Poll: Why the hate for Dragonforce?

[ultimatechance]

Repetitive and predictable chords make Dragonforce a very very dull band.

 

[Nadiril]

I used to listen to them alot, but nowadays i tend to listen to other music. Still, Disciples of Babylon and The Last journey Home were my favourites from them.

 

[Noamuth]

Repetitive and predictable chords make Dragonforce a very very dull band.

This.

Also, the lyrics are laughably bad, even for a cheesy power metal band.

They're just boring. The constant guitar-mashing isn't even impressive, because after a while it just gets very annoying, very fast.

I can see the talent there, in the band (save for the singer), I really can.. But the music itself is painful to listen to after about a minute.

 

[CaptainCrunch]

All are welcome to opinion, including those that disagree with mine. I offer tolerance to both sides in the form of "listen to more music, and decide if you really like what you like." If you like Dragonforce, that's fine - but there is a vast wealth of metal out there that might just change your mind. If you don't like Dragonforce, listen to something you do like and learn that bitching won't make it go away.

I guess I can understand that...actually, no, I don't. I understand and agree with preaching tolerance of the tastes of others, but the idea of not enjoying something any longer simply because there's something better out there is something I have trouble agreeing with. Tastes can change over time with exposure, of course, but your argument seems the equivalent of arguing that because I enjoy Soul Calibur most of Namco games, I should stop playing Tekken.

I suspect you're trying to argue more that if I played Wii Tennis I'd stop liking Pong, but either way it's just trading insulting someone else's taste for simple condescending to them (which is a step up from most internet arguments, granted, but still).

Way to plant yourself inside the fanboy box. I'm not suggesting you stop liking Dragonforce at all. I'm suggesting there are bands out there you might like more, which cater more specifically to whatever it is about Dragonforce that you like. If it's the fantasy imagery, try something along those lines. If it's the technical ability, try something like that. The thing about all music, and especially the metal family, is that you can find the individual elements from one band decompiled and recomposed by others. I'm not suggesting Wii Tennis as a replacement for Pong, but rather that Wii Tennis might make you set Pong down for long enough to try something else altogether. You'll probably still pick up Pong every now and again and like it just as much.

I don't think anyone will argue that they don't have retro phases (in games or music) - I'm personally hitting a Rush streak at the moment. I know they aren't the absolute greatest thing ever, even though there are those who would argue against such thinking. They're called fanboys.

In a thread titled "Why the hate for Dragonforce?" you seem to lack an answer for an equally important question: "Why is Dragonforce so special?" / "What does Dragonforce offer that I can't get somewhere else?"

 

[headshotcatcher]

They're bad, so repetetive.. Also, the vocal guy sounds like a gay (no offense)

Excuse me but how do you SOUND gay?

You honestly haven't ever heard someone who talked like a gay?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlHC1h1Jcws

That should explain it.

 

[NeutralDrow]

All are welcome to opinion, including those that disagree with mine. I offer tolerance to both sides in the form of "listen to more music, and decide if you really like what you like." If you like Dragonforce, that's fine - but there is a vast wealth of metal out there that might just change your mind. If you don't like Dragonforce, listen to something you do like and learn that bitching won't make it go away.

I guess I can understand that...actually, no, I don't. I understand and agree with preaching tolerance of the tastes of others, but the idea of not enjoying something any longer simply because there's something better out there is something I have trouble agreeing with. Tastes can change over time with exposure, of course, but your argument seems the equivalent of arguing that because I enjoy Soul Calibur most of Namco games, I should stop playing Tekken.

I suspect you're trying to argue more that if I played Wii Tennis I'd stop liking Pong, but either way it's just trading insulting someone else's taste for simple condescending to them (which is a step up from most internet arguments, granted, but still).

Way to plant yourself inside the fanboy box. I'm not suggesting you stop liking Dragonforce at all.

My apologies, then. I misinterpreted "I offer tolerance to both sides in the form of "listen to more music, and decide if you really like what you like." If you like Dragonforce, that's fine - but there is a vast wealth of metal out there that might just change your mind."

But still, calling me a fanboy. Been a while since that happened to me, for anything. Since the tone usually backing that up is "X sucks and since you like them, you're a stupid fanboy" (in different words, typing chatspeak makes me nauseous), hopefully you'll forgive me for feeling insulted.

I'm suggesting there are bands out there you might like more, which cater more specifically to whatever it is about Dragonforce that you like. If it's the fantasy imagery, try something along those lines. If it's the technical ability, try something like that. The thing about all music, and especially the metal family, is that you can find the individual elements from one band decompiled and recomposed by others. I'm not suggesting Wii Tennis as a replacement for Pong, but rather that Wii Tennis might make you set Pong down for long enough to try something else altogether. You'll probably still pick up Pong every now and again and like it just as much.

