Rape Games Banned in Japan, For Real

[Dogstile]

I just got up and now I feel like I need another shower. I try not to condemn cultures I don't understand, but those games are disgusting and completely indefensible.

actually, there is the defense that some people have a fetish for it, i actually know of a couple who play it together, and it brightens up their sex life a bit

you know, just sayin'

 

[Caliostro]

Sadism: The derivation of pleasure as a result of inflicting pain or watching pain inflicted on others.

Hence, a headshot is not sadism. Add to that, most combat games do not showcase the agnony of combat. Again, Manhunt is one of the few expections, and I doubt half as many people play that as the typical combat game.

Rape is all about the pain and suffering inflicted on the victims through control. If thats not present, it isn't really rape. Its centred around a massively different area of our pyschy than combat. And further, given most combat games are centred around the multiplayer, its hard to accept that its murder when the guy you just shot pops up again 1 minute later, alive and well.

Quoting the dictionary doesn't make you smart.

Read what I wrote again. No, a headshot by itself is not sadism. The fact that we almost always go for one even when we could get away with less, or are rewarded for it, is. Hell, most games reward us for overkill.

It's cute that you think you know psychology, but if you did you'd know that you're constantly triggering your mesolimbic system, being rewarded for your assassinations, kills and otherwise use of violence in your average game. Everytime your "score" goes up for it, everytime you complete an objective that involves executing someone. There's a message in your brain saying you did good. That's why we all love that "high score" message, or "mission complete". It's equally rewarding you for murder, making it vastly more acceptable to your subconscious.

In fact, here's one of my very favorite articles on the escapist [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_153/4960-The-Anatomy-of-Violence]. Fairly interesting read. So you see, while morally it's more acceptable, psychologically the "damage" it's doing is just as accentuated.

We've now seen a whole generation grow, of people who grew up on Postal, GTA, Doom and assorted games. It hasn't turned them into murderers any more than Rape Lay will turn your average pervert into a rapist. I'll leave you with another interesting read: Schadenfreude [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude], the reason we play most videogames.

good point...so are you saying that since it is culturally acceptable to kill/murder people in games that anything goes? how about peodophillia? although looking at some of the girls in these games they're pretty much borderline if not there already.

also for the most part combat or 'murder' games, to coin a phrase, dont involve the killing taking more than a few seconds of gun fire (for instance) and is only one aspect of the game. rather than being the whole game and involving a form of torture lasting long periods of time.

Why should ANYTHING "not go" in a videogame? You're not forced to play it. You don't like it, just don't buy it/play it. The whole social attempt to morally regulate harmless entertainment disgusts me to be honest.

If you're concerned about the psychological "implications" of these games, I suggest you read above my reply to other "concerned citizen". If GTA isn't turning us into deranged homicidal maniacs, games like Rape Lay are not going to turn people into rapists either...

 

[WrongSprite]

I don't mind if it isn't banned.

1) It's a game, there isn't a real child crying in a basement because it's been released.

2) You people act disgusted after killing thousands of "people"? I think you make me sick for your hypocrisy.

Again, "people" who are extremely quick to rise from the dead and attempt to shot us back. On top of that, (aside from Manhunt) is there a combat game about torturing the enemy? Or one where main thing is to cause the enemy agnony before they die?

Have you played GTA4?

Little confused with your first sentence also.

Yeah, I have. Again, I missed the 'Press X to torture' scene. And my first sentence was in reference to online multiplayer, where the majority of the 'people killing' happens. Add to that, the infinite respawning enemies in games like CoD4.

I think you've missed my point. I'm not on about torure here, I'm on about how killing has been normalised within games. Are you telling me that a rape game is worse than any point in GTA4 where you can walk up to a civilian, and gun them down in cold blood, kicking them as they crawl away? Use some sense.

 

[GothmogII]

I don't mind if it isn't banned.

1) It's a game, there isn't a real child crying in a basement because it's been released.

2) You people act disgusted after killing thousands of "people"? I think you make me sick for your hypocrisy.

Again, "people" who are extremely quick to rise from the dead and attempt to shot us back. On top of that, (aside from Manhunt) is there a combat game about torturing the enemy? Or one where main thing is to cause the enemy agnony before they die?

Have you played GTA4?

Little confused with your first sentence also.

Yeah, I have. Again, I missed the 'Press X to torture' scene. And my first sentence was in reference to online multiplayer, where the majority of the 'people killing' happens. Add to that, the infinite respawning enemies in games like CoD4.

You seem to be mistaking rape games for some other type of game. Yes, some of these games contain content where you do far more harm than rape, i.e. the use of deadly instruments, sharp or spiked objects. However, those fall under the purview of torture games or even further than that Ero guro or mutilation porn.

