Then they should fucking punish GameStop, yeah? And the attitude is "I can't afford 60 dollars, but 40 or 20 won't break my bank." Selfish? Consumer rights. We don't have to buy the game, they're lucky we're buying them at all.Scizophrenic Llama said:
This is not free dlc. It's similar to it, but it's cutting stuff that's already on the disk. DLC is stuff that is not on the disk, hence downloadable content. And it doesn't discriminate against used buyers, but people don't have a way to connect their console to the internet too. Maybe you should try thinking before you make yourself sound like an idiot.Piflik said:
For the analogy to represent IGs actions, they wouldn't be cutting the breaks as that disrupts the cars main function. Instead, they are refusing to give you the car's floor mats, warranty coverage, manuals etc. Which is what happens with second hand cars in real life anyway. If you buy something second hand, the original producers of that product shouldn't be under any obligation to hand you the extras they offered the original customer.ImprovizoR said:
It is not on the disc. Everyone has to download it. As I said, read the full interview. Willits clearly says that it is an incentive to new buyers and that you have to download it.Himmelgeher said:
Maybe you should start reading before you call other people names...
It will be clear sooner or later - they just aren't speaking yet - Carmack is allowed to say what he wants on QuakeCon and i have repeatedly said that might be another one of those "out of context" stuff -- we are not sure what he meant - bethesda is quiet.qwerty19411 said:
Wrong. You read the Terms & Conditions? If not its your problem and there is NOTHING they can be sued for.sosolidshoe said:I can't understand why this is legal. As in, I actually can't see how they could get away with this without being sued. A game disc, and the game on that disc, is a PRODUCT, not a service. These companies can get away with locking multiplayer access because the multiplayer aspect of the game requires connection to servers, making it a service.Mike Kayatta said:Rage Cuts Single-Player When You Buy It Used
Rage's creative director has confirmed the lack of always-on DRM, but announced single-player cuts for aftermarket buyers.
In recent years, game publishers have made it no secret that they aren't particularly thrilled with the effect that pirating and used game sales have had on their profit margins. In response, they've stuffed games with everything from online passkeys to the ever-loathed always-on DRM, while gamers have had the privilege of playing guinea pig to whatever solutions they come up with. Bethesda's upcoming post-apocalyptic shooter Rage is no exception, and the game's creative director Tim Willits has confirmed what you'll be missing out on if you fail to buy it with the shrink wrap still in place: an entire section of the game's single-player experience.
Most people who spend a good part of their day on XBL or PSN have probably already run into the online pass, a special one-use code included with your disc that generally unlocks the game's multiplayer mode once you redeem it. What this means, of course, is that if you ever sell that game after growing bored with it, the unlucky sod who gets it next won't be able to pwn his buddies with that overpowered sniper rifle he unlocked by beating the game until he or she drops what's usually another $10 to $20 on a pass of his or her own. Rage won't be protecting its multiplayer, but it will be using a similar idea for part of its single player campaign. The "sewer hatches," an underground tunnel system that will reportedly bring players to new enemies and missions, will only open up with a brand new copy of the game.
When asked about the section that would be cut for aftermarket buyers, Willits said, "[M]ost people never even see it. I can tell you, some people will buy Rage, download that, and still never set foot in those things. They just won't. I think that's fair. It's cool. It's outside the main path. We're not detracting from anything. But I know some consumers, when you can't avoid it, then you get a little touchy subject." Later, in the same interview, he confirmed that while Rage will include its own brand of online pass, it won't include always-on DRM. That doesn't mean we won't see it in other games id Software works on in the future, however, as he did go on to champion its use. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/112187-id-Software-Praises-Always-On-in-Diablo-3]
With Rage's plan sounding suspiciously similar to some sort of reverse day-one DLC, there're sure to be more than a handful of gamers who take issue with the decision. While publishers do have to take steps to protect their industry, what I don't understand is why Willits is trying to downplay the fun-factor of running through the sewer missions Rage is locking with an online pass. If it's true that "most people will never even see it" and that skipping the section doesn't "detract" anything from your experience, then why would this actually affect whether or not a gamer buys the game new or used?
Source: Eurogamer.net [http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-11-tim-willits-building-rage-and-never-selling-out-interview]
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However, if I buy a PRODUCT, that product is MINE by law. I own it. ALL of it. It doesn't matter if I buy it from the shop, or off the internet, or secondhand from a shady dude at a car boot sale, the physical product is in my possession, and as such is legally my property providing it was not stolen or copied. So why does this company feel it has the right to restrict my access to sections of a PRODUCT which I legally own?
If you are bleeding while making a video game you should probably consult your doctor.CrazyMedic said:
TOS comes after the purchase. Which is not how the TOS works for just about any other good or service. The only way to see the TOS is to put the game in a state that it cannot be returned: Opened.Withard said:
I know the rest of this will be fantastic.Withard said:
This would not be the same. This argument would fit with buying a deluxe edition of a game versus a standard edition. If they wanted to avoid scrutiny they'd just have the "extra miniscule thing" be a DLC code and word it appropriately.Withard said:
Again, this is deluxe versus standard edition. Currently they have a game that looks the same in both states, but one state is less valuable than the other. It is misleading and assumes that all gamers have access to their news releases.Withard said:
And again...different.Withard said:
It could...but you'd be making the wrong point over and over.Withard said:
There are actually a few films that have very important scenes removed from them to make time for the release. Seeing these in the directors cuts provides you with a mucher better understanding of the story.Withard said:
See. Weird. You finally make the point.Withard said:
Pretty much.-|- said:
And he's really Pro-used sales.
