Poll: What do you think of the WiiU now?

[Dragonbums]

Oh and fire hopping ;p

Can you tell me what the appeal of bayonetta is? Is it just gameplay or do people actually like the character?[/quote]

While I don't personally think she is attractive (although I like her design) the appeal of Bayonetta for me personally is just how the game doesn't take itself with even a modicum of seriousness.

I figured that out when during the beginning credits before the game starts when it hits the name of the producer a fat guy is taking a long as hell piss on his "gravestone".

Then it really hit home to me when one of the mini bosses you fight is some happily moaning, and orgasmic bayonetta clone appropriately titled "Ecstasy" and "Joy". That's skipping over a huge chunk of weird shit that happens in the first hour of the game.

The gameplay itself is actually pretty in depth. Very in depth actually. Getting the platinum trophy requires you to never get hit once, nor every using health items. Something you simply cannot achieve if you don't have a very good grasp on the battle techniques.

Over all, the game is never meant to be taken seriously. Ever. That's the joy of it all.

 

[Kotaro]

I've loved my Wii U since the day I first got it. New Super Mario Bros. U, Wind Waker HD, ZombiU, Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 8, Pikmin 3, EarthBound on Virtual Console, plus the promise of Bayonetta 2, X (now called Xenoblade Chronicles X), and Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem... it's the only current-gen console with any games that I care about!

And after this E3 and all the amazing stuff that Nintendo pulled out for it, I'm even more giddy than I was before. The Wii U wasn't in the BEST spot before, but it's getting better all the time.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I don't feel compelled to buy any current/next gen consoles, period. Points for showing gameplay and whatever but I just don't care about the games. I'll do what I do with every generation, jump aboard by the time all the good games have been filtered with cult classic reviews and GotY editions. Doesn't hurt they're all cheaper by then too.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

I don't understand it. A bunch of people on Twitter say that Nintendo should go software only, even though they revealed a TON of great games today.

Why should they do that when the Wii U is getting games?

On topic, yes. I am now interested in getting a Wii U. 2015 looks to be a great year not just for the Wii U, but for gamers in general.

Because the thing they do well is games. The thing they have done poorly is all the stuff around those games. What's more, the strategy behind their console line was (and still is - bear in mind a 600% jump over next to no sales still isn't great) failing miserably. Being lower powered and very different meant that porting to the WiiU wouldn't be cost effective unless it would offer a substantial install base - something Nintendo failed to foster in the 18 month lead they had over the PS4 and Xbox One. They've also traditionally handled everything on their systems poorly from rights management to internet related anything.

Ultimately, what people like about Nintendo generally isn't the hardware but the software. If they cannot figure out how to push hardware for their software, the alternative to going games only is to collapse. Also, from a consumer angle, having access to Nintendo games without having to buy in to a platform that has not been particularly attractive to core gamers in the better part of a decade is a win.

 

[Arina Love]

WiiU has 3 games that i want to play on it, it's not enough, and none of them are released. They actually convinced me to buy 3ds while owning a Vita, they did it with 6 games. So i'm not writing off WiiU just yet.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

After E3 my feelings are unchanged, i have zero interest in the WiiU or the games that are released on them.

 

[ultrabiome]

I already had a Wii U, but only for a few weeks (got it a week before MK8). So far I have been happy with the system and the games, but lucky for me I am a fan of the core Mario 2D and 3D, DKC and MK. Going into e3 I have been doing a lot of research and realizing that I might be faced with a system with fun, fully developed, AAA Nintendo games that I truly like, but my choices are generally pretty slim otherwise outside of my Wii collection (which look absolutely great even if it is just upscaled). This also made me concerned about how other people would feel about it.

e3 made much less skeptical now, and I feel pretty happy that there will a good collection of Wii U games, even some more mature titles. Bayonetta 2 actually interests me enough to pick it up (having #1 included definitely helps). And all I could think of Zelda was 'looks like Skyrim' - so amazingly beautiful. Smash Bros continues to look great (Mega Man sold me already though. Pac-man though brings a smile). Most of the rest was a 'looks really cool, but probably not enough to buy' for me (bring me Super Mario Galaxy 3! - but I can wait if it means Nintendo squeezing every last drop of power to make it absolutely stunning). Yarn Yoshi and Clay Kirby look fantastic though, and that paint squid game has awesome potential.