If it's fantasy imagery, I have also Rhapsody, or Hammerfall, or Blind Guardian. If it's technical ability, I have Nightwish (vocals, at least), Blind Guardian, or...hell I don't know. I'm a clarinet player, the only music with "technical" aspects I could reliably judge would be symphonic metal (I hereby declare "Ghost Love Score" to be one of the best songs ever written). Hell, if it's speed metal, I could probably look up more stuff by Animetal. I just go with whatever I think sounds good.

I don't think anyone will argue that they don't have retro phases (in games or music) - I'm personally hitting a Rush streak at the moment. I know they aren't the absolute greatest thing ever, even though there are those who would argue against such thinking. They're called fanboys.

In a thread titled "Why the hate for Dragonforce?" you seem to lack an answer for an equally important question: "Why is Dragonforce so special?" / "What does Dragonforce offer that I can't get somewhere else?"

Except I've already answered that first one:

I mean, what else can I say? I like driving tempo and lyrics about dragons, warriors, determination, fire, awesomeness, and whatnot. Disciples of Babylon, Soldiers of the Wasteland, Revolution Deathsquad, and Last Journey Home are some of my most favorite songs. In fact, there's only a handful of their songs that I'm not too thrilled with (Storming the Burning Fields, Starfire, half of the Sonic Firestorm album, and especially A Flame For Freedom). Truth be told, I don't really care if their music is sped up in studio (it sounds good like that), and I've never really thought of them as "repetitive." I can see where the accusation comes from, but there's plenty of difference between their songs to tell them apart (even with certain motifs that are repeated, like the similar beginnings of "Prepare for War and "Fury of the Storm").

Why exactly do I need to elaborate beyond that? I'm not trying to convert people to liking the band; that second question isn't important in the slightest to me. All I went for was the thread question ("This is why I like the band, and I've yet to encounter obnoxious fans, so I don't really understand the hate").

 

[Red Right Hand]

They have their heads firmly lodged up their asses and are all the worse for it.

I hate them because they don't make good music. All they do is play really fast music, which quite frankly, I think sounds terrible. Plus being able to play live well is a sign of a good band for me, if they lack this then I have no interest in listening to them.
PS(I changed the quote but I don't know how you put the changes in bold, any help?)

Don't change my quote. If you've got something to say have the courage to say it without putting someone else's name on it.

That's not what I was trying to do, if you actually read the pot then you would have seen that I was trying to put the changes in bold to indicate what you should have said.

 

[GruntOwner]

Because many folk seem to reason that this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNApV7JJfXk] sounds exactly the same as this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNcX4dFvcHs&]. I'm not seeing it myself, but all the kewl kids are insulting them so maybe my ears are faulty. There's certainly basis for the argument where the Inhuman Rampage album is concerned, but no where else.
Having seen them live I can honestly say that yes, they can in fact play that fast live, it's just that most of their live success came after Through The Fire And The Flames, so when they were on tour for the Inhuman Rampage tour, they were pissed as a skunk, the lot of them, and could barely play a triangle.
There's also the godless over hype of through The Fire And The Flames and Guitar Hero 3 for including it, which led to it being an overplayed pile of toss. Says alot when the part of the gig that you're dreading is the part which you KNOW is going to come.

Basically, it can all be blamed on the Inhuman Rampage album. They tried to move into heavier stuff and couldn't, so it all ended up sounding the same but on account of heavier being a more mainstream image of metal, it become more popular in spite of being their worst album. So then everyone sees their worst stuff and assumes that it's their only stuff. Their good stuff from Valley Of The Damned and Sonic Firestorm is very upbeat for the most part, none of it's trying to be heavy or serious.

Also, they've only JUST started listening to the keyboardist. If you're going for upbeat, techno synthetic shizz, then for the love of god you do NOT ignore the ukranian guy.

 

[Willwillwritehiswill]

Dragonforce; about as hardcore as a broken fan.

I know that didn't really make sense but it's been a long day, alright?

 

[NeutralDrow]

Because many folk seem to reason that this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNApV7JJfXk] sounds exactly the same as this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNcX4dFvcHs&]. I'm not seeing it myself, but all the kewl kids are insulting them so maybe my ears are faulty. There's certainly basis for the argument where the Inhuman Rampage album is concerned, but no where else.
Having seen them live I can honestly say that yes, they can in fact play that fast live, it's just that most of their live success came after Through The Fire And The Flames, so when they were on tour for the Inhuman Rampage tour, they were pissed as a skunk, the lot of them, and could barely play a triangle.
There's also the godless over hype of through The Fire And The Flames and Guitar Hero 3 for including it, which led to it being an overplayed pile of toss. Says alot when the part of the gig that you're dreading is the part which you KNOW is going to come.

