VoidWanderer said:
One point for console gamers, I guess.
Hows so? Do we have any information that consoles get DirectX12?
Megamatics said:
This is why PC Gaming needs the Steam OS to take off, Microsoft just uses directX to force PC Gamers to upgrade to a more expensive OS with barely any real new features over the last iteration. I don't think the SteamOS will take off though, it will most likely have a small group of dedicated enthusiasts; unless Valve decides to drop some exclusive games for it (HL3,Portal3,Team Fortress3, and so on) don't expect this trend with Windows Operating Systems to at all change.
To be fair, there are a lot of differences between windows 7 and 8 and there are a lot of new features that you dont see, which are actually good. too bad the parts you see got completely anihilated in the process.
SteamOS will take off as much as Linux did - as in not much. thats because it is just a worse version of Linux with Steam preinstalled.
Kahani said:
I also don't see why people seem to be getting so upset about this. Windows 7 is over 5 years old now, and support for it ends this coming January,
Wait wait wait, they are dropping windows 7 already? are they mad? i can understand dropping Xp as very few people use it beside government and the like and its 13 years old but 7 is vast majority of their users.
Steven Bogos said:
Also Microsoft still essentially has a monopoly. People think Apple is doing great because of its image, but that's only with private consumers. MS makes the vast majority of its money from businesses, and they are in no danger of switching to Macs.
Ech, Apple is doing badly on all fronts. Altrough its consumer products are on the rise, home computers/laptops count is still significanlty bellow 10% and their main money source - the Iphones and tablets are loosing significantly too Android ones (so much that Android is also practically a monopoly). The third moneymaker - Ipods is pretty much dead since most people use their phones so Apple isnt as great as they like you to believe.
The only business strnagehold Apple had was video editing software. however this isnt true anymore for at least 5 years and people are starting to realize it.
Sseth said:
is this that big of a deal though? I remember when DX 11 came out DX 10 was still really prevalent for a few years.
The difference between DX 11 and DX 10 isnt big. Its more the kind of a deal that DX 10 vs DX 9 caused and that was pretty significant. that is if DX 12 is all its claimed to be (personally im skeptical). However the claimed 9x the size of Draw Calls handling sounds like a pretty big deal as thats one of the main reasons for Unity having terrible framerate (ubisoft does not know how to use DX 11 properly apperently).
Bravo Company said:
I think you've forgotten about Windows ME....
I don't really care about directx 12 being windows 10 exclusive, its not like game devs are going to drop support for whatever version windows 7 supports.
I'll upgrade to windows 10 whenever I get around to it but it probably won't be because "ERMEGERD I NEED DIRECTX 12"
I luckily skipped ME, but i saw it running on some ATMs and it seems to be doing fine.
DirectX is being Windows 8/10 exclusive and considering that 10 is just 8.2....
yeah, my upgrading is probably going to be the same. whenever i think its worth it as windows and not for a new directX.
Lemmibl said:
This might be the final push that will make OpenGL fully relevant in games again. It's already highly relevant (see: everything Valve does these days).
As an actual professional graphics programmer, I think OpenGL is perfectly fine for games on PC. Depending on hardware level you can get some truly impressive performance with OpenGL these days. The stuff you can do on Kepler generation+ cards with bindless rendering and multidraw indirect seems really promising.
I wouldnt hold my breath. People said that when MS locked DirectX 10 to Vista and DirectX11 to 7 and DirectX 11.1 to 8 and yet OpenGL still hasnt become a factor.
All Valve games i play run on DirectX, so im not sure where that OpenGL relevance comes from. Though granted i dont play all of them.
OpenGL is perfectly fine for games, and i prefer it over DirectX, its just that it really became outdated nowadays due to noone really developing it to the extent DirectX is being developed.
RicoADF said:
Get Steam OS, its Linux which is what Mac OSX is built off anyway (well Unix)
Oh come on, OSX is so far from Linux nowadays that even Linux advocates dont dare using it as an example. its even officialy labeled as hybrid now and even at its inception wasnt full linux.
Saulkar said:
I know I can consistently count on you to smash my dreams and make me feel stupid then hand me a sucker for being such a good boy. XD
P.S. I am only goofing around.
In all seriousness, why can a third party not hack a higher tier of DX into Windows XP/7? Is it because it requires an asinine amount of reverse engineering, analysing cryptic code (I forget what the correct term for turning code into nonsensical characters that the computer can still read), or is the DX iteration designed from the ground up with out the necessary components to communicate with lower Window iterations?
I live to serve.
As far as why cant we hack it. well, we would have to completely rewrite it due to massive differences between the operating systems and how they work, which would be essentiall making our own API and not DirectX anymore except copying it and opening outselves to a massive lawsuit, so thats probably why.
well that and we dont have a team of hundreds full time employees.
And even if we rewrite the entire thing, it will still not function fully as lower versions of Windows do not have certain functions required for DirectX and no alternatives (because microsoft just LOVES renaming things every iteration). So we would have to hack and rewrite chunks of the OS itself. so all that done we may as well call it SteamOS based on Windows because Steam likely put way less effort into that than it would take to do this. ANd for what? so a few stubborn people that dont want to update but must play this new game on "teh maximum graphecks" could enjoy it for free?