Nintendo really needs to stop downplaying the VC (and access to the Wii and Wii VC), increase the number of Wii U VC titles, etc. I realize them bringing GBA games to the Wii U VC is a big deal, but there are hundreds of games on the Wii VC right now that many Wii U owners are blind to knowing they have access too (although it does require at least a wii-mote... something Nintendo might fix someday...). Otherwise I think they are on a solid path to keep building the Wii U base.

 

[VG_Addict]

I don't understand it. A bunch of people on Twitter say that Nintendo should go software only, even though they revealed a TON of great games today.

Why should they do that when the Wii U is getting games?

On topic, yes. I am now interested in getting a Wii U. 2015 looks to be a great year not just for the Wii U, but for gamers in general.

Because the thing they do well is games. The thing they have done poorly is all the stuff around those games. What's more, the strategy behind their console line was (and still is - bear in mind a 600% jump over next to no sales still isn't great) failing miserably. Being lower powered and very different meant that porting to the WiiU wouldn't be cost effective unless it would offer a substantial install base - something Nintendo failed to foster in the 18 month lead they had over the PS4 and Xbox One. They've also traditionally handled everything on their systems poorly from rights management to internet related anything.

Ultimately, what people like about Nintendo generally isn't the hardware but the software. If they cannot figure out how to push hardware for their software, the alternative to going games only is to collapse. Also, from a consumer angle, having access to Nintendo games without having to buy in to a platform that has not been particularly attractive to core gamers in the better part of a decade is a win.

The Gamecube was their last good console.

Do you think they should go software only?

Would you say they're only good at games?

 

[Dragonbums]

I was going to buy one anyway. It's all a matter of saving up money for me.

 

[Bombiz]

I have gained interest mostly because of Hyrule Warriors and Bayonetta 2. Though i'm still hesitant to get one Since I already got a 3DS XL in march that I hardly use (only have 1 game for it).

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

The Gamecube was their last good console.

Do you think they should go software only?

Would you say they're only good at games?

I have no interest in purchasing a WiiU but I would like to play several of their games. I would thus personally benefit. That said, if Nintendo can figure out how to sell the Wii U in significant numbers such that ports to the platform become fairly good, I'd be willing to consider getting one.

Of course it is worth noting that I have just about zero interest in the Xbox One and PS4 at this point in time.

 

[themistermanguy]

Nintendo finnaly justified the Wii U's existence for me, The games announced are actually interesting, and not the bland mediocrity of last year. Looking foward to seeing more of Smash, Splatoon, Star Fox, Zelda, Giant Robot, Bayonetta 2, XCX, etc.

 

[Unspoken_Request]

I know I am far from the first to write this but, with all of their IPs and the importance of the nostalgia factor in gaming these days, WiiU could have easily been the dominant console if they had done it right (i.e. get the same third-party games as the others).

Maybe I am naive, but I do not understand why this was so hard for them and/or why they are reluctant to commit to this strategy.

Why is it so hard for Nintendo to directly compete with Microsoft and Sony in terms of raw power and do what is necessary to attract third-party titles?

I know that they have an history of not playing nice with third-party developers and that their Internet services are lackluster, but I do not see why this can't be changed.

What would they lose by doing this?

And to answer the poll's question: I am mostly a PC gamer. I own a PS3 which serves mostly as my bluray player. I was not planning to buy a WiiU, but after E3 I could end up buying one in 2015. I will definitely look at how Zelda and Mario Maker are received.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

I know I am far from the first to write this but, with all of their IPs and the importance of the nostalgia factor in gaming these days, WiiU could have easily been the dominant console if they had done it right (i.e. get the same third-party games as the others).

Maybe I am naive, but I do not understand why this was so hard for them and/or why they are reluctant to commit to this strategy.

Why is it so hard for Nintendo to directly compete with Microsoft and Sony in terms of raw power and do what is necessary to attract third-party titles?

