Rage Cuts Single-Player When You Buy It Used

[DataSnake]

I actually *WAS* planning on buying this (getting a new PC, the latest id Tech would've been a great way to put it through its paces), but guess what? Now I won't. Sorry, id. It's not you, it's...OK, it's you.

Seriously, back in the mid-90s, it looked like id was poised for greatness. Every game was innovative, massive amounts were available free of charge, there was excellent mod support. What went wrong? Oh well, at least we still have Valve...provided they remember at some point that they're a game company and not a haberdashery.

 

[teqrevisited]

Looks like RAGE is living up to its name already.

The last thing you're supposed to do is actually give pirates what some will feel is a legitimate excuse.

 

[Thyunda]

I like how everybody is reading this and then throwing their keyboards on the ground in disgust. How dare a developer expect to make money off their own product?! This is extortion! If I want to exclusively support retailers who make money where developers don't, the developer should go out of their way to cater to me!

Come on. Drop the attitude. I don't see anything wrong with this. At all. At the end of the day, you're losing practically nothing. It's an add-on. Almost a DLC. You want to buy a game at a fraction of the cost, be grateful you're not even losing a fraction of the full game. You're just getting 100%, whereas the new-copy buyers are getting 110%.
You want the extras - bloody pay for them. Stop whining. It's pathetic.

 

[natster43]

Guess I am not buying that and removing my preorder! I already hate this idea more than the Online Pass.

 

[Unhappy Crow]

Huh. I don't have a problem with publishers/developers blocking off multiplayer if purchased used, but half of the single player? Really? That kinda sucks more if you ask me, and I buy most of my games brand new.

 

[TheNaut131]

...wait what? No, id software you're supposed to do it the other way around! I actually buy plenty of games knew or on sales/over time, but this is a pretty crappy move. But truthfully I think most of us can live without it and if you really want RAGE just pay for it. It is their game and they can do what they want with it, so whatever.

You know, I have to be honest here, who the hell is REALLY looking forward to RAGE?

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

that sounds... pretty shitty. now i will probably miss this game entirely. meh

edit:

I thought bad things when i read the title, but now I know that its only small parts of the SP taht are being cut for used palyers. In my opinion this is the right way to do DRM.

no, it is not the right way to do DRM, because it is punishing gamers who have still legitimately bought a copy of the game, but could not afford to do so first hand.

Yes it is
The pre-owned market hurts the developers since they dont see any of the money made from it.

People who complain about this DRM/Code practice obviously dont care about the market as much as they claim.

Bitching about content being locked is like buying half a bottle of pop off someone then bitching that you didnt get the whole thing.
YOU ONLY GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
Save up the money and get the game new and quit whining

Funny, that's how I read the article too, you get what you pay for. Interestingly enough, I save up for games because I can't afford a lot of them, so this doesn't really bother me and seems fair to me.

I'm wondering if that section is even that important, if it really isn't, then the people that bought the game used they lost nothing. If it is, oh well, deal with it.

 

[Treblaine]

I actually *WAS* planning on buying this (getting a new PC, the latest id Tech would've been a great way to put it through its paces), but guess what? Now I won't. Sorry, id. It's not you, it's...OK, it's you.

Seriously, back in the mid-90s, it looked like id was poised for greatness. Every game was innovative, massive amounts were available free of charge, there was excellent mod support. What went wrong? Oh well, at least we still have Valve...provided they remember at some point that they're a game company and not a haberdashery.

You're going to get the game on PC.

PC, where selling or buying used is impossible.

But you are annoyed that consoles have even a fraction of the same thing that PC has?

You see how I don't follow this logic. Is it the sheer principal? Then wouldn't the same turn you from PC gaming?

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

This is not a good step. I get most of my games from gamestop and most of the time they don't even have new. So fuck you id.

 

[DataSnake]

Also, to all the people saying "this is great b/c the devs don't get any money off used games", guess what movies, cars, computers, clothes and shoes have in common? They can all be bought used, and yet the manufacturers SOMEHOW manage to survive.

