Poll: Skyrim: The Armour complaint.

[dslatch]

but punching things to death while only wearing pant and shoes has this Bear Grylls feeling to it that can never be replaced! Especially when you punch a bear!

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Playing through Oblivion my armour was never a big issue. Most of the time I just wore the Dark Brotherhood stuff. I think I changed my armour drastically about 3 times in the entire game.

Well, there's your problem. /JamieHyneman

Or rather, where you differ from... pretty much everyone who dislikes the change.

There are (quite obviously) a lot players to whom this matters a great deal. When I was actually playing Oblivion, I changed my armor constantly, just for looks. In Fallout 3 I changed it quite often too. Not so much in New Vegas, but mainly because I've finally found a favorite look and story-wise, my character no longer has a lot of her old stuff.

Now I don't think it "ruins" the game--hell I vastly prefer Fallout 3/NV to Oblivion despite the lesser number of slots--but it just seems like a step backward. Rather than combine the two slots into one, they could've just had the armors occupy both slots. Or maybe they couldn't. It's possible to do that with Gamebryo, though, but Skyrim of course isn't going to run on that dated and somewhat crappy engine.

I think I would rather have them have one armour piece and do something meaningful with the stats on the armour if you see what I mean. It's the substance which needs to be improved upon to make armour more significant to the player.

I have said before that I played a theif character most of the time in Oblivion, and one time as a caster so at best I had the robe, shoes, hat, pants.

I just don't understand how the removal of one armour slot can drastically effect gameplay in any way.

 

[Sjakie]

Why doesn't Bethesda just drop the act and make Skyrim an action game? It's clear they don't give a shit about RPGs anymore. Can they just drop the pretense already and say they just want to make action games?

That summed up my thoughts exactly.

Hunting for matching armor items for my thropy room was a nice touch in earlier TES games, they just stripped one of the things i enjoyed from the series.
I think it's because of the 360's hardware limitations by todays standards that made this happen considering they allready admitted they are developing primarily for Xbox.
After all the other stuff i've been reading this just made me drop Skyrim as a pre-order. I'll probably still get it after i see some positive reviews from sources that i put my trust in but.... F U Bethesda for thinking that 'less is more'.
If your game-engine can't handle your creativity, build a better Engine, If you can't figure it by yourselves, get some guys from ID in your office and have them help you. Your mother company has that pull, so use it.

 

[Stall]

I actually have the opposite feeling. I like to start the game with a vague notion of who my character is, and let the actions I actually take in the game define me from there. It makes me feel more like my character is actually progressing, developing. If I say to myself "I am going to play an axe-wielder who summons imps to help him", and I start playing as an axe-wielder who summons imps to help him, and I end the game as a slightly more powerful axe-wielder who uses imps to help him, then what was the point of playing in the first place?

Hm, I've always started off knowing my guy is going to be an axe-wielder who summons imps to help him, but I typically start off figuring out what I have to do to make him successful at that, then proceeding to build his personality and such once I've started to play him for a little big. For some reason, I have a hard time imagining personalities and such until I've sent some time playing the character, and after seeing how I react to certain events in the world, I can imagine the character in a more whole way. I still get a sense of development, since I know my character, and can start to roleplay. I suppose both approach are just different roads to the same destination.

I find that kind of interesting. Do all RPG's have to be stat based in some way that the player can see or is it possible to use visuals without telling the player: You do x damage out of y hit points. It can be pretty obvious if an item is better simply by value and the way it looks. If I remember correctly Oblivion was fairly simple as far as statistics and didn't go too far in depth into the damage you were doing other than with a health bar that enemies had. Statistical tuning can be important but I don't think it's essential. Engrossing the player in the world with their actions, decisions, and interactions is far more important in my eyes.

That is interesting. Generally, as the stats get better, so does the appearance, but is the appearance enough alone?

Anyways, as much flak as Oblivion got, I thought it took the simplification thing in an okay direction... it actually didn't offend me. Sure, there was a lot of consolidation, but it still kept the general spirit of the previous game, but just trimmed off some fat (except for spears... spears are my favorite fantasy weapon ;-. I think that the essential key to modern RPGs is balancing that statistical tuning with all the immersion and wonderful things, since a lot of modern people don't seem to care much for the whole stat thing. If you take out that statistical tuning, then you are just left with an action game, which is peachy, don't get me wrong, but it isn't an RPG in the truest use of the word. But if you take out the immersion, then you are left with a hollow feeling experience.

