Poll: Would You Shoot Enemies Helping Their Wounded?
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I think the best I could do is shoot to harm, I don't think I could kill to protect my own life, but I can't be sure since the situation is unfamiliar to me. I'd be more likely to sacrifice my life for someone I care about than to kill someone for someone I care about. Pacifism isn't the coward's way, if anything it's just more peaceful than the alternative.Treblaine said:
Probably, unless it was an emotionally engaging game.
The line between videogames and reality isn't blurred if the den does nothing to blur the lines (from a psychological perspective).
For instance, even though I hated Zevran in DA:O, I felt bad for killing him because they made him a character. Noble team in reach? Not at all.
FE8: definitely
Mirror's edge: somewhat
Oblivion: a little
Prime 3: not at all
(this is for character death)
You get the point. Games have to try to be emotionally real before I think twice about ending an unreal character's life.
The line between videogames and reality isn't blurred if the den does nothing to blur the lines (from a psychological perspective).
For instance, even though I hated Zevran in DA:O, I felt bad for killing him because they made him a character. Noble team in reach? Not at all.
FE8: definitely
Mirror's edge: somewhat
Oblivion: a little
Prime 3: not at all
(this is for character death)
You get the point. Games have to try to be emotionally real before I think twice about ending an unreal character's life.
In games, Medics function more like helicopters than real medics.jboking said:
There is no way to instantly turn a casualty back into a active combatant, only by evacuating the injured/dead and bringing in reinforcements. Medics in real life perform a mercy/,oral function first and a strategic function secondly, trying to reduce the "cost" of war.
So killing the medic in game is not such a war-crime, it's like shooting down their resupply planes.
I'm pretty sure in war you're not supposed to, and its under the Geneva Convention or something.
But if its in a video game, oh hell yeah, I'm pop some fucking bitches. You'd better start running.
But if its in a video game, oh hell yeah, I'm pop some fucking bitches. You'd better start running.
Shooting medics is a war crime
Even if you win, yous still go to jail, also its inhuman to kill someone who is just trying to help someone else from dying, even if it is the enemy. The only time where I wouldn't hesitate is if either:
A. They're Nazi's
B. They're Aliens
War is about disabling the enemy (Despite shooting them) we aren't using armor piercing rounds on people you know.
Even if you win, yous still go to jail, also its inhuman to kill someone who is just trying to help someone else from dying, even if it is the enemy. The only time where I wouldn't hesitate is if either:
A. They're Nazi's
B. They're Aliens
War is about disabling the enemy (Despite shooting them) we aren't using armor piercing rounds on people you know.
...The words "North Atlantic Treaty Organization" come to mind. As a part of the regs stated within their mountains of paperwork,two things stand out.
-You are only allowed to fire on someone of you feel/are threatened by them
-Under no circumstances will you fire on medics and other non-combat personnel,nor will you fire on their charges.
I don't feel like being a war criminal,thank you.
-You are only allowed to fire on someone of you feel/are threatened by them
-Under no circumstances will you fire on medics and other non-combat personnel,nor will you fire on their charges.
I don't feel like being a war criminal,thank you.
In video games? Sure. I get points for it, it shows that I got the kill and gives the chance to do some cool fnishers.
IRL? Definitely not. It's a war crime and they're already suffering enough. However, if they are in intense pain, there is no medic around, and they are begging for death, asking you to kill them, then yes, I would deliver a mercy kill. That is the only scenario were I would kill a wounded soldier.
IRL? Definitely not. It's a war crime and they're already suffering enough. However, if they are in intense pain, there is no medic around, and they are begging for death, asking you to kill them, then yes, I would deliver a mercy kill. That is the only scenario were I would kill a wounded soldier.
Yeah, shoot to "harm" does not work. There isn't a part of the body you can put a rifle round through (that will put them down quick enough) that won't likely lead to their death. Don't think you can just shoot them in the leg, there is more arterial blood flow in your thighs than in your abdomen and with femoral artery cut you cannot tourniquet it.Yopaz said:
Don't see how "sacrificing" will help anything, that will only mean both you are dead as well as your friend. You'd do better to run away and at least tell people what's going on. Then maybe they (also you if you've developed the gumption) can organise a proportional and justified response i.e. retaliation.
Don't be a sucker and think the lack of retaliation will cease hostilities. Tribes who tried that are extinct for a reason.
How can you be so gutless about killing your sworn enemy when you can be so flippant about your own life? Just because its your own life doesn't mean its not valuable, like it or not your life has responsibilities to provide/care for other people. If you can't live for yourself what about for others?
This pacifism seems to come from guilt. Yeah, there is a certain amount of guilt in killing someone, even an aggressive enemy but nothing compared to the negative emotions of losing those close to you knowing you could have done something to save them.
As I said, I can't really come up with an answer since I've never had to kill anyone to save anyone. And I never said I WOULD sacrifice myself, I said it was more likely that I would sacrifice myself rather than killing someone, and my pacifism doesn't come from guilt. I just don't like hurting anyone. I'm not a naive person, I don't believe not being violent will stop violence. Every day there's too many who get beaten up or killed for no reason. I know the solution sometimes is to fight back, but AS I said, I have never been in a situation where I actually had to make a choice so I can't really say. And if I am gutless to killing, how come you take it so lightly? Either you have never been in the situation either, or you have bigger problems than I do.Treblaine said:
the geneva convention is for reality, not gaming! unless the game actually follows the actual rules of warfare (has ANY game done that?!) and shooting medics and wounded is punishable and allies call you out on that, i clean house. hell, i might toy with them; shooting the wounded then leaving them to sulk in failure or shooting everyone BUT the wounded so he has to lie there forever.
i make the most of video game cruelty potential, damnit.
i make the most of video game cruelty potential, damnit.
Considering how military style action shooters work, I would definitely take the opportunity to take out another 2 or 3 enemies. Even if there are medics, they are typically combat medics and playing TF2 taught me to not go easy on them, otherwise I might get a saw to the face >_<
In a video game the medic would drag them out of the way. Take like max 10secs to heal them and they are fighting again. In that I would shoot. The only way in a game for the kind of gameplay to work. Would be the best the medic can do is stabilize them and the player can't play anymore. Which only can be done small round based games.
In the real I wouldn't shoot.
In the real I wouldn't shoot.
I'd shoot at my enemy shooting at me, but if they don't start shit, I won't start shit.
I believe this to be the optimum balance between humanity and duty.
I believe this to be the optimum balance between humanity and duty.
I seriously doubt it. In multiplayer, sure, because then it's other people, there's constant breaking of the fourth wall going on, and you're just dicking around and having fun. I'd shoot them just to hear their aggravated swearing over the mic.
In singleplayer though, when I'm properly immersed, I usually take pity on enemies that aren't actively trying to kill me. I let the grunts run away in Halo, and it took me a couple minutes to work up the courage to kill the first target in Hitman: Blood Money, who was begging for his life. It just feels like such a dick move, pixels or no.
In singleplayer though, when I'm properly immersed, I usually take pity on enemies that aren't actively trying to kill me. I let the grunts run away in Halo, and it took me a couple minutes to work up the courage to kill the first target in Hitman: Blood Money, who was begging for his life. It just feels like such a dick move, pixels or no.