Seriously, where do you think used games come from? SOMEBODY ALREADY PAID THE DEVELOPER FOR THAT COPY.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I like how everybody is reading this and then throwing their keyboards on the ground in disgust. How dare a developer expect to make money off their own product?! This is extortion! If I want to exclusively support retailers who make money where developers don't, the developer should go out of their way to cater to me!

Come on. Drop the attitude. I don't see anything wrong with this. At all. At the end of the day, you're losing practically nothing. It's an add-on. Almost a DLC. You want to buy a game at a fraction of the cost, be grateful you're not even losing a fraction of the full game. You're just getting 100%, whereas the new-copy buyers are getting 110%.
You want the extras - bloody pay for them. Stop whining. It's pathetic.

I thought like that not too long ago. Then something hit me: only triple-AAA publishers are being dicks about this. You know, the ones who stand to make the most money. You don't see publishers like NIS and Atlus pulling this crap and they stand to benefit the most from a system like this because their sales are already going to be very low. Any profit for them is good. So this is just basic greed.

 

[Stall]

Wait... so game developers wanting to stop piracy is okay, but them wanting to hamper the used sales market, which some studios have claimed to be just as damaging to them as piracy if not more so, is BAD?

What the fuck?

 

[DataSnake]

You see how I don't follow this logic. Is it the sheer principal? Then wouldn't the same turn you from PC gaming?

Yeah, it's basically principle. I think it sucks that you can't buy games used on PC, but that's pretty much an established precedent, so I live with it. But when I see a company trying to screw over the end user in a new way, I have no intention of giving that company any more of my money, no matter how much I used to respect them.

 

[DataSnake]

Wait... so game developers wanting to stop piracy is okay, but them wanting to hamper the used sales market, which some studios have claimed to be just as damaging to them as piracy if not more so, is BAD?

What the fuck?

Is buying clothes from goodwill the same as shoplifting? Is buying a used car the same as stealing one?

 

[dfphetteplace]

So he just made that instead of buying it at all, people who don't want multiplayer will just pirate it.

 

[Stall]

Is buying clothes from goodwill the same as shoplifting? Is buying a used car the same as stealing one?

Both result in the original seller of the item not getting profit, so they DO have the same impact. The only real difference here is that one is legal, and one is not.

So yes, in the eyes of developers, piracy is basically the same thing as the used game market, since legal or not, they're getting screwed out of a games sale (i.e. profit) either way.

 

[Simeon Ivanov]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Not the sewer level!!! That's the best place to be!!!

I was thinking of buying the game because noting was coming out in that period ... but ...

Screw you to id.

Edit: Okay, now that I'm calm, I can see WHY they do it. And it's actually pretty sweet. Better than the Activiosn-DRM-bullshit, to say the least. And it's not a big part of the game ... so yeah. Not bad, id. Better than Blizzard

 

[ryo02]

erm correct me if Im wrong (Im not) but this wont actually stop piracy its very clearly aimed at the used game market.

every used game was once new and bought as such and can never be owned by more than one person at a given time in other words THEY GOT THEIR MONEY.

I planned to buy this new day one but this support of DRM and cutting bits out of the single player is making me reconsider.

 

[cerebus23]

The bottom line is do games warrant different treatment then used cars, televisions, computers, appliances, etc. Games are the few things that publishers will tell you you do not actually own said game, but games are no different than cars, you buy a game and open it its value plummits, same for a car, same for just about anything you can buy new vs used, but you can trade in your games for 5 10 bucks whatever it is gs and others are turning around selling that used copy for 20 to 30 dollars profit, and the publishers and devs get no cut of that, well they get no cut of used dvd sales, does ford chevy or any car manufacturer get money when those cars are sold used? no.

you cannot point to any other item and say you see anything that is treated like games and gamers are. what is really scary is how many people are meh whatever with it, and that games demanding something no other sellable thing gets and shrinking your rights as consumers more and more.

I would think this is more bethesdas doing than ids but who knows, but either way it seems people that will want to buy the games used will be more skrewd than people that pirate the games.

 

[Whateveralot]

I love it how gamers are so self-destructive, they don't even realise what they spew sometimes.

This system = more money for development of future games = good for the industry as a whole.

The irony?
A lot of people that complain about this will still buy the game, or other (future) games from this developer. And they have probably complained about most other developers out there as well. Silly, silly people.