That's stupid, I want to feel like I deserve a honor for buying a game new so I support DRM that treats me like I stole the game (Also this is about used game sales not pirating so your off bat there man). Let me tell you about Atlus a company who is no where as big as EA or Id or Nintendo but has a devoted fan base. For most games they release they have a first shipment bonus, where the first shipment you get a free bonus with your new game (and you don't have to pre-order or anything). Atlus is known for short print runs so these bonus are pretty much saying buy our game new and you get a nice gift cause odds are it's the only shipment we will make. Here is some of the games I bought from Atlus with the gifts for buying it new and the game cost the same as any other retail game (i.e. it wasn't 10 bucks extra for a limited edition).Active Schizophrenic said:
evil Summoner 2 (A limited edition box with a Jack Frost doll dressed as the main hero; Price 40 bucks when it came out which is the same price as most new PS2 games around that same time).ersona 4 (A mini soundtrack (Or full I haven't opened it yet; Price 40 bucks)ersona (A full two disc soundtrack; Price 30 bucks)
I'm pointing out that if this shit continues, it would be a better alternative then sticking with consoles. And no, I'm not telling people to ditch consoles, but if you want a game, upgrade your system and get the game... Also, Steam is not a type of DRM, since you don't actually get a different experience then someone who bought the game on launch since PC games are never used, there is no Date of Release Material. I like to stress up above, I'm just saying that it would be a better solution then sticking too consoles draconian DRM! You can watch Extra Credits episode titled Consoles are the new Coin Op for a better explanation. I'm glad you agreed with me. Don't call me a PC fan boy, just PC gamer. I don't call people Console fan boys, I call them Console Gamers.BoredRolePlayer said:
Uhm, used games are used because they have already been bought, so I'm sure the devs are not losing out. Especially since used games allow people who can't afford 50-70 bucks a pop for a game to actually play them, who then maybe pop for the next project at full price when they can afford to.Scizophrenic Llama said:
Well see you tell me that DRM is screwing me out of content even though I have never been screwed out of content by buying new if YOU have I am sorry. but yes I can feel honour for buying new games when I have not been cheated before. Which seems to say that you are taking my personal opinion and applying it to everybody which isn't true, everybody plays games differently I feel that I have not been cheated by buying used games through their DRM because I don't play games on consoles that often and their is no used games market on PC and as for piracy which is rampant on the PC i do see it as stealing so I don't do it. And yes I do know the games developer Atlus and I have played their games they are just not my type of games and I don't play consoles all that much. Also thank for turning a intelligent response into a douche move. (also honour is spelled with a u in canada if the parenthesis were meant to correct that if not then it does not matter).BoredRolePlayer said:That's stupid, I want to feel like I deserve a honor for buying a game new so I support DRM that treats me like I stole the game (Also this is about used game sales not pirating so your off bat there man). Let me tell you about Atlus a company who is no where as big as EA or Id or Nintendo but has a devoted fan base. For most games they release they have a first shipment bonus, where the first shipment you get a free bonus with your new game (and you don't have to pre-order or anything). Atlus is known for short print runs so these bonus are pretty much saying buy our game new and you get a nice gift cause odds are it's the only shipment we will make. Here is some of the games I bought from Atlus with the gifts for buying it new and the game cost the same as any other retail game (i.e. it wasn't 10 bucks extra for a limited edition).Active Schizophrenic said:
Shin Megami Tensi
Radiant Histora(A Mini soundtrack; Price 35 bucks)
Inzuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja 2 (A mini poster; Price I believe 30 bucks)
Luminous Arc 2 (A mini soundtrack; Price 30 bucks)
Shin Megami Tensi
Shin Megami Tensi
Shin Megami Tensi: Strange Journey (A mini soundtrack, which was not burned right and they replaced for free; Price 35 bucks).
That's the games I have from them that I can remember a bonus for buying it new off the top of my head. And NISA does the same thing: Mana Kahmia 2 (I think the first one also buy I didn't get it new cause I couldn't find it) had a soundtrack (full I believe) and a poster, Ar Tonelico 2 and 3 came with a artbook and OST, and Atelier Rorona came witha hard cover artbook. The funny thing is, these games where not pre-orders they were thanks for buying the game new at the 50/60 dollar price they were at. And Disgaea 4 will have a few different versions in stores, a 50 dollar box with no goodies and a 60 dollar box with a figure. So your getting the game by itself for 10 bucks off and the figure for 10 bucks more, hey that's a honor right there.
In other words, your "honor" for buying a game new is just a way for publishers to screw you out of content and own your games, they don't give you anything when it's some online code you have to use.
