I think they are a good band. They have some good songs, kinda repetitive, but better then the "swear every other second" songs. (is category real, i don't know... but i think yes.)
Poll: Why the hate for Dragonforce?
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Refer to my comment on the page before this my Angelo loving friend, lol.
Besides, Paul Gilbert and his famous understudy Buckethead would also like in on that conference.
Besides, Paul Gilbert and his famous understudy Buckethead would also like in on that conference.
You gotta love any band that's so completely bonkers and blatantly, gratuitously OTT with no shame. it's what metal is all about.
I dont own anything by em though I do respect what they do.
I dont own anything by em though I do respect what they do.
i like Dragonforce, but not as much as Huey Lewis & the News. never heard of them? oh, but you've seen back to the future, so according to the transitive property, you fail completely as a functional human being. but i digest.
yes, the lead singer does have that opera rock voice, and some people today think it's g3y because their used to metal sounding like Slipknot, System of a down, Godsmack, Lamb of god, what not with the really deep and gritty angry tone. what i don't like about this is that HELLO? DIO? AXEL RUDI PELL? JOURNEY? (wait, what?) IRON MAIDEN? HELLOWEEN? DREAM THEATER? REMEMBER THESE GUYS? come on people, they rocked! where did the golden years go? it is up to Dragonforce to reclaim those lost years, i wish they would do a much better fucking job about it though.
there are two lead guitarists because their solos are too complex to do alone, Sam and Herman Lee (asian dude with seriously long hair, wtf?), and they both can "shred". yes, i guess they can, but they're fixated on the idea that they've 'found their sound'. they said that in an interview, and then i figured out why they were being repetitive half the time. but they've still made some good songs.
they have several good decent that stand out among the rest:
-Through The Fire and Flames - inhuman rampage (OMG, i can't even do hard but i pwn medium, wtf?!?! but still, this songs defines epic)
-Operation Ground and Pound - Inhuman Rampage (the video kicks ass, and they actually mix it up a little)
-Valley of the Damned - the valley of the damned (it's really old, so original, it's quite different per say)
-Fury of the storm - Sonic Firestorm (probably the best of the repetitive, so don't listen to the other repetitive ones)
-Strike of the Ninja - Ultra Beatdown (it's only 3 minutes, the keyboardist gets more spotlight, a bit more original, and IT'S AWESOME)
-Where Dragons Rule - ??????? (again, 5 minutes quite short, and OMG, MOST EPIC SONG EVER, TOPS THROUGH THE FIRE AND FLAMES a little)
-Dawn over a new world - Sonic Firestorm (for a speed metal band, they made a slow song with the piano and acoustic guitar and what not)
-Lost Souls In Endless Time (inhuman rampage special edition) - Lost Souls In Endless Time - Single ((man, that's a mouth full) anyway, this song stood out because the keyboardist got more air time again, but this was back when people were starting to say they were repetitive. you can also hear a bit of screamo if you listen closely)
- A Flame For Freedom - Ultra Beatdown (they really slowed the tempo, giving a different feeling of epic)
so yeah, these are only the unique ones, i don't like all of 'em. Through the fire and flames, strike of the ninja, and Where dragons rule are my personal favorite. each song is different, two of them aren't a flippin hour long, and they're all super epic.
yes, the lead singer does have that opera rock voice, and some people today think it's g3y because their used to metal sounding like Slipknot, System of a down, Godsmack, Lamb of god, what not with the really deep and gritty angry tone. what i don't like about this is that HELLO? DIO? AXEL RUDI PELL? JOURNEY? (wait, what?) IRON MAIDEN? HELLOWEEN? DREAM THEATER? REMEMBER THESE GUYS? come on people, they rocked! where did the golden years go? it is up to Dragonforce to reclaim those lost years, i wish they would do a much better fucking job about it though.
there are two lead guitarists because their solos are too complex to do alone, Sam and Herman Lee (asian dude with seriously long hair, wtf?), and they both can "shred". yes, i guess they can, but they're fixated on the idea that they've 'found their sound'. they said that in an interview, and then i figured out why they were being repetitive half the time. but they've still made some good songs.
