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I had a thought that went back to what they were saying about the game when it was in development. The problem with, and I'm giving a vague quote, "Not punching down" or "Treating people with more respect" is that it can, and often does, lead to losing that jerk camaraderie you can have with really close friends. If you're with a bunch of nerds and everyone there is a nerd and everyone is friends then everyone can make fun of each other. Someone could make a joke about someone else in the room jerking off to porn of anime characters and everyone would be cool with it. The issue with trying to sanitize things is that it can lead to not just take out things that are legit hurtful but also things that would be considered an in joke with friends. I dunno, random train of thought I had about a problem with the humor in the game. From clips I saw, the main problem was it held back too much and too often.
It's the opposite problem of trying "offend everyone or be politically incorrect to everyone!" style of comedy. At some point you're going to piss off/offend someone or a group of people that are the wrong targets. The problem with that type of comedy: is that on either spectrum, the people writing this stuff believe their immune to criticism a lot of the times. The Simpsons fell for it, South Park fell for it, and Family Guy has done it more times than they care to count. I will say at least South Park and its creators have the decency the so apologize for the screw ups in and out of show, and have no problem calling themselves out for their own bull crap from the past, while still being funny. I don't watch South Park anymore, but it's good to know they acknowledge they're screw ups and mistakes and actually try to be better people for it.
 
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It's the opposite problem of trying "offend everyone or be politically incorrect to everyone!" style of comedy. At some point you're going to piss off/offend someone or a group of people that are the wrong targets. The problem with that type of comedy: is that on either spectrum, the people writing this stuff believe their immune to criticism a lot of the times. The Simpsons fell for it, South Park fell for it, and Family Guy has done it more times than they care to count. I will say at least South Park and its creators have the decency the so apologize for the screw UPS in and out of show, and have no problem calling themselves out for their own bull crap from the past, while still being funny. I don't watch South Park anymore, but it's good to know they acknowledge they're screw ups and mistakes and actually try to be better people for it.

I don’t recall what they’ve ever apologized for or about, but I haven’t exactly cared enough to follow anything regarding these shows in so many years either.
 

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I don’t recall what they’ve ever apologized for or about, but I haven’t exactly cared enough to follow anything regarding these shows in so many years either.
Any episode after Mr Garrison got a sex change for a few seasons. Matt and Trey both regret making it, and even back then, it pissed off a lot of fans. Their attitudes towards trans people have changed and are more positive for it. They also care about global warming and the negative effects on Earth. Before that point, they were all global warming isn't real nor much of a problem.

 

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I had a thought that went back to what they were saying about the game when it was in development. The problem with, and I'm giving a vague quote, "Not punching down" or "Treating people with more respect" is that it can, and often does, lead to losing that jerk camaraderie you can have with really close friends. If you're with a bunch of nerds and everyone there is a nerd and everyone is friends then everyone can make fun of each other. Someone could make a joke about someone else in the room jerking off to porn of anime characters and everyone would be cool with it. The issue with trying to sanitize things is that it can lead to not just take out things that are legit hurtful but also things that would be considered an in joke with friends. I dunno, random train of thought I had about a problem with the humor in the game. From clips I saw, the main problem was it held back too much and too often.
And so? Volition is at the whims of stockbrokers who want people to be less insensitive and if the humor took a hate then fine by me. If you want to change the system, then people are free to make their esgelord game. But I am still waiting...
 

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Anyone know where I can get ahold and play Saints Row 1?
If it doesn't show up on the Microsoft or Xbox store, then odds are it's not backwards compatible. The first Saints Row game was only exclusive to the 360. Check the backwards compatibility list. All I can say is I hope you have a spare Xbox 360 lying around. Just go to amazon, ebay, or find your second hand gaming store that's not GameStop.
 

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If it doesn't show up on the Microsoft or Xbox store, then odds are it's not backwards compatible. The first Saints Row game was only exclusive to the 360. Check the backwards compatibility list. All I can say is I hope you have a spare Xbox 360 lying around. Just go to amazon, ebay, or find your second hand gaming store that's not GameStop.
I dont have a 360 though. I'd have to hook up the Xbox series X to see if it's on the store or part of gamepass.
 

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I dont have a 360 though. I'd have to hook up the Xbox series X to see if it's on the store or part of gamepass.
Like I said before, just check the backwards compatibility list in google. If the game works on the newer xbox, just a heads up, prepare for the most boring 5 hours of your life before the game gets "good". My brother and I couldn't get through the game back then. The first game is really just San Andreas lite. Not much stands out, and the gangster motif goes super hard to the point of the audience not taking it seriously as the creators wanted to be. The second game is so much better. Also, you can't choose genders in the first game. The character will always be male.
 
