Poll: the supernatural

[0p3rati0n]

you believe trillions of galaxies in this demension and the next can be held together by super strings vibrating in the 10th demension and yet you find it hard to imagine that a human mind can find a way to continue existing without a corporeal form?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak5IA4TPHac

why must you hate on quantum possiblity?

ok good so let me go on. Why do you think there is no outer power (aka GOD) I think you put god as a person more or less a power. God is infinity, side eight, etc. That's why "he" has always been there/ here. When I get the question why doesn't god help us with our problems. It's because he helps our inner straight. He can help externally. But that's only if you say it was him and his work.

Look at nature it could never happen on it's own. If it did how. Evolution? Ok then how did that happen? the big bang? Ok then how did that happen? dust particles collecting in space where nothing is there? Ok then how did that happen? That's the dead end. That's the part scientists can't figure out and will never will.

Scientist also are trying to find out what powers the power of an atom. That's another thing they will never find out.

So work off that.

Look people, I'm not saying that science has an answer for every question and I don't deny that things like origin of the universe or the very nature of existence and non-existence lie beyond our ability to reason, but I know what people mean by "supernatural" and I know it's all bollocks. Were not talking about human conciousness existing in alternative universe (which is something probable IMO), but about ghosts, psychics and other things that we know are impossible in this world (even with the quantum string theory) and in fact are widely documented as frauds and illusions.

Well congrats retard your not a complete atheist!

No, I'm not a complete materialist, but I don't believe in an omnipotent intellect, so I am an atheist.
Also I'm not intellectualy retarded, which you can clearly see by the fact that I speak two languages and my current occupation.
kthxbai

wow ok I can't go on. I'm not here to convert you. More or less to show you what in my thoughts are. That's one reason we are here. So believe what you believe and I'll believe what I believe. But just remember this there are things in this life that we could never explain and it doesn't mean our minds are playing tricks. There is a lot more to this world. But something needs to help it come to be. So I can't go on with what your saying. Case closed on this person.

Seriously? You are frustrated? What about him? You called him a retard, and then proceeded to counter his points with "well God did it and you dont get it so there."

Frustrated? yes
Overwhelmed? yes
out of mind? yes

Sorry I've been overwhelmed by the quotes and I want to explain everything in what I believe in. Which got me frustrated. So my mind go out of sense and I said somethings that I should of said. So I apologize for my rudeness. What you said "well god did it and you don't get it so there" I'm not saying that. I could say that and be a complete f***tard to everyone and the universe. But no. So once again I apologize for any rudeness I have said.

 

[0p3rati0n]

You think Disney World wouldn't be all over that shit if they could get it for real, instead of just using Animatronics and, fog machines and GCI projectors? You think pharmaceutical companies would be hording the rights for rituals? If it were real it wouldn't be grannies, weirdos, and cultists communing and practicing magic - it'd be industries. If it were real, everyone and their mother would be practicing it.

hey. hey! HEY! I patricianly like disney in a matter of fact! ~

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

You think Disney World wouldn't be all over that shit if they could get it for real, instead of just using Animatronics and, fog machines and GCI projectors? You think pharmaceutical companies would be hording the rights for rituals? If it were real it wouldn't be grannies, weirdos, and cultists communing and practicing magic - it'd be industries. If it were real, everyone and their mother would be practicing it.

hey. hey! HEY! I patricianly like disney in a matter of fact! ~

I'm also a fan of corporate love. But seriously, if there was real magic, where else would you expect it to be? My proof that there's no magic? Disney World uses animatronics.

 

[Wide White]

I wish I had, and I wish I believed in it, but unfortunately I haven't and I don't.

I must be the only atheist and sceptic who wishes they believed in God and the supernatural (sorry if it sounds like I'm comparing God to ghosts, that isn't my intention - I'm just too lazy to construct that better).

then why don't you???

 

[Glerken]

There is no supernatural.
Just because you can't find explaination for something, doesn't mean it happens against the laws of physics.
I've experienced some highly improbable coincidences and tricks played by my mind, but I was never dumb enough to call it "paranormal", "supernatural" or "magic".

Sorry for being such a buzz-kill.

Ditto

ok let me ask something before I go into something. Are you both atheist?

I am. And?

ok good so let me go on. Why do you think there is no outer power (aka GOD) I think you put god as a person more or less a power. God is infinity, side eight, etc. That's why "he" has always been there/ here. When I get the question why doesn't god help us with our problems. It's because he helps our inner straight. He can help externally. But that's only if you say it was him and his work.

Look at nature it could never happen on it's own. If it did how. Evolution? Ok then how did that happen? the big bang? Ok then how did that happen? dust particles collecting in space where nothing is there? Ok then how did that happen? That's the dead end. That's the part scientists can't figure out and will never will.

Scientist also are trying to find out what powers the power of an atom. That's another thing they will never find out.

So work off that.

As to religion, which has zero proof whatsoever, except for a book written by man. I book with many flaws and contradictions. You'd think if it was that important they'd get it right.
Don't undermine science my good fellow, at least we're trying.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

I wish I had, and I wish I believed in it, but unfortunately I haven't and I don't.

I must be the only atheist and sceptic who wishes they believed in God and the supernatural (sorry if it sounds like I'm comparing God to ghosts, that isn't my intention - I'm just too lazy to construct that better).

then why don't you???

I'm also an atheist and I see the appeal in belief. There's a lot of promise involved in supernatural beliefs: protection, wholesomeness, immortality. When you're a strong atheist (meaning, supernatural = no) you know (pardon my certainty) that when your brain dies, you're gone. You'd like to believe there's more after death but you know that your "mortal" life is all you get - and after that, you don't even get to suffer in hell. No thought, no consciousness. The atheist "afterlife" is the worst.

It's not about what you like. It's about reality. The reality you won't escape.

 

[0p3rati0n]

You think Disney World wouldn't be all over that shit if they could get it for real, instead of just using Animatronics and, fog machines and GCI projectors? You think pharmaceutical companies would be hording the rights for rituals? If it were real it wouldn't be grannies, weirdos, and cultists communing and practicing magic - it'd be industries. If it were real, everyone and their mother would be practicing it.

hey. hey! HEY! I patricianly like disney in a matter of fact! ~

I'm also a fan of corporate love. But seriously, if there was real magic, where else would you expect it to be? My proof that there's no magic? Disney World uses animatronics.

OMG are you that dense or are you pulling my leg here?! Disney is a place of happiness, fun, and fantasy! Of course there's no real magic. But that's half the fun. To pretend there is real magic. It's used as a term to help give you a better time and have more fun. When you see Peter Pan pretend he's the real deal. You might have more fun if you pretend there is real magic. Look around in the park and you'll see people do that. Why?! To have a good time. Next thing you'll be telling me that there is no imagination put into their rides either (if not joking around with me)

 

[Wide White]

I wish I had, and I wish I believed in it, but unfortunately I haven't and I don't.

I must be the only atheist and sceptic who wishes they believed in God and the supernatural (sorry if it sounds like I'm comparing God to ghosts, that isn't my intention - I'm just too lazy to construct that better).

then why don't you???

I'm also an atheist and I see the appeal in belief. There's a lot of promise involved in supernatural beliefs: protection, wholesomeness, immortality. When you're a strong atheist (meaning, supernatural = no) you know (pardon my certainty) that when your brain dies, you're gone. You'd like to believe there's more after death but you know that your "mortal" life is all you get - and after that, you don't even get to suffer in hell. No thought, no consciousness. The atheist "afterlife" is the worst.

It's not about what you like. It's about reality. The reality you won't escape.

