Rape Games Banned in Japan
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I don't get what you're saying. Yes, there are abhorrent video games out there. No, I'm not cool with that.Bulletinmybrain said:
So... mainstream America is just realizing that Japan has a weird rape fixation?
Way to be on the ball there, I figured this out when I was a teenager.
Of course a ban on rape games will put a nice big dent in the Japanese video game industry. It won't do squat about similarly themed Manga and live action videos.
Way to be on the ball there, I figured this out when I was a teenager.
Of course a ban on rape games will put a nice big dent in the Japanese video game industry. It won't do squat about similarly themed Manga and live action videos.
At NoMoreSanity,
Underground? I would be surprised if it happened like that. More than likely, it will become more of a shareware model, where you simply pay to download an Unrated game, that has been self-rated by the makers as adult-only.
This "ban" is actually bad IMO, because there really won't be a way to make sure that the person downloading is of legal age. At least when they were getting official ratings and were physically sold on discs, the person in the adult-stores could refuse sales to minors (and boot the minor out of the store).
Underground? I would be surprised if it happened like that. More than likely, it will become more of a shareware model, where you simply pay to download an Unrated game, that has been self-rated by the makers as adult-only.
This "ban" is actually bad IMO, because there really won't be a way to make sure that the person downloading is of legal age. At least when they were getting official ratings and were physically sold on discs, the person in the adult-stores could refuse sales to minors (and boot the minor out of the store).
Now I don't agree with it for a reason most wouldn't understand (or even believe) Japanese hentai games normally have a GREAT story. As it would be with the cultural opposite of america. (think of the ?plot? in a porno) It's fake images of fake girls. Anyone who thinks it's harmful must likewise think video games cause violent people. For those that don't play them for the story and are indeed sexual deviants, I would rather them play a fake game then for them to go out and try to rape the real thing.
Actually, as far as psychological implications goes, it's not. It's teaching you to pull the trigger. It's teaching you to take a life.mspencer82 said:
Yet you play videogames where you you are constantly exposed and desensitized to violence and murder. But rape is out of line? Who draws the line? Where is the line drawn? Is murder better or more acceptable than rape? Are your tastes right and someone else's wrongs? How do we differentiate between objective and subjective?
There's a really good way to draw that line. A very clear, very simple, and very effective line: Was someone hurt? IS someone hurt because this game exists? No. It's fictional. Nobody is forced to play it either. So here's a thought: Don't like it? Don't play it.
From that point onward you can try to apply any other bullshit pseudo-intellectual mechanics that can ultimately be equally applied to anything someone else doesn't like all you want but it's moot. You don't like it? My god man, I have the perfect solution for you! Don't play it! You don't even have to buy it! I know, I'm brilliant!
Actually you haven't, you danced around it.Good morning blues said:
I pose to you the same question as to the person above: Where does one draw the line? You seem to draw the line on taste, and taste alone is quite subjective. Read above for the rest, no need to copy paste.
Like it or not, some people do have rape fantasies. Maybe more than we can imagine.
IMO, banning this kind of porn could prevent people who have rape fantasies from realising them virtually, which would make them more in need of those.
For example, when you are in need of sex, you can have sex with someone or go watch some porn. When you're finished with that, you won't need sex/porn for a little while if you have had enough. That's exactly the same thing for people who play rape games. They have to satisfy their desires, and I would say that satisfying them on a virtual game is much better than on a real person, no?
We can't always be hypocrite and lie to us by saying that this is digusting or horrible and such, it's part of the human nature to have sexual fantasies and you can't do anything about it, only control your own fantasies. Some people just need these kind of games/porn to help them control their sexual tensions.
IMO, banning this kind of porn could prevent people who have rape fantasies from realising them virtually, which would make them more in need of those.
For example, when you are in need of sex, you can have sex with someone or go watch some porn. When you're finished with that, you won't need sex/porn for a little while if you have had enough. That's exactly the same thing for people who play rape games. They have to satisfy their desires, and I would say that satisfying them on a virtual game is much better than on a real person, no?
We can't always be hypocrite and lie to us by saying that this is digusting or horrible and such, it's part of the human nature to have sexual fantasies and you can't do anything about it, only control your own fantasies. Some people just need these kind of games/porn to help them control their sexual tensions.
I think it's time for people to grow up. This is a bad thing any way people look at it, especially on the censorship front. I find it very disturbing that even Japan is now giving in to censorship pressure rather than fighting.
Some of you might be saying at this point "but Theru, we're talking about a RAPE game". My answer to which is still "grow the heck up". Let me be honest, I'm the victim of a sexual assault (by a gay man) when I was like six. The experience was so traumatic that I apparently don't remember it, but I have been told it happened. I've spent time in therepy, and yes I know the problems with REAL rape as a phenomena.
The thing is though that "rape" is a common sexual fantasy for all genders and sexual orientations. The idea of being lusted after and taken forcibly by an attractive member of whatever group YOU happen to like. Heck, it's the theme of probably like 90% of the romance novels with women being kidnapped by some Pirate (portrayed by like Fabio on the cover) and used mercilessly by him until (sighs) she falls in love.
