Poll: Why the hate for Dragonforce?
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Despite all of this, they can just move their fingers quickly, the music they create is horrible, and they really suck live. Plus, nearly every song they've done is about 7 minutes long.Lexodus said:
Their music is pretty repetitive. All their songs sound similar. That's my main problem with them. The fact that all of their songs are written to show off their talent speed just seems soulless in my opinion.
Also, I've heard that they can't play their music live... I'll reserve full judgement until after I hear them. I love live music; the thought that they can't play live is a bit perplexing.
But as I said, I'll wait til after I hear them live...
Also, I've heard that they can't play their music live... I'll reserve full judgement until after I hear them. I love live music; the thought that they can't play live is a bit perplexing.
But as I said, I'll wait til after I hear them live...
i hated them, but i saw them live and i'd be lying if i said they suck.
sure they ain't as good as Helloween (pre deris, I'm a kiske and Kai fanboy!) or Stratavarious or most other 'true' power metal bands, but they're fine live...
you need to remember, 90% of people bad mouthing them heard of them off guitar hero, and only know that one fucking song... and probably badmouth them because either the song was too hard or someone told them they speed up the music ( i lol hard at people who think the keyboard player is playing a guitar as well...)
9% of people who hate them are fans of emo, nu metal, metal core, shit core etc (i dunno what they're all called)
only 1% of people who hate them actually can point out the reason they dislike them is because they use repetitive power chords and simple blues scales, which they seem to play fast in the hopes that no one will notice that's what they're doing.
it's fine to dislike a band, but don't be such a tit to acually look up bands you don't like on youtube just to say 'LOL DIS BAND IS SHIT SLIPKNOT 4 LYF HURR DURR' and stuff to that effect.
oh yeah and guitar hero is shit, i bought GH3 then gave it to a friend shorty after... what garbage, why waste hundreds of hours playing it when you could learn to play actual guitar in less time than that? i mean really, i don't see how it's addictive or fun, but w/e floats your boat, i pretty much just play fps player so i wouldn't know much about games like GH or rock band...
1 more thing: lets not forget, Dragonforce are a speed/power metal band, they are meant to have lyrics about dragons and castles and shit... and the music IS meant to be very fast, although they do speed up their solos in the albums. And yes they can play their stuff live, very well infact, it sounds much better, my only complaint is the vocalist (ZP) uses many effects on his voice live, which seems kinda pointless tbh lol.
so ya no complaints from me as long as a load of Dragonforce clones do not appear... i think they're fine in their own way, far from my favourite band, but still alright... and since everyone around here loves power metal so much, thoughts on Polaris? I thought it was better than the recent Strat albums, but nothing compared to the 90's albums like Visions
EDIT: and no i am not a power metal fanboy! i obviously enjoy helloween and such (KOTSK) but i only dabble in that sort of thing, death metals where it's at, hence i have Chuck as my avatar...
sure they ain't as good as Helloween (pre deris, I'm a kiske and Kai fanboy!) or Stratavarious or most other 'true' power metal bands, but they're fine live...
you need to remember, 90% of people bad mouthing them heard of them off guitar hero, and only know that one fucking song... and probably badmouth them because either the song was too hard or someone told them they speed up the music ( i lol hard at people who think the keyboard player is playing a guitar as well...)
9% of people who hate them are fans of emo, nu metal, metal core, shit core etc (i dunno what they're all called)
only 1% of people who hate them actually can point out the reason they dislike them is because they use repetitive power chords and simple blues scales, which they seem to play fast in the hopes that no one will notice that's what they're doing.
it's fine to dislike a band, but don't be such a tit to acually look up bands you don't like on youtube just to say 'LOL DIS BAND IS SHIT SLIPKNOT 4 LYF HURR DURR' and stuff to that effect.
oh yeah and guitar hero is shit, i bought GH3 then gave it to a friend shorty after... what garbage, why waste hundreds of hours playing it when you could learn to play actual guitar in less time than that? i mean really, i don't see how it's addictive or fun, but w/e floats your boat, i pretty much just play fps player so i wouldn't know much about games like GH or rock band...
1 more thing: lets not forget, Dragonforce are a speed/power metal band, they are meant to have lyrics about dragons and castles and shit... and the music IS meant to be very fast, although they do speed up their solos in the albums. And yes they can play their stuff live, very well infact, it sounds much better, my only complaint is the vocalist (ZP) uses many effects on his voice live, which seems kinda pointless tbh lol.
so ya no complaints from me as long as a load of Dragonforce clones do not appear... i think they're fine in their own way, far from my favourite band, but still alright... and since everyone around here loves power metal so much, thoughts on Polaris? I thought it was better than the recent Strat albums, but nothing compared to the 90's albums like Visions
EDIT: and no i am not a power metal fanboy! i obviously enjoy helloween and such (KOTSK) but i only dabble in that sort of thing, death metals where it's at, hence i have Chuck as my avatar...