The games that are being talked about here are purely -rape- games. Forced sex. Which yes, is used and can be broadly considered a form of torture on it's own, but we are not talking about killing rape victims in these games, nor slicing them up.

And, to pull out a great big mallet to bash some people on the head with: We STILL are not talking about justifying rape. That is wrong, I'd wager almost every single person on this site knows this! We're talking about banning a piece of interactive media that depicts fictional characters being raped. This content disgusts me too, that doesn't mean it should be banned just because I don't like it. If someone can show me that, yes, not only does it increase rape rates, but that it -directly- causes those who view it to go out and rape, then yes, ban the hell out of it! As it stands I have no reason to believe this is so.

 

[Nemo from Utopia]

hahahah! imagine getting that for christmas... lol

People which like this kind of game will not run around wildely and rape girls. You are talking like people are brainless idiots which have to be controlled to never do something wrong. Many can very well distinguish the difference between reality and a game. Its a bit like saying movies in which people are shot should be forbidden because it makes us all to murders because we already saw someone die.. I guess this would just mean 99% of all movies in the world should be forbidden. People which tell people that they are too stupid to not get sick in their brain and therefore need to control what they can watch and watch not is a bit odd..

but you seem to forget... we all play violent video games and we all go out and kill people? ..... or at least thats what the news tells me?? lol

who here has been arguing that people who play these games are rapists or that these games will make people rape eachother? films and games about violence or which have violence and rape in them generally have some kind of point to them other than just being violent. whereas rape games are simply that and desensitise people to a notion of rape where women actually end up enjoying it or at least, dont put up much of a fight and there are no consequences to this.

in games/films about murder or war (at least most modern ones) tend to deal with these issues in a more realistic way, even if its just the poilce chasing you (gta). i suppose i may only be defending 'murder' games becuase i enjoy them but, like you say im not gonna go out and murder someone.

this is a rediculous argument and i cant believe anyone could argue for these games except to say that these gamers and manufacturers have the freedom of expression which entitles them to do whatever the hell they want - which, may i add, no one has actually said so far.

 

[Dylar]

Only in Japan would this be an issue.

 

[Nemo from Utopia]

by the way, im not for banning them necessarily, i am for freedom of expression. i just didnt realise these existed on this kind of scale and am shocked by this fact and am voicing my opinion on the matter.

 

[Doug]

The games that are being talked about here are purely -rape- games. Forced sex. Which yes, is used and can be broadly considered a form of torture on it's own, but we are not talking about killing rape victims in these games, nor slicing them up.

Fair enough about the rest of your post, but I do take the view that rape is a form of torture. That is what I meant, apologies if it didn't come out right.

 

[Nemo from Utopia]

Why should ANYTHING "not go" in a videogame? You're not forced to play it. You don't like it, just don't buy it/play it. The whole social attempt to morally regulate harmless entertainment disgusts me to be honest.

If you're concerned about the psychological "implications" of these games, I suggest you read above my reply to other "concerned citizen". If GTA isn't turning us into deranged homicidal maniacs, games like Rape Lay are not going to turn people into rapists either...

I probably didnt make it clear before, im not for banning these games or any game. i am simply saying that i am disgusted that they exist. people can differentiate games from reality and are not simply going to replicate what they see on tv. i just cant believe people would choose to pay for this kind of game. its a joke anyway, for the most part as was argued earlier, these games are so unlike rape you shouldnt really call them that - bdsm at worst really, or as my bf likes to say 'surprise sex'.

 

[johnman]

Gang Raped by the Entire Village ~Girls Covered in Milky Liquid~ to The Trap Set by the Entire Village ~Bodies Covered in Milky Liquid~.

I wonder what those games will be about? - gang raped by the entire village? Whose betting on that being the blurb as well?

 

[Doug]

I don't mind if it isn't banned.

1) It's a game, there isn't a real child crying in a basement because it's been released.

2) You people act disgusted after killing thousands of "people"? I think you make me sick for your hypocrisy.

Again, "people" who are extremely quick to rise from the dead and attempt to shot us back. On top of that, (aside from Manhunt) is there a combat game about torturing the enemy? Or one where main thing is to cause the enemy agnony before they die?

Have you played GTA4?

Little confused with your first sentence also.

Yeah, I have. Again, I missed the 'Press X to torture' scene. And my first sentence was in reference to online multiplayer, where the majority of the 'people killing' happens. Add to that, the infinite respawning enemies in games like CoD4.

I think you've missed my point. I'm not on about torure here, I'm on about how killing has been normalised within games. Are you telling me that a rape game is worse than any point in GTA4 where you can walk up to a civilian, and gun them down in cold blood, kicking them as they crawl away? Use some sense.

