PSP Is Go!

[Jumplion]

After looking...
If they move or switch the nub over to where the Select/Start buttons are they would have a license to mint money and the people demanding 2 nubs can stop complaining. Sony I prefer cash for fixing your mistakes.

So your solution is to move the analog stick to the opposite side? I'm confused, how does that solve anything?

 

[-Seraph-]

If they move or switch the nub over to where the Select/Start buttons are they would have a license to mint money and the people demanding 2 nubs can stop complaining. Sony I prefer cash for fixing your mistakes.

Your idea, while intelligent, wont work. The nub is used in a lot of games for movement while the face buttons are for specific actions and what not. Iff you moved to nub over to the other side it would make many current PSP really fucking hard to play/unplayable. You try playing SOCOM, Syphon Filter, Resistance, GoW, FF7:CC, ect..that way. Yea thats what I thought YOU CANT! and so back to square one.

Nice try though.

 

[sunami88]

]That didn't answer my question at all, in fact it looked like it only answered a question you wanted to answer. Not the games, the PsP's. How will a PsP 3000 run a game that requires dual thumbsticks?

I pm'd you, but if you're gonna keep attacking people I'll just answer you here;

It could've been like in the PSX days. Games ship with two control schemes (remember the early dual shock days?). So the games on the PSP Go benefit from better camera controls, or easier aiming, but those people who want to stick with the older models can still play the most recent games.

 

[-Seraph-]

Too bad there's no fucking second analog stick. I love Sony but this is just idiotic.

Agreed. Sony needs to smarten up and NOW.

You still haven't said how the earler PsP's would run the new games if they introduced a second analogue stick. Until then, you're just being idiotic.

The same way the first and second generation PS1 games worked after the Dual Shock was introduced. They just won't use it. The problem is not the controls so much the rumor it won't have a umd drive. It appears Sony will do to early adopters what it did to people who bought the PS2 hard drive, give them a big fat thumb in their eye.

That didn't answer my question at all, in fact it looked like it only answered a question you wanted to answer. Not the games, the PsP's. How will a PsP 3000 run a game that requires dual thumbsticks?

The problem he and many others don't realize is that YES you can make future games that support both dual and single analogue control IF they did add a second stick. Ah but here is the catch, you gain NOTHING by doing so. If you programed the game to run on single nub, the other controls would have to somehow compensate for the lack of the second and for supporting both sticks your button mapping is going to be screwed as well. UNLIKE the PS1, the PSP can't work both ways because either way you would have to dumb down those Dual analogue games to work on older models and nothing would be achieved, the stick would be wasted space and be useless because you can't have the best of both worlds in this case.

Remember with the PS1 YOU CAN CHANGE THE CONTROLLER. With the PSP the controller is built into the system so the whole PS1 logic does not work well here. The whole second stick can't work here but no one bothers to properly think it through which is why I get annoyed by these second nub whiners. It's a design choice best left for the PSP2 (whenever that comes) because doing it now will do more harm than good especially for developers.

EDIT: sorry if what I say sounds a tad confusing, it's just hard for me to properly explain the predicament but trust me, YOU CAN"T implement a second stick "just like that", it doesn't work that way. hand helds are different than consoles so the same rules can't always apply.

 

[Rigs83]

SoChuck it in the closet with your virtual boys, lynx, and wonder swans and move on. Sony needs to regain the console market before it should go for the hand helds again.

Okay, so the PSP has sold about 50 million units, around half of the DSs current install base.
The Virtual Boy sold a pitiful 750,000 units.
The Atari Jaguar sold fewer than 500,000.
And the Wonder Swan, never heard of it till now.

So please, take your ignorance elsewhere. Just the fact that the PSP survived against the juggernaut of Nintendo is proof that Nintendo has a run for their money. Nintendo, if anything, is the king of handhelds, no doubt about it. But there's no harm in some competition. I guarantee you that if the PSP wasn't as much of a success as none of you give credit for, the DSi would have come much later (which is a good or bad thing for some of you guys for some reason).

Nintendo is making a profit on each sale, Sony is not and the rest of the company can no longer make up the difference with other electronic sales in a recession. It's just the economy, the most healthy survive, the rest die. I want Sony to face facts, consolidate resources and climb it's way back to the top. It has been four years and not a single killer app, it has yet become "The Walkman of the 21st Century" that Kutaragi claimed, and defending a company that does not know or care about you is a wee bit silly unless Sony is paying you to defend them like they paid Zipatoni back in 06.

 

[Ventuquies]

That looks horrible. Like they're ripping off the Game Boy Advance SP or whatever it was called.

Exactly! I honestly can't understand the people here saying it looks nice, especially the OP!

THAT THING IS DAMN UGLY, IT LOOKS LIKE A SUPER CHEAP PSP FOR SMALL CHILDREN!!! (well, maybe thats on purpose to eat more of DSi's market share)

Anyway, that thing is really really ugly and cheap looking, it looks like a phone and nobody ever thought about if its possible to use it for playing.. Someone at Sony should get fired!! It looks so cheap.. PSP Go! away!

