Samurai Jack Season 5 thread.

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I mean how I would have done this season justice with the material of what they presented:

Make the Ashi and Jack relationship more gradual.

Have the Horsemen be more subtle and mysterious. I mean people in the interent were making more interesting speculations than the resolution that did happen. I mean did the guy had too look beefy when he got off his horse?

Have the final confrontation with Ashi's mother be a whole episode with no filler scenes and take place in the place where Ashi was born and trained and mention a back story to who Ashi's mother is.

Cut Scaramouche entirely, he is to me what Jar Jar Binks is to Star Wars fans, and cut out these unnecessary plot lines like the Giant Worm.

And if the callbacks are needed there are much more interesting charcaters you can callback to than the Black Samoorai and the Rave.

Like the Spartans, the little girl from the Haunted House, the Lava Monster, the Monkeys and the caveman the Jumps good, The Mountain Monks, and the Shaolin Monks.

 

[MrBoBo]

I thought it was pretty good. The only issue for me was that the mother randomly showed up.
Besides that, typically good action scenes with character development.

The sword thing was like King Arthur where you need to be worthy, which ties into the original show when his father was gifted the sword and his character at the start of season 5 with his inner demon.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I thought it was pretty good. The only issue for me was that the mother randomly showed up.
Besides that, typically good action scenes with character development.

The sword thing was like King Arthur where you need to be worthy, which ties into the original show when his father was gifted the sword and his character at the start of season 5 with his inner demon.

That was the worse part, I thought she and Jack and Ashi was gonna have a confrontation with her back in her Lair, I mean Jack deserves to face her to considering she is that dead set on trying to kill Jack.

 

[Asita]

I thought it was pretty good. The only issue for me was that the mother randomly showed up.
Besides that, typically good action scenes with character development.

The sword thing was like King Arthur where you need to be worthy, which ties into the original show when his father was gifted the sword and his character at the start of season 5 with his inner demon.

That was the worse part, I thought she and Jack and Ashi was gonna have a confrontation with her back in her Lair, I mean Jack deserves to face her to considering she is that dead set on trying to kill Jack.

She was never Jack's demon to face, though. She might have fancied herself Jack's archnemesis, but it was Ashi she hurt, Ashi she lied to, and Ashi she pushed down the path of hatred. Jack's only investment in her is self-preservation, no different than the countless bounty hunters sent his way. Ashi's is redemption and the final rejection of her mother's teachings. She was Ashi's battle to win, not Jack's.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I thought it was pretty good. The only issue for me was that the mother randomly showed up.
Besides that, typically good action scenes with character development.

The sword thing was like King Arthur where you need to be worthy, which ties into the original show when his father was gifted the sword and his character at the start of season 5 with his inner demon.

That was the worse part, I thought she and Jack and Ashi was gonna have a confrontation with her back in her Lair, I mean Jack deserves to face her to considering she is that dead set on trying to kill Jack.

She was never Jack's demon to face, though. She might have fancied herself Jack's archnemesis, but it was Ashi she hurt, Ashi she lied to, Ashi she pushed down the path of hatred. Jack's only investment in her is self-preservation, no different than the countless bounty hunters sent his way. Ashi's is redemption and the final rejection of her mother's teachings. She was Ashi's battle to win, not Jack's.

Even I understand that, I was hoping for both him AND Ashi to take her on. And at least an explination as to who she is, because again I feel she has a personal stake for killing Jack. I mean she could have easily went to kill Jack herself considering she is clearly skilled in Combat.

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

I agree that this plot starts feeling rushed and squeezed into too small 10 episode frame. However:

And if the callbacks are needed there are much more interesting charcaters you can callback to than the Black Samoorai and the Rave.

Like the Spartans, the little girl from the Haunted House, the Lava Monster, the Monkeys and the caveman the Jumps good, The Mountain Monks, and the Shaolin Monks.

That's subjective. I'd just resign from dedicating so much time for fanservice altogether, present Ashi's journey in a quick montage maybe. And how would you imagine Lava Monster coming back? He's in Valhalla.

Because of that we will never know who she is and why she worships Aku and why she wants Jack dead

She worships Aku, because she's a member(guru? founder?) of a cult that threats Aku as a deity - understandable how a 1000 year old, immortal demon could be perceived as such. And she wants Jack dead, because she worships Aku.

