Rage Cuts Single-Player When You Buy It Used

[Treblaine]

I actually *WAS* planning on buying this (getting a new PC, the latest id Tech would've been a great way to put it through its paces), but guess what? Now I won't. Sorry, id. It's not you, it's...OK, it's you.

Seriously, back in the mid-90s, it looked like id was poised for greatness. Every game was innovative, massive amounts were available free of charge, there was excellent mod support. What went wrong? Oh well, at least we still have Valve...provided they remember at some point that they're a game company and not a haberdashery.

You're going to get the game on PC.

PC, where selling or buying used is impossible.

But you are annoyed that consoles have even a fraction of the same thing that PC has?

You see how I don't follow this logic. Is it the sheer principal? Then wouldn't the same turn you from PC gaming?

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

This is not a good step. I get most of my games from gamestop and most of the time they don't even have new. So fuck you id.

 

[DataSnake]

Also, to all the people saying "this is great b/c the devs don't get any money off used games", guess what movies, cars, computers, clothes and shoes have in common? They can all be bought used, and yet the manufacturers SOMEHOW manage to survive.

Seriously, where do you think used games come from? SOMEBODY ALREADY PAID THE DEVELOPER FOR THAT COPY.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I like how everybody is reading this and then throwing their keyboards on the ground in disgust. How dare a developer expect to make money off their own product?! This is extortion! If I want to exclusively support retailers who make money where developers don't, the developer should go out of their way to cater to me!

Come on. Drop the attitude. I don't see anything wrong with this. At all. At the end of the day, you're losing practically nothing. It's an add-on. Almost a DLC. You want to buy a game at a fraction of the cost, be grateful you're not even losing a fraction of the full game. You're just getting 100%, whereas the new-copy buyers are getting 110%.
You want the extras - bloody pay for them. Stop whining. It's pathetic.

I thought like that not too long ago. Then something hit me: only triple-AAA publishers are being dicks about this. You know, the ones who stand to make the most money. You don't see publishers like NIS and Atlus pulling this crap and they stand to benefit the most from a system like this because their sales are already going to be very low. Any profit for them is good. So this is just basic greed.

 

[Stall]

Wait... so game developers wanting to stop piracy is okay, but them wanting to hamper the used sales market, which some studios have claimed to be just as damaging to them as piracy if not more so, is BAD?

What the fuck?

 

[DataSnake]

You see how I don't follow this logic. Is it the sheer principal? Then wouldn't the same turn you from PC gaming?

Yeah, it's basically principle. I think it sucks that you can't buy games used on PC, but that's pretty much an established precedent, so I live with it. But when I see a company trying to screw over the end user in a new way, I have no intention of giving that company any more of my money, no matter how much I used to respect them.

 

[DataSnake]

Wait... so game developers wanting to stop piracy is okay, but them wanting to hamper the used sales market, which some studios have claimed to be just as damaging to them as piracy if not more so, is BAD?

What the fuck?

Is buying clothes from goodwill the same as shoplifting? Is buying a used car the same as stealing one?

 

[dfphetteplace]

So he just made that instead of buying it at all, people who don't want multiplayer will just pirate it.

 

[Stall]

Is buying clothes from goodwill the same as shoplifting? Is buying a used car the same as stealing one?

Both result in the original seller of the item not getting profit, so they DO have the same impact. The only real difference here is that one is legal, and one is not.

So yes, in the eyes of developers, piracy is basically the same thing as the used game market, since legal or not, they're getting screwed out of a games sale (i.e. profit) either way.

 

[Simeon Ivanov]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Not the sewer level!!! That's the best place to be!!!

I was thinking of buying the game because noting was coming out in that period ... but ...

Screw you to id.

Edit: Okay, now that I'm calm, I can see WHY they do it. And it's actually pretty sweet. Better than the Activiosn-DRM-bullshit, to say the least. And it's not a big part of the game ... so yeah. Not bad, id. Better than Blizzard

 

[ryo02]

erm correct me if Im wrong (Im not) but this wont actually stop piracy its very clearly aimed at the used game market.

every used game was once new and bought as such and can never be owned by more than one person at a given time in other words THEY GOT THEIR MONEY.

I planned to buy this new day one but this support of DRM and cutting bits out of the single player is making me reconsider.

 

[cerebus23]

The bottom line is do games warrant different treatment then used cars, televisions, computers, appliances, etc. Games are the few things that publishers will tell you you do not actually own said game, but games are no different than cars, you buy a game and open it its value plummits, same for a car, same for just about anything you can buy new vs used, but you can trade in your games for 5 10 bucks whatever it is gs and others are turning around selling that used copy for 20 to 30 dollars profit, and the publishers and devs get no cut of that, well they get no cut of used dvd sales, does ford chevy or any car manufacturer get money when those cars are sold used? no.

you cannot point to any other item and say you see anything that is treated like games and gamers are. what is really scary is how many people are meh whatever with it, and that games demanding something no other sellable thing gets and shrinking your rights as consumers more and more.

I would think this is more bethesdas doing than ids but who knows, but either way it seems people that will want to buy the games used will be more skrewd than people that pirate the games.

 

[Whateveralot]

I love it how gamers are so self-destructive, they don't even realise what they spew sometimes.

This system = more money for development of future games = good for the industry as a whole.

The irony?
A lot of people that complain about this will still buy the game, or other (future) games from this developer. And they have probably complained about most other developers out there as well. Silly, silly people.