Now of course reality isn't like this, and of course this is where the seperation between fantasy and reality comes in. Typicall rape is performed by someone that the victim doesn't paticularly care for, or based soley on the gratification of the rapist, or some delusion that blurs fantasy and reality in some way.
However, this does not change the nature of the "Rape fantasy" in of itself and honestly I'd say it's pretty bloody "healthy" (in the fact that it's normal). You establish this precedent and I DEMAND people start looking into some of these bloody women's romance novels and crud. I can guaran-bloody-tee that your going to see some serious outrage from these women's groups if people started focusing on a lot of those.
A key example of where I guess a produced directed at men is considered to be in some way wrong, but turn it around and direct it at women and it's A-okay. Welcome to feminism.
For the record I will point at long-running and successful series of novels like "Gor" or "Marketplace" which appeal to memebers of both genders. In fact there is a whole "Gorean" BDSM culture that some people live as a kinky lifestyle (cosentually). Look up "Gorean" sometime. Not to mention the various erotic Anne Rice novels. Not so much her vampire stuff but books like "The Claiming Of Sleeping Beauty" which was marketed towards women.
Then I will also point out as someone who has watched a lot of anime and even played a few hentai games that typically rape is EITHER part of a horror plot, OR if portrayed as being a fairly "good" thing it's similar to the above novels where the "victim" actually winds up enjoying themselves.
"But wait! Rape Victims enjoying themselves is wrong!" some are going to protest. In reality this isn't the way it is, but we're not dealing with reality but people visualizing perverted daydreams.
I've never played "Rapelay" though it was reviewd on Something Awful and I have had some experiences with apparently less intense versions of the same concept (like Variable Geo which spawned it's own anime). Not to mention the ancient "Metal And Lace".
The basic premise as I understand it is that there is a fighting tournament full of attractive women where the losers wind up having to pleasure the winners who then move on. Of course the trick here is that your dealing with what amount to a group of hard doms (despite what they might act like overtly) who are after various objectives but also want to use the competition, and who also get off on being used when they lose, but prefer things go the other way.
A very basic simplification (and maybe I'm thinking of the wrong game like Battleraper, or any of the other games around this basic premise), but honestly I think the contreversy here is that they put "Rape" in the title, causing people to jump to conclusions, and of course the current tendency for businesses not to stand up to the censorship lobby.
I mean honestly Variable Geo and Rumble Roses (including the XX version) feature losers being humiliated by the winners in some rather sexy fashions. Typically as part of the rules of the tournaments/leagues in which the characters intentionally fight. It's a bloody ancient idea and nobody cared until "OMG! Someone has 'rape' in the title of a game on Amazon!".
... and honestly, if it's the game I think it is, there are worse. Knights Of Xentar and the series it came from (Dragon Knight or whatever), Lightning Warrior Raidy, and then there is this X-com inspired game someone was telling me about (I think Something Awful also reviewd it) involving female soldiers fighting tentecle rape demons (which actually sounds like something I might play if I could find it in a budget bin, since I like that genere of tactical game, and definatly have my perveted moments ).
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Some of you might be saying at this point "but Theru, we're talking about a RAPE game". My answer to which is still "grow the heck up". Let me be honest, I'm the victim of a sexual assault (by a gay man) when I was like six. The experience was so traumatic that I apparently don't remember it, but I have been told it happened. I've spent time in therepy, and yes I know the problems with REAL rape as a phenomena.
The thing is though that "rape" is a common sexual fantasy for all genders and sexual orientations. The idea of being lusted after and taken forcibly by an attractive member of whatever group YOU happen to like. Heck, it's the theme of probably like 90% of the romance novels with women being kidnapped by some Pirate (portrayed by like Fabio on the cover) and used mercilessly by him until (sighs) she falls in love.
Now of course reality isn't like this, and of course this is where the seperation between fantasy and reality comes in. Typicall rape is performed by someone that the victim doesn't paticularly care for, or based soley on the gratification of the rapist, or some delusion that blurs fantasy and reality in some way.
However, this does not change the nature of the "Rape fantasy" in of itself and honestly I'd say it's pretty bloody "healthy" (in the fact that it's normal). You establish this precedent and I DEMAND people start looking into some of these bloody women's romance novels and crud. I can guaran-bloody-tee that your going to see some serious outrage from these women's groups if people started focusing on a lot of those.
A key example of where I guess a produced directed at men is considered to be in some way wrong, but turn it around and direct it at women and it's A-okay. Welcome to feminism.
For the record I will point at long-running and successful series of novels like "Gor" or "Marketplace" which appeal to memebers of both genders. In fact there is a whole "Gorean" BDSM culture that some people live as a kinky lifestyle (cosentually). Look up "Gorean" sometime. Not to mention the various erotic Anne Rice novels. Not so much her vampire stuff but books like "The Claiming Of Sleeping Beauty" which was marketed towards women.