That was the worse part, I thought she and Jack and Ashi was gonna have a confrontation with her back in her Lair, I mean Jack deserves to face her to considering she is that dead set on trying to kill Jack.

EVERYONE affiliated to Aku tries to kill Jack. Why would he care about one crazy broad that he didn't even met before, at this point? Jack deserves to face and kill Aku. Ashi deserved to face the woman that abused her and lied to her for so long. And she got that... though, the death of the Mother wasn't really confirmed by that scene, so you might get your wish.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I agree that this plot starts feeling rushed and squeezed into too small 10 episode frame. However:

And if the callbacks are needed there are much more interesting charcaters you can callback to than the Black Samoorai and the Rave.

Like the Spartans, the little girl from the Haunted House, the Lava Monster, the Monkeys and the caveman the Jumps good, The Mountain Monks, and the Shaolin Monks.

That's subjective. I'd just resign from dedicating so much time for fanservice altogether, present Ashi's journey in a quick montage maybe. And how would you imagine Lava Monster coming back? He's in Valhalla.

Because of that we will never know who she is and why she worships Aku and why she wants Jack dead

She worships Aku, because she's a member(guru? founder?) of a cult that threats Aku as a deity - understandable how a 1000 year old, immortal demon could be perceived as such. And she wants Jack dead, because she worships Aku.

That was the worse part, I thought she and Jack and Ashi was gonna have a confrontation with her back in her Lair, I mean Jack deserves to face her to considering she is that dead set on trying to kill Jack.

EVERYONE affiliated to Aku tries to kill Jack. Why would he care about one crazy broad that he didn't even met before, at this point? Jack deserves to face and kill Aku. Ashi deserved to face the woman that abused her and lied to her for so long. And she got that... though, the death of the Mother wasn't really confirmed by that scene, so you might get your wish.

1. She could have seen the tablet of the Lava monster's story, and the little extra note that Jack himself added.

2. Most people who works with Aku to kill Jack just do it for the Money. This Preistess is a whole different story. I mean its easy to say that Aku is now worshiped because he's been around for 1000 years, but still we never seen people that loyal to Aku before in the past seasons. And perhaps it mabye answered in episode 9 considering the Synopsis.

3. Lastly I just hope she's not dead, and the fact that she died off screen is a hint, and you have to consider the fact that charcaters in this season alone survived from thier near death experiance just as easily, The Wolf for example, and Jack stabbed and possible death from Bloodloss.

 

[MrBoBo]

[/quote] EVERYONE affiliated to Aku tries to kill Jack. Why would he care about one crazy broad that he didn't even met before, at this point? Jack deserves to face and kill Aku. Ashi deserved to face the woman that abused her and lied to her for so long. And she got that... though, the death of the Mother wasn't really confirmed by that scene, so you might get your wish.[/quote]

Because she's been relevant to story arc and the orcs haven't?

 

[MrBoBo]

I thought it was pretty good. The only issue for me was that the mother randomly showed up.
Besides that, typically good action scenes with character development.

The sword thing was like King Arthur where you need to be worthy, which ties into the original show when his father was gifted the sword and his character at the start of season 5 with his inner demon.

That was the worse part, I thought she and Jack and Ashi was gonna have a confrontation with her back in her Lair, I mean Jack deserves to face her to considering she is that dead set on trying to kill Jack.

Not sure I'd agree with that, I mean she did throw a kid into hot coal and turned her into cartoons ISIS.

The confrontation was half baked though imo, too brief, too easy. Like the crap end-boss from a video game.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Spoiler

.....I am dissapointed at the lack of a sex scene

 

[Mahorfeus]

Spoiler: Just in case?

I've always been on board with the Ashi/Jack ship, but with only two episodes left, I do question the need to spend an entire episode on it. They're adorable together, but it felt even more rushed than her redemption. Then again, part of the problem can be tacked down to the amount of time that has passed during and in between episodes - it's hard to properly convey.

As great as this revival has been, I do worry that it won't be able to end things satisfactorily.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Spoiler: Just in case?

I've always been on board with the Ashi/Jack ship, but with only two episodes left, I do question the need to spend an entire episode on it. They're adorable together, but it felt even more rushed than her redemption. Then again, part of the problem can be tacked down to the amount of time that has passed during and in between episodes - it's hard to properly convey.