I know that they have an history of not playing nice with third-party developers and that their Internet services are lackluster, but I do not see why this can't be changed.

What would they lose by doing this?

And to answer the poll's question: I am mostly a PC gamer. I own a PS3 which serves mostly as my bluray player. I was not planning to buy a WiiU, but after E3 I could end up buying one in 2015. I will definitely look at how Zelda and Mario Maker are received.

Because it's repeatedly been shown that power is nowhere near as important as craftsmanship. 3rd parties refuse to work with Nintendo not because they're hard to work with (seriously, read about any outside dev team who's worked with Nintendo recently and they sing nothing but praises for the company), or because of technical limitations (most devs never tap a console's true power). No, the reason they get pissy with Nintendo is because Nintendo refuses to SPOIL them. They help and respect 3rd parties, but Nintendo is not their nanny; they are not going to coddle them and they certainly aren't going to moneyhat them. Nintendo hasn't really done much wrong themselves they just have the unfortunate luck of having to be in an era where a vast majority of important 3rd parties are a bunch of spoiled, undisciplined brats.

 

[tstorm823]

I figure this is as good a place to mention this as anywhere. For the times I've seen comments about knocking off the gamepad and selling it for $200, apparently you can get a refurbished 32gb wiiu with the gamepad and nintendoland from Nintendo for $200. So that's a thing.

 

[Unspoken_Request]

Because it's repeatedly been shown that power is nowhere near as important as craftsmanship. 3rd parties refuse to work with Nintendo not because they're hard to work with (seriously, read about any outside dev team who's worked with Nintendo recently and they sing nothing but praises for the company), or because of technical limitations (most devs never tap a console's true power). No, the reason they get pissy with Nintendo is because Nintendo refuses to SPOIL them. They help and respect 3rd parties, but Nintendo is not their nanny; they are not going to coddle them and they certainly aren't going to moneyhat them. Nintendo hasn't really done much wrong themselves they just have the unfortunate luck of having to be in an era where a vast majority of important 3rd parties are a bunch of spoiled, undisciplined brats.

The line between "working well with others" and actually "spoiling" is not as clear as you make it out to be. It might be spoiling from the point of view of Nintendo, but it might just be normal support from the point of view of third party devs...

On that issue, what do you make of the eurogamer article written by an anonymous third party developer who made a game on the Wii U? Is it just false?
The author seemed to have legitimate criticisms of Nintendo's approach with third-party devs. His expectations of support from Nintendo seemed very sensible to me.

The most important thing I think for you to consider is that you play the game as it is, not as you would want it to be. It is a conscious choice: either Nintendo wants the big third party games or they don't.
If they do, they need to be as supportive of third-party as their competitors. Failure to do so just means that they don't really care about it.

On power, I agree that craftsmanship is more important, but it really depends on the types of games. Also, it is much harder for a third party dev to develop a game for a console if that console is in a different league compared to the other two consoles(and compared to PC) for which the game is being developped.

 

[Lunar Templar]

They are finally starting to build up a list of games I want, so I'm actually considering getting one now.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

The line between "working well with others" and actually "spoiling" is not as clear as you make it out to be. It might be spoiling from the point of view of Nintendo, but it might just be normal support from the point of view of third party devs...

On that issue, what do you make of the eurogamer article written by an anonymous third party developer who made a game on the Wii U? Is it just false?
The author seemed to have legitimate criticisms of Nintendo's approach with third-party devs. His expectations of support from Nintendo seemed very sensible to me.

The most important thing I think for you to consider is that you play the game as it is, not as you would want it to be. It is a conscious choice: either Nintendo wants the big third party games or they don't.
If they do, they need to be as supportive of third-party as their competitors. Failure to do so just means that they don't really care about it.

On power, I agree that craftsmanship is more important, but it really depends on the types of games. Also, it is much harder for a third party dev to develop a game for a console if that console is in a different league compared to the other two consoles(and compared to PC) for which the game is being developped.

