I would not date someone whose skewed perception of gender prompted them to take hormones and undergo risky and expensive surgery. I just don't respect that kind of thing. Having said that, I wouldn't mind dating someone of the same sex as me.
Yeah, because getting into a relationship with you and waiting until after you have already been physically intimate to tell you can soo just be written off as "doing something you don't like" huh...Mortai Gravesend said:Yes, because when you beat people to the ground for being trans and doing something you don't like being them to the ground can't possibly be considered a hate crime. Oh wait, it kinda is.
You do know that there's a difference between calling someone a bigot for not being in a certain group and for saying they'd beat someone to the ground, right? Maybe you don't notice it though. But hey, just so you know, there is a difference.
Just like mentioning that you're being bigoted when you said you'd beat someone to the ground isn't being a whiny minority. Btw in civilized places beating people to the ground isn't what we generally call 'when you disagree with them'.
So you don't support them then? This is the very first decision everybody really needs to make when dealing with another human being - the moment you decide they will NEVER be their new gender in your mind, you have undermined their rights. That's like saying you have decided that they will NEVER be a human being in your mind. You don't have to be dating someone to make this decision - it is common courtesy.Kendarik said:I don't think I could ever look at them and REALLY see any post op as "their new gender". They will always be victims of a mental illness and medical misconduct to me. As such I will treat them with respect and I will be the first to support them in obtaining equal rights and good treatment, but they will never really be their new gender in my mind.
"I mean considering how overwhelmingly feminine an extremely large portion of homosexuals are" - Thats what you said, an extremely large portion... thats why I thought you were talking about behaviour rather than people in drag which is in no way a quality exclusely held by "homosexuals" or even a large portion of them considering Lesbians are homosexuals too and dressing as a woman is kinda... what they do every day.Monkeyman O said:I never mentioned behaviour. Some of them look like chicks[footnote]Or close enough to fool those with weak vision.[/footnote] yet are still considered gay. Look up Chris Crocker for example. I will admit its a fuzzy issue but I stick to my position.Kinguendo said:Thats... not relevent to what I said. I said you are attracted to female features, NOT feminine behaviours(though that plays a part). Initial attraction is visual, unless you are blind or dating over the internet(in which case it could easily be a guy).
I see where your coming from, but I don't agree. I'm all for gay rights aswell as transgendered ones but that doesnt mean I have to date them or change my personal opinion when referring to someone's gender. I agree that saying they have a mental illness is a bit overly harsh, but that doesn't mean you have to accept a transgendered as the gender they are becoming. Some people cannot get past the definition of a man or a woman, and like it or not, that's the way it will always be.Da_Vane said:So you don't support them then? This is the very first decision everybody really needs to make when dealing with another human being - the moment you decide they will NEVER be their new gender in your mind, you have undermined their rights. That's like saying you have decided that they will NEVER be a human being in your mind. You don't have to be dating someone to make this decision - it is common courtesy.Kendarik said:I don't think I could ever look at them and REALLY see any post op as "their new gender". They will always be victims of a mental illness and medical misconduct to me. As such I will treat them with respect and I will be the first to support them in obtaining equal rights and good treatment, but they will never really be their new gender in my mind.
I'm not entirely sure that revealing intricate and minute details of your entire sexual history is quite the same as letting them know that you were once a man/woman, at the very least. I don't think that's exactly unreasonable. Saying that does not immediately necessitate everything and anything you went through to get to that point, in the same way that telling someone you're on a date with that you have a kid doesn't necessitate delving into your history with your ex.Melanie McGreevey said:I have a question to those of you that say NOT telling you is a lie...how? It's a choice to unveil bits of a painful past. When you go into a relationship with someone, on that first date, do you describe every sexual encounter you've had, every quirk of your personality, every physical "issue" (be it VD, a cold, etc) you've had?
I am not trying to be argumentative, i am just curious if you expect "full disclosure" from your partner, do you give it back? I realize being trans is a little different, but if you have had regrets, mistakes, trauma happen to you, to you tell the person you're with every minute detail?
if so, good on you!
Congratulations. You have just invalidated the very real and very horrific experiences of people who have been the victims of hate crimes.Mortai Gravesend said:Yeah, it can. I mean you have no problem writing off beating people into the ground as 'disagreement' so I'm not sure why you're going to call that anything more.
Beat you to saying nothing of worth? Yup. Please don't hang back and try to tag onto someone elses argument. Its really quite sad and does not get you out of the situation you put yourself in.Melanie McGreevey said:Beat me to it :0 and btw "trannie" is a derogatory term to most trans people. (not all, but most).
Kinguendo said:do gay men find women sexually attractive?
Do gay women find men sexually attractive?