Iron Mal said:
And this has relevence to anything said...why? Are you trying to make a point here? (if so then it's a very clumisy made and hard to understand one other than you apparantly equate someone believing that porn is degrading to jocks who beat up nerdy guys for being nerdy, not exactly a clear comparison to make).
Very simple and clear point. He's saying that their profession -- a choice they have made -- has left them devoid of dignity and self-respect.
A jock bullying a nerd might say the exact same thing.
Both are simply idiotic opinions with no basis aside from a personal judgement call. Both are completely invalid, and should not be stated as facts simply because the stater wishes or believes them to be true.
If the poster believes pornography to be a choice which removes all dignity and self-respect from someone, so too must the jock be true who believes being a book-loving flabby nerd to be a choice which robs the nerd of dignity and self-respect.
Either one is valid, or neither. PROTIP: neither.
You do this, ironically, while coming across as something of a judgemental twat yourself.
What gives you the moral high ground, the right, to look down on him for possessing an opinion you happen to disagree with?
It does make it hard for you to legitimately call someone out on someone for holding contempt for someone when you not only do exactly the same thing but actually go further than they do.
Whatever way you try to cut it you're being condescending whilst berating someone for being condescending (you see where this falls apart?).
It does not fall apart. Not one bit.
I do not have an opinion on the matter.
I may have an opinion as to whether or not entering the field of pornography might rob *me* of dignity and self-respect, but I do not at any time impose my opinion onto others.
That's the difference. That's a big difference. That's why I get to be as condescending as I want -- because I'm not looking down on someone for something that may or may not be bad for an individual, I'm looking down on someone *for being a twat*. These porn stars aren't going around shitting on anyone else for the choices they have or have not made, but this kid sure wasn't shy about shitting on the porn stars for their choices.
Let's liken this to violence, that's a simple analogy.
The use of force is never justified, except the use of force against those who would use force.
Follow that? Hitting someone is always bad, unless you are going to hit someone who is or was hitting someone else. Unless they were hitting someone else because that someone else was or is hitting someone.
The use of violence is only justifiable in the prevention or cessation of violence.
I'm using condescending judgmentalism in a similar manner here.
That may be why or that could be you projecting and cold reading with such ferocity that you instill fear in even the bravest of powerpoint presentations and psychics.
Honestly, I'm pretty damned right. It's a knack of mine, winnowing out the motivations and reasonings of others through sometimes severely limited evidence. I'm very, very rarely wrong... human minds all behave fairly similarly. There are slight variations of thought processes between individuals which can cause uncertainty, but in individual circumstances that may or may not be relevant. By taking a small sampling of past behaviors and responses to events it typically becomes rather simple to get a feel for how a given individual will think, how they will react to a certain stimulus, what their motivations for a certain action or statement were, by what route they came to a certain conclusion. Sometimes a few statements are enough to make accurate assumptions about some things -- particularly if those statements are emotionally charged or are about polarizing issues, as these things typically lead to people speaking more from.. well, to steal a bit from Steven Colbert, usually in those cases people speak more from the gut than the brain. What they say becomes less guarded, less filtered, and so gives a more clear picture of their inner.. brain.. stuff.
The poster will never come outright and say that he believes the act of sex to be degrading to the woman, but that belief lies active somewhere in his mind. His is a mind that wonders how a woman with any dignity or self-respect could allow someone to film
that sort of thing being done to her, but never makes the connection that the things being done to her are being done by her just the same. The poster doesn't even understand his underlying sexism, or objectification of women, or belief that they are the weaker, submissive sex.
These are things the poster believes, though the poster may not realize them.
Now, with regards to THESE two porn stars? I'm not familiar with them. Maybe they *ARE* lacking in dignity and self-respect. I do not know them personally, and I lack sufficient information to reach a conclusion. All that I can conclude is that the poster also lacks sufficient information to reach any conclusion on the matter and so the poster's conclusion was not based upon any lack of dignity or self-respect in these two porn stars but rather in the poster's own prejudices against porn stars.
Given how neither of them seem to have a history in writing or journalism (and I doubt they'll even have that much in the way of charisma or wit on camera, from what I hear people don't watch porn for the acting and memorable dialogue) I somehow doubt that they'll live up to much in the way of any actual informative entertainment (more likely we'll probably get a weakly scripted version of what we see everywhere else but this time with a pair of surgically enhanced 32G's for your viewing pleasure).
If this was a pair of gaming journalists and reporters who thought they'd add a funny twist to what they do by doing it naked then that'd probably hold more promise, as a couple of porn stars who seem to have had the bright idea of cashing in on the lonely, dateless nerd stereotype I get the feeling that this will probably amount to little more than a flimsy context to have girls get paid to flash their tits on webcam.
Yeah. It's probably going to be terrible. I really do hope it's not, though, just to buck the trend, rock the boat a little. Just because I'd like to see it done, just once. I won't be holding my breath, but maybe I'll cross my fingers.