be better off in the protagonist role.
I have refuted this. I have stated why Zelda in specific is unsuited, also how if anyone else did take up the role then they de-facto WOULD become Link! What stops a player entering "Link" as the player name when they are playing as girl adventurer.
There are dozens of games with female protagonists out there. NO ONE BUYS THEM.
Except the few games with female protagonists do well well (Portal, Metroid, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil series ), and if you want to judge games by sales figures, then The Sims, Wii Sports and Cowadooty are far superior to Psychonauts.
I know those reasons don't matter to you
Then why did you give them if you knew that? Did you just want me to summarise?
the majority of gamers would consider making Link female to be changing his sex
Doesn't mean everything I've said is untrue nor that all those ignorant gamers who don't happen to even play Zelda games are right.
Most people do not sit around and study the subtle intricacies of the Zelda extended universe on their spare time.
Me neither, I just play the games and instantly grasp the simple message.
If you were to poll all of the gamers in the world...
Most gamers haven't played through even half of the Zelda series... their opinion would be one of ignorance. That's like polling a population that have never been informed about Darwinian evolution, just because they don't cite Darwin's theory, doesn't mean his theory isn't true. Look at the number of people on this forum who have stated they changed their mind since considering Link is not a singular individual.
... without giving them the context of this argument
So DELIBERATELY not letting them hear any argument, like a trial without any defence lawyer. You seem to be almost admitting that if they heard my take as well as your they would change their mind to my conclusion.
I know you think everyone is just sexist
Nope... just the ones who arbitrarily oppose a female Link, ever, In a Zelda game. And jsut sexist on this issue. Nothing more.
but you're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.
And what are you doing?
but I don't think you've let a single person disagree with you
Think whatever you like, that's not a fact so hardly relevant.
Not that anyone has even approached this, but one can say, "I PREFER games with male protagonists."
Personal preference is totally difference from saying the way it should be to be true to the source material.
You can prefer Link wears a yellow Tunic, that doesn't mean it should be that way.
It only makes sense that people would want to play a character that they relate to better
Not any substantive argument as the opposite applies to women and doesn't work considering how female protagonists in other games have been so relatable. What is it about a character being a female that is in any way any sort of an impediment to a male relating to her? It's sexism if a male cannot relate to a female character ONLY because she is female. Inability to relate is a key part if not defining aspect of bigotry.
Equally it's sexist if a female game cannot relate to a male character because the character is male.
The topic at hand is asking people's opinions and you need to learn to not jump down people's throats for their opinions.
It's not my fault if I point out how sexist some opinions are. There are facts about opinions that you are going to have to accept. You have a right to your opinion, but no one has any obligation to accept bigoted opinions.
I swear to God, if you respond to this by picking apart my post or calling me sexist then you are THE MOST dense person on the planet.
You "swear to god" do you now? Well that's not the same as actual reasoned evidence, is it?