 

[Jumplion]

Nintendo is making a profit on each sale, Sony is not and the rest of the company can no longer make up the difference with other electronic sales in a recession. It's just the economy, the most healthy survive, the rest die. I want Sony to face facts, consolidate resources and climb it's way back to the top. It has been four years and not a single killer app, it has yet become "The Walkman of the 21st Century" that Kutaragi claimed, and defending a company that does not know or care about you is a wee bit silly unless Sony is paying you to defend them like they paid Zipatoni back in 06.

I'm pretty sure that over 50 million units sold for the PSP, at more or less $150, could have easily made a profit by now.

There have been plenty of "killer apps". Loccorocco, Patapon 1 and 2, God of War Chains of Olympus, Daxter, Disgaia, Metal Gear Ac!d, FF7: Crisis Core (from what I've heard it's an okay game), and loads of others. It's been 4 years, you'd think people would wise up and just look a bit. I could name 10x more games I want for a PSP than for my DS which is why I'm getting one soon.

It's time for plenty of other people to "face the facts". The PSP is a healthy system. It's not the most publicized when it comes to games, but it has plenty of games in its arsenal and holds its own against the DS.

 

[Jumplion]

That looks horrible. Like they're ripping off the Game Boy Advance SP or whatever it was called.

Exactly! I honestly can't understand the people here saying it looks nice, especially the OP!

THAT THING IS DAMN UGLY, IT LOOKS LIKE A SUPER CHEAP PSP FOR SMALL CHILDREN!!! (well, maybe thats on purpose to eat more of DSi's market share)

Anyway, that thing is really really ugly and cheap looking, it looks like a phone and nobody ever thought about if its possible to use it for playing.. Someone at Sony should get fired!! It looks so cheap.. PSP Go! away!

How does it look "ugly"? Seriously, it looks fine. I don't get why people are going on about "IT'S UGLY! IT'S DAMN UGLY! IT LOOKS SO HIDEOUS!@$!@#", it looks completely fine. People saw fan mock ups of the PSP Go! and people were going "oooo! Shiny!".

 

[Rigs83]

Too bad there's no fucking second analog stick. I love Sony but this is just idiotic.

Agreed. Sony needs to smarten up and NOW.

You still haven't said how the earler PsP's would run the new games if they introduced a second analogue stick. Until then, you're just being idiotic.

The same way the first and second generation PS1 games worked after the Dual Shock was introduced. They just won't use it. The problem is not the controls so much the rumor it won't have a umd drive. It appears Sony will do to early adopters what it did to people who bought the PS2 hard drive, give them a big fat thumb in their eye.

That didn't answer my question at all, in fact it looked like it only answered a question you wanted to answer. Not the games, the PsP's. How will a PsP 3000 run a game that requires dual thumbsticks?

The problem he and many others don't realize is that YES you can make future games that support both dual and single analogue control IF they did add a second stick. Ah but here is the catch, you gain NOTHING by doing so. If you programed the game to run on single nub, the other controls would have to somehow compensate for the lack of the second and for supporting both sticks your button mapping is going to be screwed as well. UNLIKE the PS1, the PSP can't work both ways because either way you would have to dumb down those Dual analogue games to work on older models and nothing would be achieved, the stick would be wasted space and be useless because you can't have the best of both worlds in this case.

Remember with the PS1 YOU CAN CHANGE THE CONTROLLER. With the PSP the controller is built into the system so the whole PS1 logic does not work well here. The whole second stick can't work here but no one bothers to properly think it through which is why I get annoyed by these second nub whiners. It's a design choice best left for the PSP2 (whenever that comes) because doing it now will do more harm than good especially for developers.

EDIT: sorry if what I say sounds a tad confusing, it's just hard for me to properly explain the predicament but trust me, YOU CAN"T implement a second stick "just like that", it doesn't work that way. hand helds are different than consoles so the same rules can't always apply.

Then just move the numb to the opposite side so it feels more natural in the hands of people with two hands. It may skew the controls for older games but won't require any serious recoding because all the pieces are the same just physically laid out differently. For fps's you can use the digital pad for moving and the analog nub for aiming, hmmm that sounds familiar to me, for rpg's you can use the digital for movement again and control the camera with the nub, wait a minute I am sure I have seen that before. Let me think. Ahh yes every other console made by Sony since they introduced Dual Shock. Sony tried to reinvent the wheel after they perfected it and it failed.

 

[santaandy]

If it doesn't have two thumbsticks, why should I care?

 

[-Seraph-]

Your only thinking of future games though, it wouldn't work for games that have already been made. It just doesn't work, all older games would have to be patched in order to accommodate for this drastic implementation and there are over 300 games on the PSP!! YOU CAN"T DO IT. The dual stick idea will only be workable for the newer dual stick PSP's and newer games NOT their other stuff, jesus how many times do I gotta explain this, IT WILL NOT WORK IT CANNOT WORK.