Axl Rose is a great singer and all but he would probably drive all the other members away and get all new ones so they wouldn't be the same band anymore, take 13 years off and bring out a new album with loads of hype that ends up awful... not that he hasn't done that already-Orgasmatron- said:
All they have going for them is fast.
And Herman isn't even all too fast considering they've deliberately sped up the sound in their studio albums. Go look up people who actually play at insanely fast speeds like Petrucci, Vai, Gilbert and the like. Even then, it's not just strumming a guitar as fast as you possibly can, they add technicality to it, and it makes Dragonforce look very very mediocre.
EDIT: If you just cant live without speed on guitar but you can't stand Dragonforce, just go look up Michael Angelo Batio. He plays a left-handed, right-handed guitar at the same time for Christ's sake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb5QaCfm7bg
Don't blink at 3:00
And Herman isn't even all too fast considering they've deliberately sped up the sound in their studio albums. Go look up people who actually play at insanely fast speeds like Petrucci, Vai, Gilbert and the like. Even then, it's not just strumming a guitar as fast as you possibly can, they add technicality to it, and it makes Dragonforce look very very mediocre.
EDIT: If you just cant live without speed on guitar but you can't stand Dragonforce, just go look up Michael Angelo Batio. He plays a left-handed, right-handed guitar at the same time for Christ's sake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb5QaCfm7bg
Don't blink at 3:00
LMAO well what I meant was the voice on that song could be abit more rough mcgruff, but your point was good to.BLS said:
I like them personally. They're good musicians and although they are fairly repetitive when it comes to what their songs are about I still like them none the less. However, I once had a mate of mine comment on them that he found that they just spend all their time showing off, which is a point about them.
I honestly don't care for any music group that creates a 7 minute song and over 5 minutes of it nothing but mediocre power cords. I have no problem with long songs like that (I love Zepplin), but I just do not care for DF. It's totally fine if others have differing opinions to mine, but, as I said, I find DF to be tedious and annoying.
I like their stuff a lot. They're the third band (along with Blind Guardian and Rhapsody) that ultimately got me into metal.
I mean, what else can I say? I like driving tempo and lyrics about dragons, warriors, determination, fire, awesomeness, and whatnot. Disciples of Babylon, Soldiers of the Wasteland, Revolution Deathsquad, and Last Journey Home are some of my most favorite songs. In fact, there's only a handful of their songs that I'm not too thrilled with (Storming the Burning Fields, Starfire, half of the Sonic Firestorm album, and especially A Flame For Freedom). Truth be told, I don't really care if their music is sped up in studio (it sounds good like that), and I've never really thought of them as "repetitive." I can see where the accusation comes from, but there's plenty of difference between their songs to tell them apart (even with certain motifs that are repeated, like the similar beginnings of "Prepare for War and "Fury of the Storm").
This is also another one of those instances where I haven't seen any of the zealous fans of something I like. Maybe I just ignore them instinctively, since almost the only times I see the band's name mentioned, it's always people saying they suck. That's all well and good, I guess, but I agree with the OP; it gets kind of obnoxious.
I mean, what else can I say? I like driving tempo and lyrics about dragons, warriors, determination, fire, awesomeness, and whatnot. Disciples of Babylon, Soldiers of the Wasteland, Revolution Deathsquad, and Last Journey Home are some of my most favorite songs. In fact, there's only a handful of their songs that I'm not too thrilled with (Storming the Burning Fields, Starfire, half of the Sonic Firestorm album, and especially A Flame For Freedom). Truth be told, I don't really care if their music is sped up in studio (it sounds good like that), and I've never really thought of them as "repetitive." I can see where the accusation comes from, but there's plenty of difference between their songs to tell them apart (even with certain motifs that are repeated, like the similar beginnings of "Prepare for War and "Fury of the Storm").
This is also another one of those instances where I haven't seen any of the zealous fans of something I like. Maybe I just ignore them instinctively, since almost the only times I see the band's name mentioned, it's always people saying they suck. That's all well and good, I guess, but I agree with the OP; it gets kind of obnoxious.
...it's like you made a conciliatory gesture with one hand and flipped me off with the other. I'm confused now.CaptainCrunch said:
the way i see it is, maybe people feel less manly when someone pulls a "JUST TRY TO PULL THIS OE OFF!" move. so they feel the need to shoot them down to feel like less of a prick. but honestly, let's see one of you guys pull off that guitar in real life. any takers? i fucking thought not. no GH3 doesn't count!
It might be a dick move to pull, but:sooperg said:
Can I do better? no. Have I seen done better? Absolutely.
I like their music but they're not nearly as talented as everyone thinks they are. Most of their sound comes from effect pedals, post prod audio editing, and synth instruments, and everyone's like "OOOH THEY'RE THE FASTEST GUITARISTS EVER"
Michael Angelo Batio would like a word with you guitar queeros
Michael Angelo Batio would like a word with you guitar queeros