San Francisco considering banning circumcision

[jedizero]

it can be reversed with certain techniques.

I've read on this, and in the circumcision process they remove several things that can NEVER be replaced.

If I might provide a link with an explanation...

http://norm.org/lost.html

That says what exactly is lost in the circumcision. And what *can* be restored.

With several years of work on it.
Including painful 'stretching'.

 

[Bantarific]

Jumplion would you please refer to this link that specifically adresses how wrong you are?
http://www.homiegfunk.com/RIC2.htm

 

[Avatar Roku]

Jumplion would you please refer to this link that specifically adresses how wrong you are?
http://www.homiegfunk.com/RIC2.htm

In the future, be aware that it's easier to address a specific person if you quote them, as they'll get a message. Here you go:

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[Grospoliner]

Circumcision should only be banned for children under the age of 18.

Circumcision for males 18+ should be only permitted with the males express written consent.

 

[Jumplion]

it can be reversed with certain techniques.

I've read on this, and in the circumcision process they remove several things that can NEVER be replaced.

If I might provide a link with an explanation...

http://norm.org/lost.html

That says what exactly is lost in the circumcision. And what *can* be restored.

With several years of work on it.
Including painful 'stretching'.

I have to wonder how the process of circumcision goes down. I've always thought it was an extremely tiny snip on the tip of the foreskin, at least that's how I've had it as far as I know.

By the by, what movie is that "WRONNNNNNG" thing from? Swear, it looks familiar.

 

[gillebro]

It should be a decision made by adults if they want it for themselves.

Been quoted a million times before, but yeah. What else can you say?

My only concern is that, since it's quite a painful and unnecessary procedure (somebody before was saying something about it making sex more pleasurable, and I don't really understand that because as far as I can tell it would be like a woman having half her clitoris sawed off in terms of the nerve endings you lose), but not many people know how painful and unnecessary a procedure it is. A lot of men will have it done because of concerns over hygiene or because they somehow think having a smaller less ribbed and less sensitive penis will somehow make sex nicer for both him and his partner, and find out they've made the wrong decision, and regret it. You can non-surgically elongate the remaining skin so it's like the foreskin's been restored, but some parts get hacked off that can't be brought back. It's kind of worrying that not many people seem to know about this, considering how many people are for circumcision.

 

[Jumplion]

Jumplion would you please refer to this link that specifically adresses how wrong you are?
http://www.homiegfunk.com/RIC2.htm

Okay, already addressed it at the top. No need to act up on a high horse, learn something new every day.

 

[willsham45]

If they go ahead with it all they are going to do is piss people off. Not just for those who would do it anyway.
This really seams like one of those things the government does not and should not care about, I am sure there are more important things to be thinking about.

 

[Twilight_guy]

People are saying it should be an adult choice but man o' man I can't see anyone opting for that choice. You know from a baby's screams that it isn't fun but at least you won't remember it then.

I don't think the city should have a right to ban it. Its a religious practice and church and state should be separate. No laws to ban religion and no religion in your laws (or so the idea goes).

As for people complaining that it should be a man's (or very strange lady's) right... Sorry but you don't have right until your 18. That's why you can't drink or get married or into enter legal agreements. Your parents decide what's best for you until that time or until you get emancipated. Parents call the shots here and if they want your wing-wang hatless, its going bald.

 

[jedizero]

Of all the circumcised men how many complain about it? Not too many in my experience.

I'll complain!

And I'll complain for all the babies that had accidents during Circumcision! There are at least two people in Canada that got their wangs pretty much lopped off. They were forced to have a re-assigned sex, raised as a girl. They won't ever be able to do many things they might have wanted to do, such as having a child.

I'll ***** as much as I can goddammit! I got mutilated when I was a baby! I was betrayed by my mother and father, while a sick man carved up a part of MY body!

I'd do damn near anything to ensure that it doesn't happen to any other helpless baby.

 

[pokepuke]

I dont know the details since I never asked. All I know is there was some sort of complication and it was done.
I wasnt given the choice but this is a situation where it is justified.

What you are saying seems deceptive. Another guy (#121) also posted an instance where action needed to be taken because of an abnormality, but the rationality isn't really there. I am speculating, but it seems fairly logical, that what really happened was that instead of doing exactly the minimum of what needed to be done to fix the problem, they just said "do a circumcision". Since it is a common procedure, they just went with the easiest choice. It may have actually been the best choice at the time as well, but possibly not the most accurate.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Great... more ignorant fascists trying to force their own believes on everyone else... Oh San Francisco, you make me ashamed to be in the same country as you...

