Say hello to the new Iron Woman

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Well, of all the list of complaints I don't really buy into the child prodigy thing being outrageous. The likes of I sure as fuck wouldn't be reverse engineering Star Tech so even if she was just another generic pasty white kid, she'd have to be a fucking genius otherwise Tony wouldn't pay her time of day.

 

[Estarc]

Comic book fans amuse me. As does the fact that the writers/illustrators of comics are trying to disassociate themselves from their own fan base.

I like female super heroes better anyway, personally, but I'm not a comic fan. Spider-Gwen is the best Spider hero, that's all I'm saying.

 

[Floppertje]

That hair looks like it's going to be a problem with that helmet... Otherwise... Eh, who cares about the child prodigy thing. Didn't stark build his first circuit board at 4 and graduated suma cum laude from MIT at 18? what's the difference?

 

[mecegirl]

Most top tier heros should be dead or retired anyway. They never let the characters grow up. Iron Man's frost comic was in the 60's.If the comics actually let charcter age past 40 he would have been forced to retire anyway. Thats why I like that Batman Beyond cartoon. An older Bruce Wayne was an interesting concept.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

That hair looks like it's going to be a problem with that helmet... Otherwise... Eh, who cares about the child prodigy thing. Didn't stark build his first circuit board at 4 and graduated suma cum laude from MIT at 18? what's the difference?

The difference being that he didn't build his first suit of Iron Man armor untill he was well into adulthood, he had access to stolen military hardware to make it, and the first suit was a piece of crap. Heck, even the second one used roller skates to get around.

The new person is at MIT, built her suit out of a bunch of parts taken from other people's projects, and that suit was capable of all kinds of crazy feats right from the get go and only fell apart after she punched a truck with it and she still survived unharmed.

Granted it's MARVEL MIT, so weird acts of super science are kind of the norm, but it still feels a little too much too quickly.

Doesn't help matters that the art is just freaking horrible. She looks WAY older than 15, everything looks traced from something else and slapped with a shading effect (Seriously, her armor looks like someone copy/pasted Optimus Prime's head onto a suit of T-45 Power Armor), it's just not pleasant on the eyes.

 

[Something Amyss]

They never let the characters grow up.

Or if they do, the Editor in Chief spends years trying to undo it, sometimes ending in a deal with the devil.

That hair looks like it's going to be a problem with that helmet... Otherwise... Eh, who cares about the child prodigy thing. Didn't stark build his first circuit board at 4 and graduated suma cum laude from MIT at 18? what's the difference?

Tony had two Masters by 19, but I doubt anyone will let that get in their way. Kind of like how people we upset that a 28 year old was too young to play a child prodigy in the latest Fantastic Four movie (because really, there are so few problems with that movie that we need to nitpick age)

Comic book fans amuse me. As does the fact that the writers/illustrators of comics are trying to disassociate themselves from their own fan base.

I probably would distance myself from comic fans in their shoes, too.

 

[mecegirl]

They never let the characters grow up.

Or if they do, the Editor in Chief spends years trying to undo it, sometimes ending in a deal with the devil.

Same thing with death.

I think the Batman comics are a prime example of why I only dabble in the big two comic universe. Ignoring the new 52 and the even newer reboot. Things just never progressed(only to be sent back in time by a reboot).

Batman himself, even if he never died, should at least have grown old and retired. And by old I mean at least 50 ish because with the amount of injuries he's had in the past his body would just stop working the way he'd want it to. He's been stabbed, shot, burned, and had bones(his back included) broken. Including Bruce off the top of my head I can think of 11 Gotham based superheros.

1: Batman
2: Robin #1 now Nightwing
3: Robin #2 now Red Hood
4: Robin #3 now Red Robin
5: Robin #4 previously Spoiler now Batgirl #3
6: Robin #5
7: Batgirl #1 now Oracle
8: Batgirl #2 now Black Bat
9: Batwoman
10: Huntress
11: The Question #2

And there are more... that is just who I would consider the core members because of their connections to each other. With Oracle's network the city of Gotham would no longer be a cesspool of crime. She can direct their movements and make them a prime fighting team. And with the help of the Gotham police department they really could shape the city up. Also for some reason villains keep breaking out of Arkahm and the City of Gotham refuses to reinstate the death penalty. Like Batman doesn't need to kill the joker, dude should be fried or injected because every time he breaks out he kills in the tens or hundreds. There is no way the city's government would stand for that. Batman and his family should be facing new threats not old ones. Instead they, like most hero's in the big 2, are stuck in a time loop.