Shoot them, yes. Shoot them, leave them crippled, and kick them in the face?! Can that occur in a GTA game? I haven't actually tried that, to be fair. And I would point out that, again, GTA isn't primarily about that - in fact, I don't think I've ever particularly tried to kill civilians in any GTA game - accidently hit the 'shoot' key, etc, but not tried to do so.

A rape game, in contrast, is about rape. You HAVE to rape to play the game, yes? Else it is an odd choice of game.

 

[WrongSprite]

I don't mind if it isn't banned.

1) It's a game, there isn't a real child crying in a basement because it's been released.

2) You people act disgusted after killing thousands of "people"? I think you make me sick for your hypocrisy.

Again, "people" who are extremely quick to rise from the dead and attempt to shot us back. On top of that, (aside from Manhunt) is there a combat game about torturing the enemy? Or one where main thing is to cause the enemy agnony before they die?

Have you played GTA4?

Little confused with your first sentence also.

Yeah, I have. Again, I missed the 'Press X to torture' scene. And my first sentence was in reference to online multiplayer, where the majority of the 'people killing' happens. Add to that, the infinite respawning enemies in games like CoD4.

I think you've missed my point. I'm not on about torure here, I'm on about how killing has been normalised within games. Are you telling me that a rape game is worse than any point in GTA4 where you can walk up to a civilian, and gun them down in cold blood, kicking them as they crawl away? Use some sense.

Shoot them, yes. Shoot them, leave them crippled, and kick them in the face?! Can that occur in a GTA game? I haven't actually tried that, to be fair. And I would point out that, again, GTA isn't primarily about that - in fact, I don't think I've ever particularly tried to kill civilians in any GTA game - accidently hit the 'shoot' key, etc, but not tried to do so.

A rape game, in contrast, is about rape. You HAVE to rape to play the game, yes? Else it is an odd choice of game.

What matters is that the content is there, whether you use it or not.

After all, you could just be buying the rape game for the animations, which i've heard are terrific.

 

[Doug]

Why should ANYTHING "not go" in a videogame? You're not forced to play it. You don't like it, just don't buy it/play it. The whole social attempt to morally regulate harmless entertainment disgusts me to be honest.

If you're concerned about the psychological "implications" of these games, I suggest you read above my reply to other "concerned citizen". If GTA isn't turning us into deranged homicidal maniacs, games like Rape Lay are not going to turn people into rapists either...

I probably didnt make it clear before, im not for banning these games or any game. i am simply saying that i am disgusted that they exist. people can differentiate games from reality and are not simply going to replicate what they see on tv. i just cant believe people would choose to pay for this kind of game. its a joke anyway, for the most part as was argued earlier, these games are so unlike rape you shouldnt really call them that - bdsm at worst really, or as my bf likes to say 'surprise sex'.

Fair enough, fair enough. Although calling them rape games and having names like 'Rapelay' and 'The entire village gangbanged them' are a very poor choice of name then if they are BDSM games.

 

[Doug]

I don't mind if it isn't banned.

1) It's a game, there isn't a real child crying in a basement because it's been released.

2) You people act disgusted after killing thousands of "people"? I think you make me sick for your hypocrisy.

Again, "people" who are extremely quick to rise from the dead and attempt to shot us back. On top of that, (aside from Manhunt) is there a combat game about torturing the enemy? Or one where main thing is to cause the enemy agnony before they die?

Have you played GTA4?

Little confused with your first sentence also.

Yeah, I have. Again, I missed the 'Press X to torture' scene. And my first sentence was in reference to online multiplayer, where the majority of the 'people killing' happens. Add to that, the infinite respawning enemies in games like CoD4.

I think you've missed my point. I'm not on about torure here, I'm on about how killing has been normalised within games. Are you telling me that a rape game is worse than any point in GTA4 where you can walk up to a civilian, and gun them down in cold blood, kicking them as they crawl away? Use some sense.

Shoot them, yes. Shoot them, leave them crippled, and kick them in the face?! Can that occur in a GTA game? I haven't actually tried that, to be fair. And I would point out that, again, GTA isn't primarily about that - in fact, I don't think I've ever particularly tried to kill civilians in any GTA game - accidently hit the 'shoot' key, etc, but not tried to do so.

A rape game, in contrast, is about rape. You HAVE to rape to play the game, yes? Else it is an odd choice of game.

What matters is that the content is there, whether you use it or not.

After all, you could just be buying the rape game for the animations, which i've heard are terrific.

Erm, wha? Ok, by your reasoning, someone who buys a game where in you can be the evilist bastard who ever lived, but played the saintly path (and lets be honest, thats most games that bang on about choice) is expected to defend the evil bastard path?

