Please provide further arguments for the sliding scale of gender. I understand that people can be more masculine or feminine (please use auto correct), but that does not affect their gender. Masculine men and feminine men are both male. Sexual orientation does not have to do with gender. Homosexual and heterosexual men are both male, and both can be feminine or masculine. As of yet I see no argument that would change one's classification from male to female.Versuvius said:*snip*
Gender duality doesn't exist but theres a sliding scale of masculine and femenine which can be considered a ratio. It's like saying gay people are just lying to themselves about what they are and pretending.
Please, have a different view. Have a happy life. Go have sex with whoever you want, marry whoever you want. It's your life. I am not trying to impose my opinion over others, and in comparison to my opposition I have been far more tolerant and mature than them.Indeed it appears you can't stand anyone having a different view from yours, and you are being immature, inconsiderate and obnoxious.
I am only debating the argument that transgender people are not the sex of which they identify. A male is always male. His cultural identification does not change it, nor does his sexual orientation. Nor does his masculinity or femininity. There are all kinds of men and women, but men and women they are.
Again with the random judgment. I've studied biology extensively, and I have a deep interest in psychology. I do not declare myself an expert in either field, but as of yet I have not encountered an argument beyond the scope of what I know.What you accused Montezuma's Lawyer of doing is exactly what you just did, making everything you have said as invalid as anything else. I may disagree or have my own views, but i am neither gay or a transgender, and i expect neither are you, nor have you done any serious scientific study into the area, in neurology or i expect biology deeper than photosynthesis.
Ah! And now we come to the crux of the argument. I do not agree that there is no defined rule for anything in biology, nor that nothing is absolute. Many things are not, and the biology as a science would not work without these absolutes, but some biological topics are as you say not set in stone. But that is not the crux.Biology is an interesting thing as there is no defined rule for anything that is absolute and exceptions always exist, right down to the ratio of various hormones that control gender and how the mind is wired for gender.
The crux is that the brain is not wired for gender. Now the ratio of hormones in your body does affect your sex, just as your DNA has a large say in it. Biology is very messy, because we like to categorize life which doesn't care about our categories. Hermaphrodites are of course an example of how sex isn't just XX and XY.
Femininity and masculinity does not affect your gender. Your brain is not pre-wired for a specific gender, and there is no evidence for this.
Again, I'm not against them having a happy life. I wish for them to have a happy life. Live it however you want. When it comes to the philosophical and scientific issue of their gender, they are still male. They have not changed it.If a man undergoes the operation and lives a much happier, fuller life how they want...how can you call them out on it and call them false pretenders and not be offensive?
I'm equally happy for people who undergo operations to look like cats, lizards, or vampires. They understand that they are not cats, lizards, or vampires. Society does not need to treat them like cats, lizards or vampires. They can of course believe whatever they want, but there is no scientific evidence that a transgender person is of another gender. They are men who culturally identify with female culture, probably rather feminine (but there are women who are very masculine, so it would be unfair of me to say that all transgender males are feminine in their mannerisms). None of these people should be discriminated against, but none of them have changed their gender, sex or species.
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say... So i only argue with people who agree with me? Well that's not true. I'm trying to argue with you, debate and come to some sort of conclusion, either where I'm wrong, you are wrong, or we both agree that we need more evidence.You are the kind of person that propagates your bullshit Black and White argument with people who agree with your argument, it's called LikeThink and it doesn't make it any less Bullshit.
Because believing that no transgender person should be discriminated against is bigoted, right? (In case my opinion isn't clear: TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE TOO AND SHOULD NOT BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN ANY MANNER OR FORM. THEY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS EVERYONE ELSE, AND SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PURSUE A HAPPY LIFE).Enjoy the utter contempt anybody who isn't a bigot will look at you with.
I'm only debating that a transgender male does not qualify as a female. He is a transgender male, not a female who was once male. You can have loads of different types of males, with varying sexual orientations, varying degrees of masculinity and femininity, varying beliefs and opinions, different in almost every way. All of them are men.
For all those comparing me to thinking that black people are inferior to whites, I disagree. My argument is on the same level as saying that skin color affects how much the sun burns you.