Shaking things up in the comics with a new hero to take up the mantle is the only thing mainstream comics can do to give a little excitement. What should happen is that the characters die or grow old and their sidekicks take their place. But we all know that Tony will never age past this point and if he does he will be rebooted back to maybe mid 30's if not younger. Or if he dies he will be magically brought back to life. So any fanboys complaining about pandering need to read a book. Like a good one with a beginning, middle and end. Maybe their eyes will be opened by proper story telling instead of continuing to read characters stuck in limbo.

 

[Something Amyss]

Same thing with death.

I know. I just had to take a shot at One More Day.

I think the Batman comics are a prime example of why I only dabble in the big two comic universe. Ignoring the new 52 and the even newer reboot. Things just never progressed(only to be sent back in time by a reboot).

Ironically, Batman (and indeed a lot of these really old heroes) are from an era where comic books were largely disposable and few people were really looking into longevity. It's why we even really have legacy characters in the first place. But they've essentially become victims of their success, because now people will throw a fit over new legacy characters, you can't get rid of the old characters or have any meaningful change, except once every few decades, etc.

It's also, ironically, why the continuity gets so borked. Because they have to return to pretty much the status quo.

Kind of one of the reasons I'm interested in the MCU, because as actors age they will need to be replaced anyway. It's going to be interesting to see whether they try and reboot the characters or maybe just let them get old and replace them.

Multiple actors clearly can play a role (Bruce, I'm looking at you), but with guys like Downey and Jackson so identifiable in these roles, I'm kind of hoping they choose not to. Especially since there are more untapped superheroes in Marvel's roster than people on the planet. >.> It's not like they're short on ideas.

 

[MrFalconfly]

This smells a bit of Batman Beyond.

And I absolutely love Batman Beyond.

It's a great concept. Take the old hero, retire him, get a new aspiring hero (say, if you want a black, female, young character instead of a 40-something businessman), have the new character don the suit, have the old hero in the background providing funding and assistance.

 

[tzimize]

I feel like Marvel is fast approaching Konami level of "fuck the fans", if you want a new female black character, MAKE A NEW FEMALE BLACK CHARACTER, don't blackwash chracters because them being written as the same demographic in that time is apperantly an unforgivable sin.

Also, "Riri is a science genius who enrolls in MIT at the age of 15. She comes to the attention of Tony when she builds her own Iron Man suit in her dorm. " Dear lord the amount of mary sue in 2 sentences.

This is really all. I agree wholeheartedly. Make a NEW character. I'm sure there are enough talent in marvel both graphically and storytelling to make at least one new character from scratch. Come on marvel. Prove me wrong.

Diversity is stupid anyway. I enjoy Thor, big and blonde, I enjoy Black widow, a "lady", I enjoy Black Panther, an "african"(wakandaan), I enjoy mystique, a blue female mutant. Why are people so fucking hung up on heroes being their race/ethnicity? The point about captain america isnt that he's white. If thats all someone sees, they have misunderstood a great fucking lot. It pisses me off, and I dont really think it does any good to blackwash or mexicanwash or indianwash or whatever anything. Just make characters. If it makes sense that he/she is black, let her be black. If it makes sense that its a japanese person, let him/her be that.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

I swear that there has been an Iron Woman before. Wasn't Tony, Toni (he was gender swapped for some [probably writer-cocaine related storyline]) for a while? I can't remember where I read that, and the Google is uncharacteristically being unhelpful.

 

[Karadalis]

Heres the thing with black female ironman:

Its not the race... or the gender... its the message brought in with it..

If this comic turns out to be another [unsolicited opinion about israel] and has your stereotypical feminist nonsense (villains suddenly going mysoginistic in response to new female version of hero even thought there are a shitton of female superheros AND villains allready in the world before getting their ass kicked with the heroine spouting heroic feminist comebacks for example) in it, it will be shit and no one will buy it.

THATS the real issue here. Im way past caring about DC and marvel desperatly and painfully trying to be "diverse" for diversities sake and sacrificing their well established characters on the altair of PC (the whole comic market is aparantly going down the shitter with less and less people buying books from the big 2 anyways)

But please.. can we stop with stupid bullshit 3rd wave feminist social justice nonsense in comics? I mean Ms. marvel managed to do without those just fine right?