I think about it this way: an anecdote from ONE anonymous guy or the DOZENS of people giving their praise openly, including people from small indie studios. When smalltime devs like Yacht Club Games, Wayforward, Eden Industries, etc are able to get support from Nintendo with no issue I very much doubt far larger companies would have trouble getting Nintendo's attention.

You're not talking about some starving artists here, you're talking about HUGE companies worth hundreds of millions if not outright BILLIONS of dollars. And these guys expect a handout? No, that is NOT how things are supposed to work in the real world. If that is how the game is played then don't play it. In fact, burn it to the ground while you're at it considering how rotten and rigged that is. They care about 3rd parties, but they are NOT going to be their dogs.

I'm going to tell you EXACTLY what's going to happen with Nintendo and 3rd parties: 3rd parties will just keep holding out, thinking that they can get Nintendo to give them some of that enormous war chest. But Nintendo won't. Instead they're going to learn how to become more self-sufficient. They're just going to expand, start filling in other niches they haven't really messed with before, making their 1st party lineup even more diverse, and thus becoming even stronger as a brand with it ending with 3rd parties being STUNNED that Nintendo did that. How do I know this? History. The N64, the Gamecube, the Wii, even their handhelds made them utilize that kind of strategy. If 3rd parties are going to act like assholes then screw 'em, make up their lack of effort by redoubling their own. You'd think that 3rd parties would recognize the pattern by now, but it seems that no matter how many times it repeats itself they're still shocked by it.

 

[Blitsie]

Well, it went from "not buying it" to "might buy it if I come across a crazy special", its got a pretty great lineup going for it.

 

[EvilRoy]

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I think about it this way: an anecdote from ONE anonymous guy or the DOZENS of people giving their praise openly, including people from small indie studios. When smalltime devs like Yacht Club Games, Wayforward, Eden Industries, etc are able to get support from Nintendo with no issue I very much doubt far larger companies would have trouble getting Nintendo's attention.

You're not talking about some starving artists here, you're talking about HUGE companies worth hundreds of millions if not outright BILLIONS of dollars. And these guys expect a handout? No, that is NOT how things are supposed to work in the real world. If that is how the game is played then don't play it. In fact, burn it to the ground while you're at it considering how rotten and rigged that is. They care about 3rd parties, but they are NOT going to be their dogs.

I'm going to tell you EXACTLY what's going to happen with Nintendo and 3rd parties: 3rd parties will just keep holding out, thinking that they can get Nintendo to give them some of that enormous war chest. But Nintendo won't. Instead they're going to learn how to become more self-sufficient. They're just going to expand, start filling in other niches they haven't really messed with before, making their 1st party lineup even more diverse, and thus becoming even stronger as a brand with it ending with 3rd parties being STUNNED that Nintendo did that. How do I know this? History. The N64, the Gamecube, the Wii, even their handhelds made them utilize that kind of strategy. If 3rd parties are going to act like assholes then screw 'em, make up their lack of effort by redoubling their own. You'd think that 3rd parties would recognize the pattern by now, but it seems that no matter how many times it repeats itself they're still shocked by it.

You're framing this situation as adversarial in nature, but it really isn't. Third party companies are not expecting Nintendo to give them some sort of financial incentive to gain their support, they are put off either by the number of consoles existing to reasonably gain sales on and/or the relation Nintendo typically carries with third party groups that wish to develop for their console.

To put it in simplified terms, Nintendo and EA are not partners. EA is a potential customer of Nintendo, and it is up to Nintendo to attract EA to want to be a customer of Nintendo. Neither group owes the other anything, and if EA feels that Nintendo cannot offer it a good reason to become a customer, then it simply won't. Since in this type of relationship "a good reason" would equal "enough sales to offset the drawbacks to working with Nintendo", EA in no way suffers for choosing not to become a customer of Nintendo. It doesn't matter what those drawbacks actually are, just that they exist and are factored in to a spreadsheet.

If anything EA choosing to develop for Nintendo right now, when they feel that the negatives outweigh the positives, would be doing Nintendo a favor. EA would be endangering its own profits and tying up its own resources to produce a product that would benefit Nintendo (by potentially attracting people to its system) while likely doing nothing for the actual creators.