Dual sticks will only work for the PSP2 ie: next gen system. it wont work for the current gen. Trust me if you have played PSP games you will know that shifting that stick to the other side will make tons of games unplayable.

 

[neoman10]

maybe...just maybe you can connect a controller to it when it's closed, someone said there was bluetooth capability

 

[-Seraph-]

maybe...just maybe you can connect a controller to it when it's closed, someone said there was bluetooth capability

Resistance retribution implemented that idea with it's infected mode. You could hook up a ps3 controller to the game, but unfortunately you needed to system link your PSP to the PS3 in order for it to work. BUT the idea has been done, this is the only way the whole dual analogue could work, it with what Resistance Retribution did but even then...

 

[Ventuquies]

PSP is far more advanced than the DS...

Yea, the PSP is heavier, doesn't have a touch screen, has much less battery life and a much smaller game library. So, what about your definition of "advanced"?
Graphics are really NOT the most important factor about games, it is F-U-N!

 

[neoman10]

maybe...just maybe you can connect a controller to it when it's closed, someone said there was bluetooth capability

Resistance retribution implemented that idea with it's infected mode. You could hook up a ps3 controller to the game, but unfortunately you needed to system link your PSP to the PS3 in order for it to work. BUT the idea has been done, this is the only way the whole dual analogue could work, it with what Resistance Retribution did but even then...

but they might just make it so that you can do it any where, just prop your psp up, hook up, play it up...or something

 

[neoman10]

PSP is far more advanced than the DS...

Yea, the PSP is heavier, doesn't have a touch screen, has much less battery life and a much smaller game library. So, what about your definition of "advanced"?
Graphics are really NOT the most important factor about games, it is F-U-N!

you call DS fun! pffft! I prefer my fun to be hate speechifying the fascist Nintendo empire!

long live the Islamic Kingdoms of Sony!!!!

ok I'm done, G'Night!

 

[Rigs83]

Nintendo is making a profit on each sale, Sony is not and the rest of the company can no longer make up the difference with other electronic sales in a recession. It's just the economy, the most healthy survive, the rest die. I want Sony to face facts, consolidate resources and climb it's way back to the top. It has been four years and not a single killer app, it has yet become "The Walkman of the 21st Century" that Kutaragi claimed, and defending a company that does not know or care about you is a wee bit silly unless Sony is paying you to defend them like they paid Zipatoni back in 06.

I'm pretty sure that over 50 million units sold for the PSP, at more or less $150, could have easily made a profit by now.

There have been plenty of "killer apps". Loccorocco, Patapon 1 and 2, God of War Chains of Olympus, Daxter, Disgaia, Metal Gear Ac!d, FF7: Crisis Core (from what I've heard it's an okay game), and loads of others. It's been 4 years, you'd think people would wise up and just look a bit. I could name 10x more games I want for a PSP than for my DS which is why I'm getting one soon.

It's time for plenty of other people to "face the facts". The PSP is a healthy system. It's not the most publicized when it comes to games, but it has plenty of games in its arsenal and holds its own against the DS.

You are going to call "an okay game" a killer app.
How many midnight releases have those game justified?
People have and will wait out hours (some even days) ahead of time for a Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Madden or Halo console release. All killer app have to amaze and redefine a genre or even create it's own. After GTA 3 came out it created the sandbox play style the industry is recreating for just about every type of game being released even to this today, how many times have you heard "It's like GTA but with...?". GTA: Liberty Stories just copy and pasted that with bad controls. Metal Gear Acid may have created the card battle stealth game but who rushed out a knock off to rake in on it's success, how many times have you heard "It's like Metal Gear Acid but... ?"
In entertainment imitation, not copyright infringement, is the sincerest form of flattery.
If no one is trying to follow you than no one cares about what you are doing. If you have tell someone a "PSP is a healthy system" I have a Dreamcast to sell you.

 

[-Seraph-]

PSP is far more advanced than the DS...

Yea, the PSP is heavier, doesn't have a touch screen, has much less battery life and a much smaller game library. So, what about your definition of "advanced"?
Graphics are really NOT the most important factor about games, it is F-U-N!

Being heavier by a few grams isn't relevant (DS-300g, PSP-250, rough estimates), battery life being short is due to the more advanced hardware. DS has around 600 games while PSP has around 300+ maybe more, now take away the crap tons of shovel ware from the DS and it's library just shrunk a whole lot. DS may still have more quality games admittedly but the fact remains. Your arguments hold very little relevance.

but they might just make it so that you can do it any where, just prop your psp up, hook up, play it up...or something

True but wouldn't that make the whole portable aspect a little cumbersome?

 

[Megacherv]

Having said that the inclusion of a hold button's interesting, maybe increased use as an mp3 player? I still think it's bad piece of design though.

The 'Hold' button's been on there since the 1000 model, it's what freaking broke my PSP (it kept thinking that the Hold switch was on)

Oh, my mistake.

In that case it presents another way to break things...

I think I'm probably the only person that's ever happened to, and my PSP did take quite a beating over the 1.5 years that I had it, so you could understand it a bit.