 

[Ruiner87]

This is an issue, if only for one reason- enchanting. In a game where the Enchant skill has returned, it would be a logical move to take a step back to Morrowind, where there were more armour pieces, so that the player can take advantage of enchanting to the fullest extent possible.

It's not a huge issue, and the game will still pretty mcuh play the same, but in a game where the tagline is essentially, "Play how you want to play. Be what you want to be.", it doesn't seem like a good move to actually cut down on the amount of customization available to the player. I could of course, be wrong, and this could be a smart move on the part of Bethesda (because aesthetics are important), but at the moment, I'm not really liking this move.

 

[Arkyance]

I think I would rather have them have one armour piece and do something meaningful with the stats on the armour if you see what I mean. It's the substance which needs to be improved upon to make armour more significant to the player.

I have said before that I played a theif character most of the time in Oblivion, and one time as a caster so at best I had the robe, shoes, hat, pants.

I just don't understand how the removal of one armour slot can drastically effect gameplay in any way.

It's not the removal of one slot, It's the constant removal of depth that has been happening since... Daggerfall. Although Morrowind was still complex, and had the system most perfect.

Also, they are removing three skills, and the idea of attributes.

 

[Spawny0908]

Hey guys! Look at the bright side! At least they didn't COMPLETELY remove armor in the game! I'M LOOKING AT YOU FABLE SERIES!!!!

 

[Chibz]

hmmm don't whether to slap you, or welcome you.

Could be worse. Their first TES game could've been vanilla morrowind, which then ends up poisoning them against TES games through overall bad combat & gameplay making them hate TES until a rather nice & patient friend convinces them to play Oblivion because it has all of the awfulness of Morrowind removed ande making them regret the two years that they adamently refused to play Oblivion because of the absolutely bad taste that morrowind left in their mouth and I forgot to talk about walking like you're crippled, starting with absolutely nothing and no idea how to play. /deep breath, dives into a swimming pool to avoid the flames

 

[Tharwen]

Why is it bad? When would you ever choose to have two pieces from different sets anyway? It's not like the game will be exactly one set of trousers harder now that they've been removed either.

Even if it does make a difference to the stats, I usually choose my gear for aesthetics anyway.

 

[Arkyance]

hmmm don't whether to slap you, or welcome you.

Could be worse. Their first TES game could've been vanilla morrowind, which then ends up poisoning them against TES games through overall bad combat & gameplay making them hate TES until a rather nice & patient friend convinces them to play Oblivion because it has all of the awfulness of Morrowind removed ande making them regret the two years that they adamently refused to play Oblivion because of the absolutely bad taste that morrowind left in their mouth and I forgot to talk about walking like you're crippled, starting with absolutely nothing and no idea how to play. /deep breath, dives into a swimming pool to avoid the flames

I have no idea what you just said. Morrowind was an amazing game, and the only reason I bought Oblivion. The only reason I play Oblivion anymore are the mods.

 

[Ruiner87]

hmmm don't whether to slap you, or welcome you.

Could be worse. Their first TES game could've been vanilla morrowind, which then ends up poisoning them against TES games through overall bad combat & gameplay making them hate TES until a rather nice & patient friend convinces them to play Oblivion because it has all of the awfulness of Morrowind removed ande making them regret the two years that they adamently refused to play Oblivion because of the absolutely bad taste that morrowind left in their mouth and I forgot to talk about walking like you're crippled, starting with absolutely nothing and no idea how to play. /deep breath, dives into a swimming pool to avoid the flames

My first TES game was vanilla Morrowind. I had a lot of fun. Unfortunately, most gamers are actually terrible at playing video games and can't figure out how to play anything without a tutorial that lasts eighteen hours.

 

[Arkyance]

Why is it bad? When would you ever choose to have two pieces from different sets anyway? It's not like the game will be exactly one set of trousers harder now that they've been removed either.

Even if it does make a difference to the stats, I usually choose my gear for aesthetics anyway.

