PSN Down Worldwide; Is Anonymous to Blame?

StriderShinryu

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That's what happens when you do things the way Anon does. I'm not saying I don't agree with their choice of certain targets, but when you have a history like they do you have to accept that you are going to be fingered for things you may not even have a hand in.

Not that Anon are necessarily terrorists, and if they are they are certainly not Al Quaida, but the same thing happens there. Any time there's any sort of terrorist attack, the assumption is that it's been perpetrated by Al Quaida. With Anon's recent monkeying with Sony it's easy to see why they would get the instant blame.
 

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drunken_munki said:
ArmorArmadillo said:
While, Anonymous certainly stepped in it. Not only do they bungle their attacks by hurting users instead of Sony, but they hand Sony an automatic scapegoat for future outages.
Sony, have clearly demonstrated, that they hurt their own users.
Have they clearly demonstrated that they attack their own servers? What exactly would they stand to gain by doing this?
 

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ArmorArmadillo said:
drunken_munki said:
ArmorArmadillo said:
While, Anonymous certainly stepped in it. Not only do they bungle their attacks by hurting users instead of Sony, but they hand Sony an automatic scapegoat for future outages.
Sony, have clearly demonstrated, that they hurt their own users.
Have they clearly demonstrated that they attack their own servers? What exactly would they stand to gain by doing this?
1. Removing backwards compatibility from PS3
2. PS3 and games pricing in EU... You pay more for the hardware and are behind on game releases.
3. Installing root kits onto user's PCs
4. Sony fuck up PSN for the pre-slim PS3s
5. Sony dropping Linux on PS3

Apart from that, no they are AMAZING!!!1111wda
 

Therumancer

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HankMan said:
Anonymous said they weren't going to to target PSN anymore, and I'd take their word over Sony's thinly veiled insinuations any day of the week!
Well, to be honest, it occured to me that I couldn't see anything else Anonymous could do against Sony given their sphere of influance other than to attack things like PSN. In the end the only viable way to attack Sony short of some kind of massive armed assault on their corperate facilities, is to go after their customers and cost them money. You deny people access to PSN, demonstrate Sony can't protect them, and those people are going to leave the network and find other online services to use for gaming and so on. Sony winds up in a position where it either concedes and gives their online assailants whatever is being demanded, or winds up taking a bath and pretty much having to give up on the entire online sector.


I commented on this when I read about Anonymous' statement about not going after the innocent users anymore, how else are they going to do anything to Sony?

It's very possible they changed their mind, or maybe never made that annoucement to begin with. It's also possible with a group like Anonymous that there isn't a total consensus.

Anonymous is like an elemental force of chaos, it's kind of unpredictable, one moment they are wearing the "Hacktivist" hat, the next they are making miseries out of the online existances of people who got their attention.

In keeping with the spirit of Anonymous, they themselves say that they really don't have any kind of serious agenda overall, and I don't think anyone ever accused them of being honorable or reliable. That could be changing, but it's the kind of thing that comes with time, right now I can't say that I'd be shocked to learn that Anonymous was responsible for the PSN attack.

It's also quite possible that we'll never know if it was them or not, if PSN was attacked. While Anonymous loves their annoucements, there is no rule saying they have to broadcast everything they are doing. If I was a hacker going up against a major technology company like Sony, and wanted to do it seriously, I certainly wouldn't be telegraphing my moves, or jumping around going "it's me!!!". Like it or not Sony is one of the big boys out there, who set the standards for technology, it's not like going up against Gene Simmons, or even the "Operation Titstorm" thing against Australia. Sony is the kind of group you'd expect to have the experts that a nation in serious trouble would want to hire.
 

Harry Mason

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Goddammit. That's what's going on.
If it's hackers, seriously, fuck you, hackers. If you make me purchase XBox live again, I'm going to find you and poop on your beds and eat all your toothpaste.
 

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Orcus The Ultimate said:
But i was thinking of the irony of the supposed hierarchical classes of players (copied to the xboxlive system), that when they're in trouble, we're all sinking by the same service in the end.
Compare it to the people that bought 1st class tickets when boarding the Titanic...
Well the first class women did get 1st dibs on the (never gonna be enough for everyone anyway)lifeboats and you know first class before the crash but it stopped with everyone else's ride at the same time.
 

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WaaghPowa said:
HG131 said:
Opinion =/= fact.

o·pin·ion   
[uh-pin-yuhn]
?noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second Medical opinion.
4. Law . the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.


fact   
[fakt]
?noun
1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
5. Law . Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law.

Also, it's still flaming.
HG131 said:
Well, this just goes to show you that free things never work as well as things you pay for.
Anyone else see the irony?
Is it that he likely went to a free online Dictionary site?
 

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Harry Mason said:
Goddammit. That's what's going on.
If it's hackers, seriously, fuck you, hackers. If you make me purchase XBox live again, I'm going to find you and poop on your beds and eat all your toothpaste.
I personally feel that pooping in their toothpaste and eating their beds would send more of a message.


I'm with you though. If it is hackers, well one I have to applaud them for taking down an entire sector of a large companies' online system, and two I'd probably round-house kick random people untill I felt like I hit one of the ones who did it.
 

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And here I was getting ready to inform my clan on our new mission goals and give them some team cards for hiring more members on patapon 3.


....Am I the only one here who plays patapon 3?...
 

tyciol

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I bet Sony is the one feeding fake rumours of this being Anon. That way they can blame them whenever they don't want to spend money on maintenance.
 

Ashcrexl

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what.

i've been playing FFXII for over a week now and the ONE DAY i decide to play some black ops as a break from grinding, i get errored out of psn. LOVELY
 

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Trezu said:
ANImaniac89 said:
Dammit I just got Mortal Kombat and now this happens.
i know your pain

i just got the Infamous 2 Beta Last Night and fully downloaded but ii couldn't play because i wasnt connected
You got the beta?

I jelly.
 

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Um do a lot of you actually read the article? Sony isnt saying that hackers did it, theyre just saying they havent ruled out the possibility, seriously whats with all this blind hatred of sony?

Anyways this sucks, PSNs down in NZ as well, at least its given me time to become reaquainted with infamous though
 

Kadoodle

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The_Blue_Rider said:
Um do a lot of you actually read the article? Sony isnt saying that hackers did it, theyre just saying they havent ruled out the possibility, seriously whats with all this blind hatred of sony?

Anyways this sucks, PSNs down in NZ as well, at least its given me time to become reaquainted with infamous though
I platinum'd that game a week ago. Good fun :)
 

ZZoMBiE13

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The_Blue_Rider said:
its given me time to become reaquainted with infamous though
That was such a great game. Seriously one of the best exclusives ever. I have high hopes for the sequel.