So.. if they can manage to keep idealogue nonsense out of the book, make the transition believable and the character 3 dimensional.. then this can work out.

If its another female thor? Yeah no... we will say goodbye to that after a couple of issues.

On the other hand:

I can see the fangirls doing black spider man / black female iron man "teamups" allready

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Are people still trying to say that Rey is not a good character? Give it up already you aren't convincing anyone new so stop trying to shoehorn it into every discussion


(Sigh of course they will keep doing it right?)

They will, yes. Because she's a good example of things that people find frustrating, and because nobody cares that it annoys you.

OT: I don't really know what to make of this. They're more-or-less repackaging the same hero (mileage will vary on whether you think that's cool or lame), so what will matter is whether she's entertaining/likeable, and if the writers do a good job establishing it as something worthwhile.

Basically all the stuff that we don't know yet...

 

[Cicada 5]

Heres the thing with black female ironman:

Its not the race... or the gender... its the message brought in with it..

If this comic turns out to be another [unsolicited opinion about israel] and has your stereotypical feminist nonsense (villains suddenly going mysoginistic in response to new female version of hero even thought there are a shitton of female superheros AND villains allready in the world before getting their ass kicked with the heroine spouting heroic feminist comebacks for example) in it, it will be shit and no one will buy it.

THATS the real issue here. Im way past caring about DC and marvel desperatly and painfully trying to be "diverse" for diversities sake and sacrificing their well established characters on the altair of PC (the whole comic market is aparantly going down the shitter with less and less people buying books from the big 2 anyways)

But please.. can we stop with stupid bullshit 3rd wave feminist social justice nonsense in comics? I mean Ms. marvel managed to do without those just fine right?

So.. if they can manage to keep idealogue nonsense out of the book, make the transition believable and the character 3 dimensional.. then this can work out.

If its another female thor? Yeah no... we will say goodbye to that after a couple of issues.

On the other hand:

I can see the fangirls doing black spider man / black female iron man "teamups" allready

Female Thor is one of Marvel's top selling books. Whatever issues you may have with it, they clearly didn't stop the book from attracting readers and making money.

For the record, that villain you're talking about actually does have a history of being sexist.

 

[happyninja42]

On the other hand:

I can see the fangirls doing black spider man / black female iron man "teamups" allready

If by "teamup" you mean "engage in sexy times together" that's hardly anything new for the fans and the slashfiction market. They will make any insane combination fuck if they feel like it.

 

[votemarvel]

I swear that there has been an Iron Woman before. Wasn't Tony, Toni (he was gender swapped for some [probably writer-cocaine related storyline]) for a while? I can't remember where I read that, and the Google is uncharacteristically being unhelpful.

Could you be thinking of the Marvel Mangaverse incarnation, Antionette Stark? http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Antoinette_Stark_(Earth-2301) Technically she was Tony Stark's sister in that universe.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

Marvel Mangaverse incarnation, Antionette Stark?

Could be. But I am fairly certain he was gender swapped for a time.

 

[DementedSheep]

I'm sorry, but how is that a win for female representation? It's a handmedown, great. What that tells me is that Marvel doesn't seem to trust their writers to come up with a compelling, female character, so they try to use a crutch. We will know in less then 6 months how that goes, I'm sure.

Marvel and DC don't trust their writers to come up with completely new characters not attached to a previous super hero, period. Comics are expensive so people don't take risks and familiar names sell even if the characters have little in common. A lot of "new" superheros are legacy or themed spin off characters that maybe get their own thing and change names later. This is not unusual.

 

[Vykrel]

serious question: have Marvel comics come up with any ORIGINAL female superheroes in recent years? any noteworthy ones?

it seems to me that in order to be diverse, their go-to tactic is to just sort of gender-bend existing heroes. She-Hulk, Spider-Woman, Thor...ina. etc. etc.

its just so lazy.

 

[votemarvel]

Marvel Mangaverse incarnation, Antionette Stark?

Could be. But I am fairly certain he was gender swapped for a time.

I don't recall any story where 616 Tony was turned into a woman.

Women have worn the suit in the past, Pepper Potts and Bethany Cabe to name but two, but they weren't Tony. Roxxon had a woman in their version of the Iron Man http://www.ironmanarmory.com/biosoz.html#sfire Stratosfire.

It's past 5am where I am and lack of sleep is dulling my memory. I'll have a kip and that could jog a memory free.