Have you ever gotten a piece of Unique Armor? That looks amazing most of the time. Also, If you like aesthetics, then more options is better, isn't it?

 

[Kahunaburger]

Could be worse. Their first TES game could've been vanilla morrowind, which then ends up poisoning them against TES games through overall bad combat & gameplay making them hate TES until a rather nice & patient friend convinces them to play Oblivion because it has all of the awfulness of Morrowind removed ande making them regret the two years that they adamently refused to play Oblivion because of the absolutely bad taste that morrowind left in their mouth and I forgot to talk about walking like you're crippled, starting with absolutely nothing and no idea how to play. /deep breath, dives into a swimming pool to avoid the flames

Other way around for me haha. Morrowind convinced me to buy Oblivion, and Oblivion made me seriously question whether I actually want to get Skyrim.

 

[Chibz]

I have no idea what you just said. Morrowind was an amazing game, and the only reason I bought Oblivion. The only reason I play Oblivion anymore are the mods.

My first TES game was vanilla Morrowind. I had a lot of fun. Unfortunately, most gamers are actually terrible at playing video games and can't figure out how to play anything without a tutorial that lasts eighteen hours.

I actually made a complete thread outlining why Morrowind was awful and see no reason why I should go into depth here.

All I can say is that Oblivion was a breath of fresh air. "Finally", I said, "I can play a TES game that isn't absolutely tedious to endure.". It's not that the game is hard. It's more a complete cluster fuck of bad game design.

But nobody is willing to listen. You have in your minds that it's a flawless gem. It must be something wrong with me if I don't like it.[footnote]Why do I even bother[/footnote]

 

[Pierce Graham]

Who cares? All I need to know is that it's a Elder Scrolls game with OVER 300 HOURS OF GAMEPLAY. And dragons. I don't care about the armor change.

 

[inFAMOUSCowZ]

I am upset over this. I enjoy making my person look as I please. Also is it going to be similar to fallout 3 except cut into two? If so i am very upset.

 

[Lullabye]

I was going to complain, but then they said that they would put in way more types of armor to make up for it. SO its all good in my book. Besides, dont we just end up running around naked anyway?

 

[Assassin Xaero]

Yesh, for all that people go on about how great this game is or how stupid things are in it when it hasn't even be released yet... ugh... I'm tempted to turn my internet off from 11/11 to 2012...

OT: Meh, is it really that big of a deal? If it is, don't play the game...

 

[Knight Templar]

So I can't be half-naked?
How ever shall I roleplay an indecisive nudist now?

Honestly though I don't like that idea, of course if there are a lot more armour types and models to compensate then it isn't a huge issue, unless I find the best looking chest piece and the best looking pants are not in the same item.

 

[Dumori]

What does this have to do with pants?

What do you mean? Are you quoting me just for a chance to use that bad joke? It's pretty clear what my comment has to do with this thread.

Its less customization. Oblivion decreased the armor slots from 11 to 6 (I think it was 11), and now it is down to 5. Skills and stats are being constantly mutilated and stripped. There's a huge difference "action game with RPG elements" and "action RPG"... Bethesda is intent on pushing that difference as far as they can. I sincerely doubt they give a shit about making their game an RPG anymore. They just want to make a shallow and pointless action game under the pretense of an RPG to sell to the masses. Fucking sell-outs.

Five seperate pieces of armor could actually be considered an improvement, seeing as Fallout 3 had a grand total of three armor slots (counting glasses as a type of armor). As long as I can have asymmetrical arms, I'm happy.

Morrowind was the last TES game that let you have asymmetrical arms, IIRC (talking about vanilla versions of the game, of course).

The subtraction is such a minor difference that only min/maxers would get angry over the issue. Anything that pisses them off makes me even happier.

The ways I see it, the aesthetics are more important to the developers than the extra armor slot. Sucks if you don't like it, but that's your opinion, and it's probably not going to change anything. I for one could not care less, and am still eagerly anticipating the game.

Asmetric arms where fun for reasons over than minmaxing. It let you have the haphazard adventure look. Or the wareing the best stuff I own with no regaurds to style look. (not min maxing persay just makign the most of the low level crap you had).