they have several good decent that stand out among the rest:
-Through The Fire and Flames - inhuman rampage (OMG, i can't even do hard but i pwn medium, wtf?!?! but still, this songs defines epic)
-Operation Ground and Pound - Inhuman Rampage (the video kicks ass, and they actually mix it up a little)
-Valley of the Damned - the valley of the damned (it's really old, so original, it's quite different per say)
-Fury of the storm - Sonic Firestorm (probably the best of the repetitive, so don't listen to the other repetitive ones)
-Strike of the Ninja - Ultra Beatdown (it's only 3 minutes, the keyboardist gets more spotlight, a bit more original, and IT'S AWESOME)
-Where Dragons Rule - ??????? (again, 5 minutes quite short, and OMG, MOST EPIC SONG EVER, TOPS THROUGH THE FIRE AND FLAMES a little)
-Dawn over a new world - Sonic Firestorm (for a speed metal band, they made a slow song with the piano and acoustic guitar and what not)
-Lost Souls In Endless Time (inhuman rampage special edition) - Lost Souls In Endless Time - Single ((man, that's a mouth full) anyway, this song stood out because the keyboardist got more air time again, but this was back when people were starting to say they were repetitive. you can also hear a bit of screamo if you listen closely)
- A Flame For Freedom - Ultra Beatdown (they really slowed the tempo, giving a different feeling of epic)
so yeah, these are only the unique ones, i don't like all of 'em. Through the fire and flames, strike of the ninja, and Where dragons rule are my personal favorite. each song is different, two of them aren't a flippin hour long, and they're all super epic.
That is why Dragonforce opinion threads fail, as do all topics with similarly "black and white" sided debate. If you would please read again, I offered two shades of gray - one will always appear darker to you than the other. The point to be made was about constructive proactivity regarding "why people hate Dragonforce so much." Such a point cannot be made without the inclusion of personal opinion, and my personal opinion is one of dislike, not unabashed hate. Sorry if you don't share it with me.NeutralDrow said:
All are welcome to opinion, including those that disagree with mine. I offer tolerance to both sides in the form of "listen to more music, and decide if you really like what you like." If you like Dragonforce, that's fine - but there is a vast wealth of metal out there that might just change your mind. If you don't like Dragonforce, listen to something you do like and learn that bitching won't make it go away.
Everyone wins, unless you are so attached to your opinion that you are incapable of recognizing its ability to change at a moment's notice. Maybe tomorrow, Dragonforce will release a surprise record that I wind up listening to for years to come. I wait with hope for such a Sonic Firestorm. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIlUfoY10Vw]
I like them, although I have heard a lot of die-hard fans complain about how newer fans only like "Through The Fire And Flames" and that's it.
And I don't know why, but I get bashed a lot by some fans because I like the song "Starfire" more than some of their others.
And I don't know why, but I get bashed a lot by some fans because I like the song "Starfire" more than some of their others.
My mistake, then. Your post seemed to ring more of "Dragonforce fans need to leave us alone, and haters need to let Dragonforce fans listen to their crappy music in peace until we convince them to listen to something else," so I assumed from that that your opinion was of unabashed hate (delivered via extremely backhanded conciliation).CaptainCrunch said:
I guess I can understand that...actually, no, I don't. I understand and agree with preaching tolerance of the tastes of others, but the idea of not enjoying something any longer simply because there's something better out there is something I have trouble agreeing with. Tastes can change over time with exposure, of course, but your argument seems the equivalent of arguing that because I enjoy Soul Calibur most of Namco games, I should stop playing Tekken.
I suspect you're trying to argue more that if I played Wii Tennis I'd stop liking Pong, but either way it's just trading insulting someone else's taste for simple condescending to them (which is a step up from most internet arguments, granted, but still).
Frankly, if Ultra Beatdown isn't that surprise record, it's probably not going to come. It's easily their best album, I'd say.
As for the other things...I just don't like Black Metal vocals, I guess. The music in the Enslaved and Dragonlord songs were all right, and I can tolerate some viking metal stuff (especially Ensiferum and Finntroll), but I still prefer Tomi Putaansuu's or Hansi Kürsch's (occasional) growl over those.
