I'm not sure how including transexuals in a joke that isn't about demeaning them is particularly offensive. Are we not supposed to talk about them or make references to them? Are we supposed to pretend like they don't exist or that a pre-op transexual female doesn't have male genitals?
I'd understand offense if he was somehow calling them a bad thing or something along those lines. But just referring to a specific group of people engaged in a sexual act isn't offensive. I get that transexuals are often marginalized and people treat them badly. That's awful and needs to stop. But pick actual existing battles if you're going to fight any battles at all.
My only thoughts regarding why this could be offensive would be regarding the notion that a man engaged in sexual activities with a transgendered female is performing homosexual activities. While gender-wise the transexual isn't performing a homosexual act, the cis-male would be sex-wise. Again the joke is about the cismale in this instance, not the transexual.I'm sorry but the joke stands, if you're a man and you like cock in and around ye' ol' face, you're gay. Doesn't matter whose it is (with the singular exception of your own, I suppose). Not that being gay is a bad thing. Just what it is. The notion of homosexuality does begin to blur where transexuals are concerned, but not on the Cis side of the fence. As a gay female once told me. "I'd love to go out with someone like you, but you've got a cock". I didn't know she was gay until that hilariously flippant coming out comment and we were great friends with everything in common and remained so up until graduation and we moved away (to give context to it). I bring this up to say that homosexuality is generally defined sexually (aka, the physical body as opposed to gender, the mental gender identity of the individual). That's why it's a
sexual orientation specifically and how a transgendered individual is not necessarily a homosexual individual.
chinangel said:
I'm trans but I get annoyed when people say stuff like this and yes I heard it too and wasn't offended. What irritated me though is that fantasizing about a girl with a dick IS NOT GAY! It's actually a very heterosexual fantasy!
Firstly, I'm not sure if you're joking or not. No indicator of it being a joke so I'll assume this is serious. Forgive me If I'm wrong. Please understand that I mean no disrespect towards you and honestly believe that there is nothing wrong with you. Please keep that in mind for this discussion so that you don't have to feel like you're defending yourself or transexuals against me.
Second, fantasizing about a dick is not a heterosexual fantasy. I'm sorry, but that is decidedly less heterosexual every step you go in that direction. What is true is that heterosexuals may have homosexual fantasies. This particular fantasy is generally known to have a female who is female in every area of appearance except the one. There is also a difference between fantasy and action. It's important to know that there are two definitions for what male is thanks to a modern understanding of it whereas there used to be only one and transgenderism was shoved off to the side. The psychological male/female gender and the sexual maleness/femaleness (previously also called gender until the fluidity of gender identity became recognized and accepted). Homosexuality is not typically defined along the lines of pyschological gender. It is most commonly referred to along the lines of sexuality. This is perhaps why the term itself contains the term sexuality. A transgendered female's sexuality does not necessarily follow their gender. I've known of few individuals (originally physically male) who actually went post-op female while still happily married to their cisfemale wives. That is to say, happily married on their end. The wives usually had a significant problem with the physical change.