That logic makes no sense. If a games developer makes a game and it will have to sell, say 10,000 copies for example to break even and only 3,000 copies where sold to people, they played and beat the game and all those copies kept shuffling from person to person. over 10,000 people could have played and enjoyed the game but the company still loses more than they made. if 10 people can pass around 1 copy the developer loses big time. also obviously you don't know how games development works.King of the Sandbox said:
I didn't ask you if Atlus is your kind of game company or not (I could care less who your company of choice is), I was saying how Atlus is willing to give goodies to people for buying a game new and not charge extra. They are willing to give you extra's and not charged the special edition price, not give you a code saying you can have a in game thing for buying it new and only new. And how much is that honor worth it to you knowing that DRM is cracked by a single .exe file? And I haven't been screwed by DRM period (I even owned used PC games and have used guild wars account from a friend and they all play like I bought them myself). I like how just avoid the whole Atlus giving out all those nice freebies by injecting your own personal feelings for the companies games and not what they do to sell said games. And you're welcome I could care less where you're from and I wasn't correcting you at all, I put them in QUOTES for emphasis.Active Schizophrenic said:Well see you tell me that DRM is screwing me out of content even though I have never been screwed out of content by buying new if YOU have I am sorry. but yes I can feel honour for buying new games when I have not been cheated before. Which seems to say that you are taking my personal opinion and applying it to everybody which isn't true, everybody plays games differently I feel that I have not been cheated by buying used games through their DRM because I don't play games on consoles that often and their is no used games market on PC and as for piracy which is rampant on the PC i do see it as stealing so I don't do it. And yes I do know the games developer Atlus and I have played their games they are just not my type of games and I don't play consoles all that much. Also thank for turning a intelligent response into a douche move. (also honour is spelled with a u in canada if the parenthesis were meant to correct that if not then it does not matter).BoredRolePlayer said:That's stupid, I want to feel like I deserve a honor for buying a game new so I support DRM that treats me like I stole the game (Also this is about used game sales not pirating so your off bat there man). Let me tell you about Atlus a company who is no where as big as EA or Id or Nintendo but has a devoted fan base. For most games they release they have a first shipment bonus, where the first shipment you get a free bonus with your new game (and you don't have to pre-order or anything). Atlus is known for short print runs so these bonus are pretty much saying buy our game new and you get a nice gift cause odds are it's the only shipment we will make. Here is some of the games I bought from Atlus with the gifts for buying it new and the game cost the same as any other retail game (i.e. it wasn't 10 bucks extra for a limited edition).Active Schizophrenic said:
Shin Megami Tensi
Radiant Histora(A Mini soundtrack; Price 35 bucks)
Inzuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja 2 (A mini poster; Price I believe 30 bucks)
Luminous Arc 2 (A mini soundtrack; Price 30 bucks)
Shin Megami Tensi
Shin Megami Tensi
Shin Megami Tensi: Strange Journey (A mini soundtrack, which was not burned right and they replaced for free; Price 35 bucks).
That's the games I have from them that I can remember a bonus for buying it new off the top of my head. And NISA does the same thing: Mana Kahmia 2 (I think the first one also buy I didn't get it new cause I couldn't find it) had a soundtrack (full I believe) and a poster, Ar Tonelico 2 and 3 came with a artbook and OST, and Atelier Rorona came witha hard cover artbook. The funny thing is, these games where not pre-orders they were thanks for buying the game new at the 50/60 dollar price they were at. And Disgaea 4 will have a few different versions in stores, a 50 dollar box with no goodies and a 60 dollar box with a figure. So your getting the game by itself for 10 bucks off and the figure for 10 bucks more, hey that's a honor right there.
In other words, your "honor" for buying a game new is just a way for publishers to screw you out of content and own your games, they don't give you anything when it's some online code you have to use.
I didn't call you PC fanboy one I said you came off as one, and Steam is a form of DRM dude a lot of games use Steamworks as a form of DRM. If you can sit there and say it isn't then wow, cause I talked to guys who LOVE steam and they say it's DRM. And it shouldn't matter what someone plays they are gamers, I can't respect a "gamer" who has to have a name for someone based on his choice of play. What am I a PC gamer I own a good number of PC games (at least 180), or am I a console gamer cause I own multiple consoles, or even a handheld gamer. No I am a gamer end of story.Aprilgold said:
That was the basis for pretty much the entire industry: shareware; the industry has grown in different directions since then. Though, shareware has evolved in the form of 'Onlive' services. Either way, harking back to the 'good old days' is a moot point.BoredRolePlayer said:
Few flaws thereStill Life said:
There is one flaw with your first point. I agree with the second.BoredRolePlayer said:
Bethesda no doubt would have helped fund Rage. However, id would have spent a lot of its own money in order to allow themselves to spend a bit over six years on a single game. Carmack has specifically stated that such development cycles are no longer sustainable and is partly why id joined up with a large publisher. Also, given that id is a large studio, I sincerely doubt that id would have entered into a contract which denied them royalties after initial costs had been covered through game sales.BoredRolePlayer said:
It's simple: games are different to cars, which are different from furniture, etc. To establish a feasible argument, you should analyze and contrast different market trends and practices within the games industry. Don't agree with id's consensus? Find a games company which approaches the matter in a way you think is fairer, then substantiate your points.
Because they answer to you, right? Use your wallet instead of coming across as a self-entitled armchair General.Emperor_Augustus said:
