He did credit him, but he DID also unceremoniously rip him off, and the only reason he ended up crediting Ellison on further releases was because Ellison had proof that Cameron had ripped him off and they settled out of court. It's all here in this interview with Ellison:NickCaligo42 said:I just posted this two seconds ago, but I have to say it again: Harlen Ellison is acknowledged in the credits for Terminator. It's not like Cameron unceremoniously ripped him off and claimed the idea was his own, he did credit the man, very openly.Gordon_4 said:He's a total bastard, but a talented one. On one hand, some acknowledgements to writers like Ellison for inspiring the idea would be nice, on the other, how successful are Harlen Ellison's application of the idea compared to Cameron's?
Yeah, got it from the other guy. My mistake.Ensiferum said:He did credit him, but he DID also unceremoniously rip him off, and the only reason he ended up crediting Ellison on further releases was because Ellison had proof that Cameron had ripped him off and they settled out of court. It's all here in this interview with Ellison:NickCaligo42 said:I just posted this two seconds ago, but I have to say it again: Harlen Ellison is acknowledged in the credits for Terminator. It's not like Cameron unceremoniously ripped him off and claimed the idea was his own, he did credit the man, very openly.Gordon_4 said:He's a total bastard, but a talented one. On one hand, some acknowledgements to writers like Ellison for inspiring the idea would be nice, on the other, how successful are Harlen Ellison's application of the idea compared to Cameron's?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwyyJ3D3g1E
Ahh no problem, sorry for the redundancy.NickCaligo42 said:Yeah, got it from the other guy. My mistake.Ensiferum said:He did credit him, but he DID also unceremoniously rip him off, and the only reason he ended up crediting Ellison on further releases was because Ellison had proof that Cameron had ripped him off and they settled out of court. It's all here in this interview with Ellison:NickCaligo42 said:I just posted this two seconds ago, but I have to say it again: Harlen Ellison is acknowledged in the credits for Terminator. It's not like Cameron unceremoniously ripped him off and claimed the idea was his own, he did credit the man, very openly.Gordon_4 said:He's a total bastard, but a talented one. On one hand, some acknowledgements to writers like Ellison for inspiring the idea would be nice, on the other, how successful are Harlen Ellison's application of the idea compared to Cameron's?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwyyJ3D3g1E
*grabs a spear primed for Cameron's head*
True, that is the message the first movie sent. Though, the war had to happen, simply because John Connor was born, or it all should have disappeared at the end of T2 with her working at that diner in the 80's and not hearing about Sarah Connor's death. Reason being is because Reese was sent back in a time machine created by the machines. No machines = no time machine = no Reese being sent back to impregnate Sarah = No John. So since John was born, the war happened. How crappy would that make you feel. "Because I was born, 90% of human life will die."Mantonio said:But the Terminator movies should have ended after the second one. It had a good conclusion about the future being capable of being changed, and the man who made Skynet destroys his work and then himself to stop it happening.FattyMcGee said:technically, since the terminator is about time travel and what not, not sure if they are "sh*t"ing on it, so much as just saying, oh well, instead of what originally happened, they just time traveled again and it changed a little.Mantonio said:Oh great, another classic series that Hollywood is going to sh*t all over in its quest for easy money.
Then the third and fourth movies take a dump all over that message, by going 'No, actually, the future can't change' and coming up with increasingly convoluted time travel excuses to keep making the movies.
And now they're just rebooting the whole thing. Because they're creatively bankrupt.
Yeah that sounds like an awesome Terminator movie. Paul Walker and very little Arnold. Just make this. Just do it and shit on a great series.Logan Westbrook said:The same rumor mill suggests that Paul Walker, of Fast and Furious 5 fame, is in the running to be the new Kyle Reese.
What may happens is that the creative team will cut the amount of screen time Schwarzenegger has in the movie, in the hope that it will be easier to convince him to film it this year.
Ending it on such a massive cliffhanger is tantamount to crimes against humanity in my book.JediMB said:I'd rather see a continuation of The Sarah Connor Chronicles.