As great as this revival has been, I do worry that it won't be able to end things satisfactorily.

Spoiler

Don't take my word as gosple but the final episode mabye an 1 hour and 30 min finale, but I just remember reading that from a person's comment on a forum so I did not check his sources, but still that was my problem with this revival, is SO FUCKING SHORT!!! And the worse part about it is is that these plots as is are not bad, they just need more development, I knew the limited to 10 episodes was a mistake

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

SNIP

Spoiler

I think we can call it they become lovers. I mean the sisters see a doe and buck basically deer kissing. And anyone remember that Jack can only travel back to the past when he becomes the green mist Samurai? And what does the green mist Samurai have? Why yes, buck antlers.
So the symbolism is pretty clear.

Psst, Silentpony:

Spoiler: It Happened

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

SNIP

Spoiler

I think we can call it they become lovers. I mean the sisters see a doe and buck basically deer kissing. And anyone remember that Jack can only travel back to the past when he becomes the green mist Samurai? And what does the green mist Samurai have? Why yes, buck antlers.
So the symbolism is pretty clear.

Psst, Silentpony:

Spoiler: It Happened

This makes me smile! I'm legit happy!

 

[MrBoBo]

Loved it.

edit - promo for next episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_LZnx1-tB8&feature=youtu.be

Think he will be fighting a blue guy?

 

[Asita]

Apparently I'm in the minority in that I wasn't as fond of this episode.

Spoiler

Now, on the one hand I'm not opposed to Jack and Ashi getting together. Point of fact, I actually empathize with what I perceive to be the narrative reasons behind it. Among other things, it adds conflict to Jack's inevitable final decision. Stay in the future (with Ashi) or go back to the past (presumably without her). The "golden" option, of course is bringing her back to the past with him to see the beauty of the world as it existed.

It's not the result that bugs me so much as how the episode went about it with all the nervous "oh, I'm sorry I didn't mean to touch you, and it's awkward because I'm attracted to you" moments. It feels out of place, especially when these two hardened warriors are being distracted by those awkward moments in the middle of combat.

I don't know. It just felt like the wrong way to develop this particular relationship.

 

[MrBoBo]

The salt only made this better.

 

[Wrex Brogan]

Apparently I'm in the minority in that I wasn't as fond of this episode.

Spoiler

Now, on the one hand I'm not opposed to Jack and Ashi getting together. Point of fact, I actually empathize with what I perceive to be the narrative reasons behind it. Among other things, it adds conflict to Jack's inevitable final decision. Stay in the future (with Ashi) or go back to the past (presumably without her). The "golden" option, of course is bringing her back to the past with him to see the beauty of the world as it existed.

It's not the result that bugs me so much as how the episode went about it with all the nervous "oh, I'm sorry I didn't mean to touch you, and it's awkward because I'm attracted to you" moments. It feels out of place, especially when these two hardened warriors are being distracted by those awkward moments in the middle of combat.

I don't know. It just felt like the wrong way to develop this particular relationship.

That's pretty much my feelings on the episode as well. I'm not... against it, but they really could've handled everything a lot better. Everything just felt so out of character and rushed, which really jarred with the tone the rest of the season had set.

Spoiler

Also, there's only like, 2 episodes left, wasting an entire episode on 'awkward out-of-character attraction' just seemed so wasteful. Could've really spread that out over the 3 episodes for a more natural development rather than just front-load it like that and annoy everyone who wasn't rooting for the Jack/Ashi ship.

Oh well. On the bright side, there is a hell of a flame war going down on Tumblr about everything right now, and I've got an extra big bag of marshmellows for the occasion.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

The salt only made this better.

After being drowned in implied lesbian romance in Adventure Time, Legend of Korra, and Steven Universe.....this was inevitable

 

[Kolby Jack]

The salt only made this better.

After being drowned in implied lesbian romance in Adventure Time, Legend of Korra, and Steven Universe.....this was inevitable

Maybe it's because I don't go to tumblr ever, but why...? Why is this reaction a thing that exists? "How dare this show remind me that heterosexual relationships exist!" I mean what were they hoping for? Jack and the Scotsman hooking up? The Scotsman is married. And dead now. Ashi and... anyone? Literally the only person she knows is Jack. I just cannot see how these people could have seen a non-hetero relationship being possible here.