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Like I said before, just check the backwards compatibility list in google. If the game works on the newer xbox, just a heads up, prepare for the most boring 5 hours of your life before the game gets "good". My brother and I couldn't get through the game back then. The first game is really just San Andreas lite. Not much stands out, and the gangster motif goes super hard to the point of the audience not taking it seriously as the creators wanted to be. The second game is so much better. Also, you can't choose genders in the first game. The character will always be male.
Yeah, honestly I looked into SR1 when I first got into the series and decided it wasn't worth trying to track down. Nothing about it seemed particularly interesting and settled for a video hitting the main plot points....and I barely remember that. I barely even remember why the playa was set up on the exploding boat in the first place, not that it really matters past the 2nd game.
 
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Like I said before, just check the backwards compatibility list in google. If the game works on the newer xbox, just a heads up, prepare for the most boring 5 hours of your life before the game gets "good". My brother and I couldn't get through the game back then. The first game is really just San Andreas lite. Not much stands out, and the gangster motif goes super hard to the point of the audience not taking it seriously as the creators wanted to be. The second game is so much better. Also, you can't choose genders in the first game. The character will always be male.
The second game is on the playstation gamepass thing so I have that. But I just wanted to check out the OG games after this fucking reboot disaster.
 

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And so? Volition is at the whims of stockbrokers who want people to be less insensitive and if the humor took a hate then fine by me. If you want to change the system, then people are free to make their esgelord game. But I am still waiting...
"Make your own" or "let's see you do better" is one of the worst defenses for something not being good. I'm not a professional chef, but I know damn well if my steak is overcooked, and I shouldn't have to make my own steak to have it done right if I'm paying for it. I'm glad you are happy with the game the way it is. Truly, good for you. That doesn't mean you should feel smug and mighty over everyone who disagrees with you because they have the audacity to disagree.
 

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Anyone know where I can get ahold and play Saints Row 1?
You're really not missing much. The first Saints Row was little more than a shameless GTA knockoff, and not a good one at that. The franchise really didn't hit its "wacky" stride until SR2, and didn't become it's own-enough thing until SR3 and beyond. If you're still curious to try and track it down, keep your expectations low. Or better yet, just watch a let's play and save yourself the suffering altogether.

 

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You're really not missing much. The first Saints Row was little more than a shameless GTA knockoff, and not a good one at that. The franchise really didn't hit its "wacky" stride until SR2, and didn't become it's own-enough thing until SR3 and beyond. If you're still curious to try and track it down, keep your expectations low. Or better yet, just watch a let's play and save yourself the suffering altogether.

Even then, I'd say SR 2 was relatively grounded. Goofier than GTA at the time, sure, but I wouldn't call it wacky, either. Wacky was when they introduced a city where the mayor is Burt Reynolds. Not a character played by Burt Reynolds, but actual Burt Fucking Reynolds.
 

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I dont have a 360 though. I'd have to hook up the Xbox series X to see if it's on the store or part of gamepass.
The original is on the store and backward compatible
Tho honestly, I would suggest saving the money. Cuz the first game is more a straight GTA knockoff, but not a good one. Saint's Row 2 is where the series developed its own identity, and it's this that the reboot tried to, eh, reboot, not the original.
 

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Even then, I'd say SR 2 was relatively grounded. Goofier than GTA at the time, sure, but I wouldn't call it wacky, either. Wacky was when they introduced a city where the mayor is Burt Reynolds. Not a character played by Burt Reynolds, but actual Burt Fucking Reynolds.
I mean, SR2 wasn't completely off the rails wacky as the franchise would become, but they'd clearly embraced the "no one else is taking us seriously as a GTA competitor, so why should we?" mentality.
 

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I mean, SR2 wasn't completely off the rails wacky as the franchise would become, but they'd clearly embraced the "no one else is taking us seriously as a GTA competitor, so why should we?" mentality.
Exactly. That's why SR2 was getting so much praise back then. While still grounded, it knew how to have fun and did not try to be super serious like GTA IV, and most of the San Andreas clones from the 6th generation of gaming.
 
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"Make your own" or "let's see you do better" is one of the worst defenses for something not being good. I'm not a professional chef, but I know damn well if my steak is overcooked, and I shouldn't have to make my own steak to have it done right if I'm paying for it. I'm glad you are happy with the game the way it is. Truly, good for you. That doesn't mean you should feel smug and mighty over everyone who disagrees with you because they have the audacity to disagree.
For me it's more about the fact is if the situation was so bleak we would have seen competitors trying to break the trend but we are not, so this is what we are gonna get and accept as the norm. I would love to see an unapologetically edgy game, but we are never going to get one again
 

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I barely even remember why the playa was set up on the exploding boat in the first place, not that it really matters past the 2nd game.
Julius was the one who set The Playa up. The reason why was because the Saints were becoming too powerful, and became the Vice Kings wearing purple. Funny, because Julius is voiced by Keith David, and they bring the actor back again in IV, but has a different character. I believe he played the Vice President.
 
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Julius was the one who set The Playa up. The reason why was because the Saints were becoming too powerful, and became the Vice Kings wearing purple. Funny, because Julius is voiced by Keith David, and they bring the actor back again in IV, but has a different character. I believe he played the Vice President.
Technically, he played himself...who happened to be the Vice President.