And animations about rape...yeah, I think if you're buying a game for those, your pretty much in the same leagues as everyone else who bought the rape game (I presume there are a few expections, like people who had to review it and/or play it so they could write an article on it).

 

[neuromasser]

Oh noes! D: What will I play on the weekends now? I guess I'll stay home as usual and play with my cat. Here, kitty kitty...

 

[WrongSprite]

I don't mind if it isn't banned.

1) It's a game, there isn't a real child crying in a basement because it's been released.

2) You people act disgusted after killing thousands of "people"? I think you make me sick for your hypocrisy.

Again, "people" who are extremely quick to rise from the dead and attempt to shot us back. On top of that, (aside from Manhunt) is there a combat game about torturing the enemy? Or one where main thing is to cause the enemy agnony before they die?

Have you played GTA4?

Little confused with your first sentence also.

Yeah, I have. Again, I missed the 'Press X to torture' scene. And my first sentence was in reference to online multiplayer, where the majority of the 'people killing' happens. Add to that, the infinite respawning enemies in games like CoD4.

I think you've missed my point. I'm not on about torure here, I'm on about how killing has been normalised within games. Are you telling me that a rape game is worse than any point in GTA4 where you can walk up to a civilian, and gun them down in cold blood, kicking them as they crawl away? Use some sense.

Shoot them, yes. Shoot them, leave them crippled, and kick them in the face?! Can that occur in a GTA game? I haven't actually tried that, to be fair. And I would point out that, again, GTA isn't primarily about that - in fact, I don't think I've ever particularly tried to kill civilians in any GTA game - accidently hit the 'shoot' key, etc, but not tried to do so.

A rape game, in contrast, is about rape. You HAVE to rape to play the game, yes? Else it is an odd choice of game.

What matters is that the content is there, whether you use it or not.

After all, you could just be buying the rape game for the animations, which i've heard are terrific.

Erm, wha? Ok, by your reasoning, someone who buys a game where in you can be the evilist bastard who ever lived, but played the saintly path (and lets be honest, thats most games that bang on about choice) is expected to defend the evil bastard path?

And animations about rape...yeah, I think if you're buying a game for those, your pretty much in the same leagues as everyone else who bought the rape game (I presume there are a few expections, like people who had to review it and/or play it so they could write an article on it).

BAAAAH

I give up, honestly.

Look, I was saying that the opportunity to be the evilest bastard who ever lived exists, therefore some people are going to do just that. THEREEEEFOREEEE the possibilites in that game are worse than in rapelay, therefore if one is going to be banned, ban the other.

I was joking about the animations.

Please no more XD

 

[Nemo from Utopia]

I don't mind if it isn't banned.

1) It's a game, there isn't a real child crying in a basement because it's been released.

2) You people act disgusted after killing thousands of "people"? I think you make me sick for your hypocrisy.

Again, "people" who are extremely quick to rise from the dead and attempt to shot us back. On top of that, (aside from Manhunt) is there a combat game about torturing the enemy? Or one where main thing is to cause the enemy agnony before they die?

Have you played GTA4?

Little confused with your first sentence also.

Yeah, I have. Again, I missed the 'Press X to torture' scene. And my first sentence was in reference to online multiplayer, where the majority of the 'people killing' happens. Add to that, the infinite respawning enemies in games like CoD4.

I think you've missed my point. I'm not on about torure here, I'm on about how killing has been normalised within games. Are you telling me that a rape game is worse than any point in GTA4 where you can walk up to a civilian, and gun them down in cold blood, kicking them as they crawl away? Use some sense.

Shoot them, yes. Shoot them, leave them crippled, and kick them in the face?! Can that occur in a GTA game? I haven't actually tried that, to be fair. And I would point out that, again, GTA isn't primarily about that - in fact, I don't think I've ever particularly tried to kill civilians in any GTA game - accidently hit the 'shoot' key, etc, but not tried to do so.

A rape game, in contrast, is about rape. You HAVE to rape to play the game, yes? Else it is an odd choice of game.

What matters is that the content is there, whether you use it or not.

After all, you could just be buying the rape game for the animations, which i've heard are terrific.

...thats rediculous. thats like saying 'some of the disney animators placed discrete falac images in the cartoons so it has sexual content so its as good as a porn film'...ok thats an extreme example but seriously, if a game presents you with the choice of how to behave that doesnt mean your gonna do it, and it doesnt necessarily encourage it. you dont get rewards for killing people brutally in GTA, you only ever get minimal money when you kill a civilian, not worth the bullets or the police chase really. basically it simulating RL, if you walked around with a gun you COULD kill people, or you could not. your choice. the games not called 'kill everyone and enjoy doing it' is it?