 

[Thyunda]

I like how everybody is reading this and then throwing their keyboards on the ground in disgust. How dare a developer expect to make money off their own product?! This is extortion! If I want to exclusively support retailers who make money where developers don't, the developer should go out of their way to cater to me!

Come on. Drop the attitude. I don't see anything wrong with this. At all. At the end of the day, you're losing practically nothing. It's an add-on. Almost a DLC. You want to buy a game at a fraction of the cost, be grateful you're not even losing a fraction of the full game. You're just getting 100%, whereas the new-copy buyers are getting 110%.
You want the extras - bloody pay for them. Stop whining. It's pathetic.

I thought like that not too long ago. Then something hit me: only triple-AAA publishers are being dicks about this. You know, the ones who stand to make the most money. You don't see publishers like NIS and Atlus pulling this crap and they stand to benefit the most from a system like this because their sales are already going to be very low. Any profit for them is good. So this is just basic greed.

I don't see how it is greed if you're asking for a fair cut of the profits from something you devoted a lot of time and money to.
And the reason why only Triple-A publishers are doing this is because they're the only ones who can really stand to lose as much from making games. They have more money, they put more money in. If they start getting less money back, they'll be suffering bigger losses than a smaller company. A corporate giant can collapse faster than a corner shop once it gets hit.

 

[Traun]

Really - it doesn't sound bad. You don't have to be online all the time, you just have to enter a series key once and that's that.

I'm going to say you people are whiners and leave it at that.

 

[Xrysthos]

I never purchase games second hand, mostly because there aren't any stores around where I live that offer this kind of service, but also because I prefer to know that there won't be any problems with the game (i.e. scratched disks). In other words this isn't much of a problem to me. I see where the company is coming from (disregarding microtransactions, purchasing a game second hand nets the publisher/developer the same amount of money as a pirated copy would), but removing single-player content is a bit harsh. Anyways, when I buy a game I prefer to give as much of the money as possible to the developers, not the middle men.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

Next time I want to buy a used Mercedes, I'll call official Mercedes dealership to ask them if they're gonna cut my brakes if I don't give them a piece of that action.

This is fuckin' stupid. Stop punishing gamers already. This kind of behavior can only increase piracy.

Or you could, you know, buy the game new and actually support the developer? Rather than the, "Fuck you, I want to buy your game at a cheaper price, and not let any of the money go back to you, and you're a piece of shit for wanting to make a profit off of the sale of one of your games." attitude you've got going now.

I don't get why people are all up in arms about this. RAGE is going to be a massive game by the way all of the news stories seem to say about it, if it's a good game it'll be worth the money to buy it new. If you really want to save money and buy it used, then you're paying for a lesser experience. I see no issue in this.

You really want to blame somebody: Blame GameStop for not giving a portion of their 100% gain on a used game being sold back to the developers.

Exactly. Gamestop is problem, not the consumer. I might be perfectly willing to buy a game new, unless of course the developers pull something like this. Then I just don't buy it, because fuck 'em. If they feel the need to force people to buy it new, then they don't need my money.

Because at some point in the future, there won't be any new copies of Rage. Apparently, all people living in this far off time of a few months from now should eat shit, because they aren't getting part of this game, even if they wanted it new.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I like how everybody is reading this and then throwing their keyboards on the ground in disgust. How dare a developer expect to make money off their own product?! This is extortion! If I want to exclusively support retailers who make money where developers don't, the developer should go out of their way to cater to me!

Come on. Drop the attitude. I don't see anything wrong with this. At all. At the end of the day, you're losing practically nothing. It's an add-on. Almost a DLC. You want to buy a game at a fraction of the cost, be grateful you're not even losing a fraction of the full game. You're just getting 100%, whereas the new-copy buyers are getting 110%.
You want the extras - bloody pay for them. Stop whining. It's pathetic.

I thought like that not too long ago. Then something hit me: only triple-AAA publishers are being dicks about this. You know, the ones who stand to make the most money. You don't see publishers like NIS and Atlus pulling this crap and they stand to benefit the most from a system like this because their sales are already going to be very low. Any profit for them is good. So this is just basic greed.

I don't see how it is greed if you're asking for a fair cut of the profits from something you devoted a lot of time and money to.
And the reason why only Triple-A publishers are doing this is because they're the only ones who can really stand to lose as much from making games. They have more money, they put more money in. If they start getting less money back, they'll be suffering bigger losses than a smaller company. A corporate giant can collapse faster than a corner shop once it gets hit.

Here is the thing: they were paid. Someone bought the game. Now they want to get paid a second time.

Really - it doesn't sound bad. You don't have to be online all the time, you just have to enter a series key once and that's that.

I'm going to say you people are whiners and leave it at that.

One problem: I don't have LIVE (I can't get it to work). So even if I buy it new, I still get locked out of content. I imagine that I'm not the only one. Fun.

 

[faspxina]

Next time I want to buy a used Mercedes, I'll call official Mercedes dealership to ask them if they're gonna cut my brakes if I don't give them a piece of that action.

This is fuckin' stupid. Used games market should be no different than any other market for used stuff. This kind of behavior can only increase piracy. There should be a law against this.

xD Thank your for that post.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

What I don't get is the fact that it's clear to me that the problem is not used game sales, but GameStop, so why don't Publishers just start refusing to deal with GameStop?