Basically, it can all be blamed on the Inhuman Rampage album. They tried to move into heavier stuff and couldn't, so it all ended up sounding the same but on account of heavier being a more mainstream image of metal, it become more popular in spite of being their worst album. So then everyone sees their worst stuff and assumes that it's their only stuff. Their good stuff from Valley Of The Damned and Sonic Firestorm is very upbeat for the most part, none of it's trying to be heavy or serious.

Huh. Never thought of it like that.

Still, if it's true, I like half of that album enough that I'm willing to forgive them (I'd possibly be willing to forgive them for more, but I've never listened to Lost Souls in Endless Time). In any case, even if the album were complete shit, I'd be willing to forgive them because of Ultra Beatdown.

 

[Berethond]

the way i see it is, maybe people feel less manly when someone pulls a "JUST TRY TO PULL THIS OE OFF!" move. so they feel the need to shoot them down to feel like less of a prick. but honestly, let's see one of you guys pull off that guitar in real life. any takers? i fucking thought not. no GH3 doesn't count!

I can play considerably faster on paino/keyboard.

And I'm not even considered that good.

I know a lot of people who can play it on the guitar, though.
I learned the intro to Through the Fire and Flames in less than seven minutes.

And I don't even play guitar.

 

[Computer-Noob]

Apparently they can't play their solos live worth shit. I've seen videos over the internet and ones in real life taken by people I know, and it sounds like they're entirely muted.

They're also repetitive and their music has no meaning to it. Or originality.

They've also tricked alot of younger guitar players into thinking it's all about how fast you can play the same four notes over and over.

This.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

Dragonforce is lame I could recycle the same song a bajillion times too.

 

[9of9]

Indifferent, never heard of them.

 

[Ultrajoe]

Dragonforce is lame I could recycle the same song a bajillion times too.

You can certainly do it with half of the comments in this thread. In fact, i'd call you even better at avoiding originality than Dragonforce!

Come on man, that wasn't even an attempt to answer the title of the thread let alone add to the conversation. The OP has already dicussed the repetition as a factor but you feel the need to jump in and lash out with the same old line? Poor form, poor form indeed.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

Dragonforce is lame I could recycle the same song a bajillion times too.

You can certainly do it with half of the comments in this thread. In fact, i'd call you even better at avoiding originality than Dragonforce!

Come on man, that wasn't even an attempt to answer the title of the thread let alone add to the conversation. The OP has already dicussed the repetition as a factor but you feel the need to jump in and lash out with the same old line? Poor form, poor form indeed.

Uhh have you ever listened to Dragonforce? There is nothing to add about them except repetition. Dude they use the same exact riffs repeatedly what is there to say about a band that doesn't bother with originality except with an unoriginal comment? To say you can't use that against them is because the OP stated it is a cop-out. Dragonforce is niche crap and always will be because they appeal to the lowest common denominator in the Metal Community.

 

[Thegreatoz]

I personally do not like them because I have yet to see them play their stuff live without screwing it up to the point where I cannot listen to it. People call them StudioForce for a reason...

 

[Ultrajoe]

Come on man, that wasn't even an attempt to answer the title of the thread let alone add to the conversation. The OP has already dicussed the repetition as a factor but you feel the need to jump in and lash out with the same old line? Poor form, poor form indeed.

Uhh have you ever listened to Dragonforce? There is nothing to add about them except repetition. Dude they use the same exact riffs repeatedly what is there to say about a band that doesn't bother with originality except with an unoriginal comment? To say you can't use that against them is because the OP stated it is a cop-out. Dragonforce is niche crap and always will be because they appeal to the lowest common denominator in the Metal Community.

I'm not disputing you claims, i'm expressing my disaste that you felt the need to waste a post to type up one line of an already established fact. I'm not saying 'you can't use it against them', i'm saying it's a dead horse comment and you're not contributing anything constructive by 'using it against them'. Hence the poor form.

Calm down, you'll do yourself an injury.

 

[butterkniferampage]

Well, my criticism come from one thing. All their songs have one fucking chord. I don't really think it moves anywhere. Sure the guitarists wanking wrist is super fast but it's just not enough. But i surely wouldn't go on websites and mock others taste in music. It just works for some people. I myself am a musical douchebag. Love it or leave it. It's music.

 

[rtrain]

its like journey only harder. and i dont mean that in a good way.