It's a pretty stupid complaint in two ways. Partly because, TTFAF is not only one of their best songs, it's also the one with the most exposure, so naturally a lot of fans are going to know more about that (die-hard fans' fault). However, I have a lot of trouble imagining someone who could possibly like only that song out of Dragonforce's entire discography through anything but refusal to listen to anything else (or lack of exposure). I mean, hell, even if such a person didn't like their earlier stuff, I don't doubt they'd get some enjoyment out of "Revolution Deathsquad" or "Strike of the Ninja," at least (new fans' fault).Griever18 said:
As for "Starfire"...I have to admit, it's not one of my favorites (I like "Evening Star" and "Trail of Broken Hearts" most out of their slower songs), but bashing for that would be stupid.
I don't hate them, it's just not my thing. I like a balence between vocals and instrumentals and Dragonforce for me is too aggressive in both departments.
I don't mind them, but they are very, very repetitive.
Oh, and they were shit live, terribly out of time and completely and utterly drunk, so, most of the time, Li missed the strings, and, on one occasion, missed the guitar completely.
In hindsight, I guess that's kind of the point of being a rockstar, but its just that other bands I've seen live managed to juggle being professional and drinking to excess.
Oh, and they were shit live, terribly out of time and completely and utterly drunk, so, most of the time, Li missed the strings, and, on one occasion, missed the guitar completely.
In hindsight, I guess that's kind of the point of being a rockstar, but its just that other bands I've seen live managed to juggle being professional and drinking to excess.
I can't stand them mainly because I question their actual musical ability. I have a theory that they speed their recordings up, this is based on the fact they play stupidly fast stuff on their recording but fail to follow it up live. People defend this by saying "they are a studio band" which is silly because I believe that its the same thing as a pop singer not being able to sing in tune when they perform live.
Another thing I don't like about them is their fanbase is full of "Oh man, theres guys are amazing, they are so fast! Awesome!" Which is both blind and very foolish. Now I'm not saying just because they are fast they arn't worth it. In fact, I am a massive Dream Theater (who, less face it, are massively wanky) fan but the difference between them and and Dragonforce is Dream Theater do more. Dragonforce will never play in 5/4 over a 4/4 drum beat, they won't throw a ragtime piano solo in the middle of their songs (Man.. I need to listen to Dance of Eternety again..), in fact, all Dragonforce do is really fast and that is all their appeal.
No thanks.
Another thing I don't like about them is their fanbase is full of "Oh man, theres guys are amazing, they are so fast! Awesome!" Which is both blind and very foolish. Now I'm not saying just because they are fast they arn't worth it. In fact, I am a massive Dream Theater (who, less face it, are massively wanky) fan but the difference between them and and Dragonforce is Dream Theater do more. Dragonforce will never play in 5/4 over a 4/4 drum beat, they won't throw a ragtime piano solo in the middle of their songs (Man.. I need to listen to Dance of Eternety again..), in fact, all Dragonforce do is really fast and that is all their appeal.
No thanks.
Fast does not equal good. Yes they are skilled at hitting random notes really fast but it doesn't make them a good band. They churn out the same song all the time.
Come and talk to me when they release a song with the soul of Children of the Damned (Maiden) or One (Metallica).
Come and talk to me when they release a song with the soul of Children of the Damned (Maiden) or One (Metallica).
I saw them in Sydney last year, and they were amazing.
To all those who say that they suck live, i beg to differ.
Their music is good, but i suppose it's an acquired taste, but then again, so are most other forms of music.
To all those who say that they suck live, i beg to differ.
Their music is good, but i suppose it's an acquired taste, but then again, so are most other forms of music.
I'm willing to bet that John Myung can play faster than Herman Li, and he's the bassist for Dream Theater. That's saying something.