You don't know that for sure, and you can't say you do either. If you believe and your wrong, oh well. But if you don't belive and your wrong, well, you missed out on a lot, my friend

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

OMG are you that dense or are you pulling my leg here?! Disney is a place of happiness, fun, and fantasy! Of course there's no real magic. But that's half the fun. To pretend there is real magic. It's used as a term to help give you a better time and have more fun. When you see Peter Pan pretend he's the real deal. You might have more fun if you pretend there is real magic. Look around in the park and you'll see people do that. Why?! To have a good time. Next thing you'll be telling me that there is no imagination put into their rides either (if not joking around with me)

Um, I'm not saying I don't enjoy Disney World. It's a fun place. I'm saying magic doesn't exist because Disney World uses animatronics. If there was real magic, wouldn't they be using the real deal?

I'm not ragging on Disney World or saying it's crappy because they use "fake magic." I'm saying magic is not real and look at Disney World. It's a fun place of fantasy and escapism. I'm not denying that. Just, please tell me, that you realize they're not using real magic. It's all fungineered.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

You don't know that for sure, and you can't say you do either. If you believe and your wrong, oh well. But if you don't belive and your wrong, well, you missed out on a lot, my friend

Well, here's hoping I'm wrong. I'd take your hell over my end.

In the meantime, I'm not devoting my life to what I believe to be misguided. You don't apply to every religion just to make sure, right?

 

[0p3rati0n]

OMG are you that dense or are you pulling my leg here?! Disney is a place of happiness, fun, and fantasy! Of course there's no real magic. But that's half the fun. To pretend there is real magic. It's used as a term to help give you a better time and have more fun. When you see Peter Pan pretend he's the real deal. You might have more fun if you pretend there is real magic. Look around in the park and you'll see people do that. Why?! To have a good time. Next thing you'll be telling me that there is no imagination put into their rides either (if not joking around with me)

Um, I'm not saying I don't enjoy Disney World. It's a fun place. I'm saying magic doesn't exist because Disney World uses animatronics. If there was real magic, wouldn't they be using the real deal?

I'm not ragging on Disney World or saying it's crappy because they use "fake magic." I'm saying magic is not real and look at Disney World. It's a fun place of fantasy and escapism. I'm not denying that. Just, please tell me, that you realize they're not using real magic. It's all fungineered.

That's all I'm saying.

you still don't get it don't you!?

 

[Wide White]

You don't know that for sure, and you can't say you do either. If you believe and your wrong, oh well. But if you don't believe and your wrong, well, you missed out on a lot, my friend

Well, here's hoping I'm wrong. I'd take your hell over my end.

Then why not take my heaven. Join me there, or at least pretend too...

No, but seriously, your choice is your own, all I can do is answer any of those questionnaire atheists questioning and making fun of me over teh internets while I live life and love every second of it.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

you still don't get it don't you!?

Disney World is not magic. That's just a statement - a fact. I'm not trying to ruin it for you. It's a cool place. I want to go back there some day.

Do we understand each other?

 

[UltimatheChosen]

You don't know that for sure, and you can't say you do either. If you believe and your wrong, oh well. But if you don't belive and your wrong, well, you missed out on a lot, my friend

Well, here's hoping I'm wrong. I'd take your hell over my end.

In the meantime, I'm not devoting my life to what I believe to be misguided. You don't apply to every religion just to make sure, right?

Precisely. I don't believe in God because it strains credibility to think that an all powerful being would create us, give us the power of logic and reason, then demand that we IGNORE logic and reason and say that he exists. If somebody wants me to do something, they had damn well better prove to me that they're real.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

You don't know that for sure, and you can't say you do either. If you believe and your wrong, oh well. But if you don't believe and your wrong, well, you missed out on a lot, my friend

Well, here's hoping I'm wrong. I'd take your hell over my end.

Then why not take my heaven. Join me there, or at least pretend too...

No, but seriously, your choice is your own all I can do is answer any of those questionnaire atheists questioning and making fun of me over teh internets while I live life and love every second of it.