Banning people from chopping off part of a baby's dick is not "fascists" aiming to "force their believes [sic] on everyone else", it is a pretty reasonable standpoint.

 

[Tautimona]

Well i find circumcision more practical from a health and sanitary standpoint. Also they put silver nitrate in a babies eyes to prevent infections due to the lacrimal glands not being fully formed, that is painful to the Nth degree but they don't try banning that too.

 

[Avatar Roku]

By the by, what movie is that "WRONNNNNNG" thing from? Swear, it looks familiar.

Superman Returns, I believe.

 

[Grospoliner]

It should be a right because: 1: It is a religious practice, 2: It can keep it from getting certain diseases, and 3: It makes sex more pleasurable

Oddly enough on point 3 that is a misconception. When polled women claimed that uncircumcised men performed better during sex than circumcised men. On point 2 there is little benefit as compared to using a condom, it is really not a substitute. Finally on point 1; this practice is inflicted on children, babies, with no mental comprehension as to what is happening nor the ability to make any semblance of a choice. It is a complete violation of their human rights because they can not make the choice.

So there's really no excuse to keep it around. The entire practice of genital mutilation is monstrous.

 

[Bantarific]

I am sure there are more important things to be thinking about.

Yes the goverment has more important things to do besides, you know, worry about the unessecary mutilation of boys in its country.

 

[TitenSxull]

I fully support the idea of a circumcision ban given that the process destroys the part of the penis with the highest density of nerve endings and is based on outdated, frankly bizarre, religious ideas. Also because mutilating the genitals of a small child is morally wrong, that much seems obvious.

 

[utopaline]

It should be a right because: 1: It is a religious practice, 2: It can keep it from getting certain diseases, and 3: It makes sex more pleasurable

not to be a troll, but 2 of the 3 statements you made are so far from the truth it's not even funny. Do some research, you'll be shocked to find out that being circumcised actually increase you chance of catching diseases and the foreskin is the most sensitive part of the male body so it actually makes sex way more enjoyable.

uto

yup, and the fact that its someone else making the decision FOR the child is the worst part about it.

are any of the facts you mention brought up to the parents? DIDN'T THINK SO. for some strange reason doctors paint a pretty picture of circumcision to the parents, so thats why most people end up doing it to their child.

...i want my foreskin back lol

Luckily I still have mine. Parents aren't told about the cons because it is a 400-700 dollar operation that your insurance company pays for.

also, the 8 day argument is not true, While an infant's foreskin is considerably smaller than an adult foreskin, studies show that the procedure is more painful for infants. One reason for this is that the foreskin on an infant is fused to the glans of the penis and must be torn free in order to be removed. In adults, the foreskin is no longer fused. Also, adults may use stronger painkillers during and after the procedure, which infants do not receive due to the risks of anesthesia on infants. Studies indicate that only 4% of infants actually receive anesthesia because the risks it brings.

 

[utopaline]

I understand that we should make titles provocative to get views and stuff, but no one wants to ban circumcision, they just want to make sure your parents don't force it on you. Which I honestly don't see a problem with, if it's a religious thing, why don't you wait until your kid is intelligent enough to make his own choice?

Because it is a far riskier, more painful, and generally difficult procedure when you are no longer a baby? Especially if it's done after puberty.

Perhaps the fact that its such a dangerous procedure is a warning sign? I mean, we are talking about cutting off part of your body because you think God wants you to here.

But that's the point. It ISN'T that dangerous when done 8 days after birth, the customary time. It's only that dangerous if done later.

****While an infant's foreskin is considerably smaller than an adult foreskin, studies show that the procedure is more painful for infants. One reason for this is that the foreskin on an infant is fused to the glans of the penis and must be torn free in order to be removed. In adults, the foreskin is no longer fused. Also, adults may use stronger painkillers during and after the procedure, which infants do not receive due to the risks of anesthesia on infants. Studies indicate that only 4% of infants actually receive anesthesia because the risks it brings.
http://www.homiegfunk.com/RIC2.htm

uto *foreskin in tact*

 

[Bantarific]

For all your circumcision needs http://www.homiegfunk.com/RIC2.htm