Where's "Mediocre and there's better power metal out there, and they're so overrated I would normally say bad but I actually kind of like them. I wouldn't listen to them in my spare time, but I can tolerate their songs, and they're sorta funny in a way."
edit: Oh, and pretty much every song is the same sounding. Though they vary a bit lyrically (sort of, though most songs are "We fought this shit and we won" effectively.
edit: Oh, and pretty much every song is the same sounding. Though they vary a bit lyrically (sort of, though most songs are "We fought this shit and we won" effectively.
Well there music is repetitive.
almost all forms of popular music today is repetitive.
Indy rock (they only know 5 chord)
classic rock (most only know 8 chords) (some exceptions though)
punk rock (3 chords)
rap (not music but poetry (most bad) but not music)
country (3 maybe 4 chords)
metal (usually only use 10 chords in a song)
the difference with metal is most of the time they actually know music theory or are skilled players.
Most others type of music rely solely off the lyric's to convey their point they are trying to achieve in there music. which in my opinion makes it more of a poetry than a form of music. If you want to here truly complex music than you should listen to modern classical/ jazz. There chord make up is very complex and never repetitive. Music unfortunately has lost a lot of complexity over the years because of the change in attitude towards it. In 1700 and 1800 music was something that you went to either dance (which was simpler and considered a lower form of music) or for intellectual music (the operas the symphonies concertos ect) which was meant to show off talent of the composer and the instrumental skill So music got naturally more and more complex.
This trend in music continued ended in the mid 1900's because the music that was entertained because the more discernible form of music in the society. When this shift happened music went form "that was really hard to play" to everyone "should be able preform are music". So in little over a century we went from Rachmaninoff's 2nd piano concerto being popular to green day. (i know this is a really simplified version of what happened but it links to my main point about dragonforce)
I personally like then because they show off there talent. Most popular bands dont do this anymore and its really a shame. There music is a bit repetitive but no less repetitive than any puck rock/ indy rock song. Its just about as repetitive as a bach piece.
They dont take the lyrics seriously, so they are putting more effort into the actually music part of the song not the words. I personally believe that words are the greatest limiter to music. Because its so easy to tell someone if you are happy or sad, its realy hard to make them feel it.
But iam very bias i play bass trombone professionally (and sing in the opera chorus bass) I view my instrument as much harder to play than to sing (i also think it sounds better than the human voice). So i only respect skill in music not words in music.
almost all forms of popular music today is repetitive.
Indy rock (they only know 5 chord)
classic rock (most only know 8 chords) (some exceptions though)
punk rock (3 chords)
rap (not music but poetry (most bad) but not music)
country (3 maybe 4 chords)
metal (usually only use 10 chords in a song)
the difference with metal is most of the time they actually know music theory or are skilled players.
Most others type of music rely solely off the lyric's to convey their point they are trying to achieve in there music. which in my opinion makes it more of a poetry than a form of music. If you want to here truly complex music than you should listen to modern classical/ jazz. There chord make up is very complex and never repetitive. Music unfortunately has lost a lot of complexity over the years because of the change in attitude towards it. In 1700 and 1800 music was something that you went to either dance (which was simpler and considered a lower form of music) or for intellectual music (the operas the symphonies concertos ect) which was meant to show off talent of the composer and the instrumental skill So music got naturally more and more complex.
This trend in music continued ended in the mid 1900's because the music that was entertained because the more discernible form of music in the society. When this shift happened music went form "that was really hard to play" to everyone "should be able preform are music". So in little over a century we went from Rachmaninoff's 2nd piano concerto being popular to green day. (i know this is a really simplified version of what happened but it links to my main point about dragonforce)
I personally like then because they show off there talent. Most popular bands dont do this anymore and its really a shame. There music is a bit repetitive but no less repetitive than any puck rock/ indy rock song. Its just about as repetitive as a bach piece.
They dont take the lyrics seriously, so they are putting more effort into the actually music part of the song not the words. I personally believe that words are the greatest limiter to music. Because its so easy to tell someone if you are happy or sad, its realy hard to make them feel it.
But iam very bias i play bass trombone professionally (and sing in the opera chorus bass) I view my instrument as much harder to play than to sing (i also think it sounds better than the human voice). So i only respect skill in music not words in music.