Because I'm ethnically Jewish, for one, and I'm aware that there are more religions that contradict your own. If you really believe in Pascal's Wager, you should join ever religion - and frankly, I can't see any reason why I'd believe in your religion over any other. Perhaps your god will be lenient to me if I stick by my true convictions.

Can you accept that?

 

[lizards]

ya i have dont want to talk about it though

 

[Wide White]

You don't know that for sure, and you can't say you do either. If you believe and your wrong, oh well. But if you don't believe and your wrong, well, you missed out on a lot, my friend

Well, here's hoping I'm wrong. I'd take your hell over my end.

Then why not take my heaven. Join me there, or at least pretend too...

No, but seriously, your choice is your own all I can do is answer any of those questionnaire atheists questioning and making fun of me over teh internets while I live life and love every second of it.

Because I'm ethnically Jewish, for one, and I'm aware that there are more religions that contradict your own. If you really believe in Pascal's Wager, you should join ever religion - and frankly, I can't see any reason why I'd believe in your religion over any other. Perhaps your god will be lenient to me if I stick by my true convictions.

Can you accept that?

Yeah, I think that's all that matters anyways, I wasn't trying to convert you or anything, I was just pointing that out.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

You don't know that for sure, and you can't say you do either. If you believe and your wrong, oh well. But if you don't belive and your wrong, well, you missed out on a lot, my friend

Well, here's hoping I'm wrong. I'd take your hell over my end.

In the meantime, I'm not devoting my life to what I believe to be misguided. You don't apply to every religion just to make sure, right?

Precisely. I don't believe in God because it strains credibility to think that an all powerful being would create us, give us the power of logic and reason, then demand that we IGNORE logic and reason and say that he exists. If somebody wants me to do something, they had damn well better prove to me that they're real.

To be fair, we don't have as much logic as we think we do. There are plenty of gaps in human awareness that we're not conscious of, such as intentional stance - or "folk psychology." Intentional stance, by the way, partially explains how supernatural beliefs developed.

Anyway, interesting tidbit - you're actually colourblind in your peripheral vision. I'm never aware of it, but you actually can't see colour there.

Check out Daniel Dennett's Breaking The Spell.

 

[UltimatheChosen]

You don't know that for sure, and you can't say you do either. If you believe and your wrong, oh well. But if you don't belive and your wrong, well, you missed out on a lot, my friend

Well, here's hoping I'm wrong. I'd take your hell over my end.

In the meantime, I'm not devoting my life to what I believe to be misguided. You don't apply to every religion just to make sure, right?

Precisely. I don't believe in God because it strains credibility to think that an all powerful being would create us, give us the power of logic and reason, then demand that we IGNORE logic and reason and say that he exists. If somebody wants me to do something, they had damn well better prove to me that they're real.

To be fair, we don't have as much logic as we think we do. There are plenty of gaps in human awareness that we're not conscious of, such as intentional stance - or "folk psychology." Intentional stance, by the way, partially explains how supernatural beliefs developed.

Anyway, interesting tidbit - you're actually colourblind in your peripheral vision. I'm never aware of it, but you actually can't see colour there.

Fair enough. But that's why I try to take everything I hear and see (and even think about) with a grain of salt. Your own thought processes are often unreliable, since you often rely on them without question. It's one of the reasons why some people have trouble admitting that they have mental issues (hallucinations, etc.). It's natural to believe what it is that you see and hear, but your mind can play tricks on you sometimes. Thoughts do the same thing.

I tend to go through the devil's advocate routine with just about everything that crosses my mind.

 

[vede]

You don't know that for sure, and you can't say you do either. If you believe and your wrong, oh well. But if you don't belive and your wrong, well, you missed out on a lot, my friend

People need to stop using Pascal's Wager!

It does not work. At all.

What if some other god, not the Judeo-Christian God, is the one that exists, and it punishes people who don't believe in him? Turns out your "believing not because I have evidence but because I don't want bad stuff to happen to me" thing suddenly goes all to shit.

Sorry for the hostility but this idea has been shot down so many times it's ridiculous that people still use it.