Then I will also point out as someone who has watched a lot of anime and even played a few hentai games that typically rape is EITHER part of a horror plot, OR if portrayed as being a fairly "good" thing it's similar to the above novels where the "victim" actually winds up enjoying themselves.
"But wait! Rape Victims enjoying themselves is wrong!" some are going to protest. In reality this isn't the way it is, but we're not dealing with reality but people visualizing perverted daydreams.
I've never played "Rapelay" though it was reviewd on Something Awful and I have had some experiences with apparently less intense versions of the same concept (like Variable Geo which spawned it's own anime). Not to mention the ancient "Metal And Lace".
The basic premise as I understand it is that there is a fighting tournament full of attractive women where the losers wind up having to pleasure the winners who then move on. Of course the trick here is that your dealing with what amount to a group of hard doms (despite what they might act like overtly) who are after various objectives but also want to use the competition, and who also get off on being used when they lose, but prefer things go the other way.
A very basic simplification (and maybe I'm thinking of the wrong game like Battleraper, or any of the other games around this basic premise), but honestly I think the contreversy here is that they put "Rape" in the title, causing people to jump to conclusions, and of course the current tendency for businesses not to stand up to the censorship lobby.
I mean honestly Variable Geo and Rumble Roses (including the XX version) feature losers being humiliated by the winners in some rather sexy fashions. Typically as part of the rules of the tournaments/leagues in which the characters intentionally fight. It's a bloody ancient idea and nobody cared until "OMG! Someone has 'rape' in the title of a game on Amazon!".
... and honestly, if it's the game I think it is, there are worse. Knights Of Xentar and the series it came from (Dragon Knight or whatever), Lightning Warrior Raidy, and then there is this X-com inspired game someone was telling me about (I think Something Awful also reviewd it) involving female soldiers fighting tentecle rape demons (which actually sounds like something I might play if I could find it in a budget bin, since I like that genere of tactical game, and definatly have my perveted moments ).
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haha personally I don't see how any supposedly moral person can ban this game while we have say Mad-world on the block with is literally a game based around killing someone in the most bloody inhuman ways imaginable 
.... does mad world, or say GTA, or saint's row 2 (etc) actually support murder? if not then why would you autonmatically think this supports rape? I suggest you people think about this before condemning something you don't understand, now admittedly I've never played anything of the sort, On the other hand a friend of mine, and a female one at that... after reading this totally wants the game.
.... does mad world, or say GTA, or saint's row 2 (etc) actually support murder? if not then why would you autonmatically think this supports rape? I suggest you people think about this before condemning something you don't understand, now admittedly I've never played anything of the sort, On the other hand a friend of mine, and a female one at that... after reading this totally wants the game.
There were studies done that showed that because of all these video games that simulate rape, there were less sexual acts of violence because offenders had found an outlet for their disgusting tendencies.
Hmmmm... I don't know what to make of it.
Hmmmm... I don't know what to make of it.
I guess this is the whole media effects theory all over again.
What IS acceptable in a game?
Rape, I personally don't think should be allowed.
But if you go by what is legal, things would become problematic.
Playing 'Counter Strike' for example, it would be illegal to play as the terrorists, yet perfectly legal to play as the counter terrorists.
By going for what is legal, this would also open the door to graphic sex games, as sex is clearly legal. Which would mean GTA4 would have all the guns, weapons and illegal car driving taken out!
I think there is going to be a massive cultural shift in the world thanks to games. Something much bigger than we have experienced already. Something that will shatter culture as we know it.
What IS acceptable in a game?
Rape, I personally don't think should be allowed.
But if you go by what is legal, things would become problematic.
Playing 'Counter Strike' for example, it would be illegal to play as the terrorists, yet perfectly legal to play as the counter terrorists.
By going for what is legal, this would also open the door to graphic sex games, as sex is clearly legal. Which would mean GTA4 would have all the guns, weapons and illegal car driving taken out!
I think there is going to be a massive cultural shift in the world thanks to games. Something much bigger than we have experienced already. Something that will shatter culture as we know it.
This is, like some guy on the first page said, PETA-like behaviour. Women are demeaned in fiction, therefore the fiction should be banned. This goes against the right to free speech. If you don't like the fiction, then don't seek it out.
Additonally, rape is one of my fetishes. I'd never rape someone, because I know that it is wrong, but that doesn't prevent me from playing with the fantasy. Games like RapeLay are damn good porn for people like me like a visualized masturbation-fantasy.
Additonally, rape is one of my fetishes. I'd never rape someone, because I know that it is wrong, but that doesn't prevent me from playing with the fantasy. Games like RapeLay are damn good porn for people like me
like a visualized masturbation-fantasy. SODAssault said:
pah, this is just pure smut forged into a game-like shape. Pedo-gaming if I may venture that far. My opinion is remove the games and ban their development or sale. Rape is not something that's "Entertaining" or "fun" contrary to what some really creepy people may tell you in the alleyway between Starbucks #273 and Starbucks #274 on Street Z.
I support their ban.
I support their ban.