Say hello to the new Iron Woman
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Bendis really needs to stop Mary Sueing the Marvel Uinverse. He's already nearly killed venom for me and now he's Mary Sueing Iron Man too. How long do you think it'll be before Kletus Cassidy is just a misunderstood farm boy who really wants to do the right thing but can't because his symbiote hasn't been 'cleansed' yet?
If the man's idea of 'internal conflict' is having flawlessly smart, altruistic characters feel bad because everyone else isn't, he shouldn't be writing comic books. I mean don't get me wrong, what I've read and seen of the man paints him as a fine individual who really does his best to make the world better through his profession, but his writing just drains the color out of everything.
Oh yeah, and Iron Man's a black woman now, who apparently likes to have trouble putting her helmet on. Seriously comic writers (not just Bendis) stop giving ridiculously long hair to women who have to put on full helmets/hoods at a moment's notice. Putting any kind of hood on over sorta long hair is a big enough pain when you're not in a hurry, forget about saving anyone if you have to do it before you can jump into action.
If the man's idea of 'internal conflict' is having flawlessly smart, altruistic characters feel bad because everyone else isn't, he shouldn't be writing comic books. I mean don't get me wrong, what I've read and seen of the man paints him as a fine individual who really does his best to make the world better through his profession, but his writing just drains the color out of everything.
Oh yeah, and Iron Man's a black woman now, who apparently likes to have trouble putting her helmet on. Seriously comic writers (not just Bendis) stop giving ridiculously long hair to women who have to put on full helmets/hoods at a moment's notice. Putting any kind of hood on over sorta long hair is a big enough pain when you're not in a hurry, forget about saving anyone if you have to do it before you can jump into action.
Wow, is this serious? This has to be from Onion, right, no way can this be real 
Wait, it totally is and everyone's totally making a big deal out of it.
But buzz is made and people rant about it, so SJWs win again
Wait, it totally is and everyone's totally making a big deal out of it.
But buzz is made and people rant about it, so SJWs win again
I understand your point. But Hank Pym was the Wasp, after Janet Van Dyne the Original Wasp appeared to be killed at the end of Secret Invasion.Vykrel said:
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It was amazing. I didn't think killing the original Wasp was a good idea. But once it had stuck I thought this was great. Hank Pym always struggled with his identity. Being Ant-man, Giantman, Yellowjacket, etc. He finally seemed to find his place taking up his ex-wife's mantle and preserving her legacy. His character went under some of the best growth in decades.
Then Janet came back...
And the status quo snapped back. It's interesting because it's really one of the few gender-reversed examples of this is comics.
PS. Black Widowmaker sounds like a 90s anti-hero. Black Widower sounds likes a classy super spy (I guess you really can't call him Lady-Killer).
Faiza Hussain is great. Rightly pointed out above she was never Captain Britain in the main universe (though you might have referenced working class single mother Kelsey Leigh who was, then later Lionheart).burnout02urza said:
But Faiza was great as Excalibur in "Captain Britain and MI13". A woefully under appreciated comic where she personally slew Dracula during his invasion of Britain.
So I don't exactly have a vast amount of knowledge regarding the Marvel comic universe, but why is Tony being replaced? Did he die (for real) or something?
Nah, he's fine. Superheroes sometimes get replaced with a new legacy character. Sometimes this is permanent or semi-permanent (The changes in Robin or Flash), sometimes it lasts for a few months and then the normal dude is back (most replacements). Mostly it's a way to introduce a new character and have people care. People who wouldn't bother to pick up Random Mecha Woman #12 Comics will pick up exactly the same comic with exactly the same writer and story if it's connected to a property they have come to love like Iron Man.THE_JOKE_KING33 said:
while i did not know this happened, it is definitely worth noting that Hank Pym was originally Ant-Man, meaning he had his own character before he took up another one. it wasnt like he was some nobody. he wasnt the original Wasps assistant; he was her husband and already superhero in his own right.WolfThomas said:
im talking about if characters like Black Widow or Wonder Woman were to either be replaced by a man out of the blue, or be joined by a male version, which would be the reverse of what often happens with male characters. like i said, ive never heard of a Black Widowmaker or Wonder Man, but i have heard of Batgirl, Supergirl, female Thor, Iron Woman, etc.
thats the problem i have with the whole thing. women have always deserved their own unique heroes, but they are so often just written into existing male roles. it shouldnt be so hard to introduce female superheroes in these storylines and allow them to have their own identity.
You already gave examples earlier, got called out on how female or gay versions had been introduced of the very examples you were giving and are now making the same point while using different examples. Now of your amazing list of a whole two examples, Black Widow and Wonder Woman, only half of them are eligible. In Wonder Woman's comic her long-lost brother Jason is about to be introduced.Vykrel said:
Besides, these are characters that are pretty much defined by being female in a way random male superheroes aren't. Wonder Woman is THE female hero. In the old days of the JSA she was the only female superhero on the team. When the JLA formed, she was the only female superhero too. Beyond that, she's a princess from an ancient and secret Amazonian society that consists entirely of women.
Similarly Black Widow was trained in a Soviet facility called the Red Room which exclusively trains female operatives. The entire reason she's called Black Widow is to play up the fact she's a deadly woman, as a black widow is a phrase used to describe femme fatales.
Their characters are connected to being female in a way that other character's aren't. There's nothing to say that the next person who gets a GL ring or inherits Speed Force powers or has their parents killed and decides to dress as a flying mammal needs to be a white male. There is good reason that someone connected to an all-female island of Amazons or an all-female spy training school would not male (and still that doesn't always stop them).
A bigger concern is you don't seem to realise why women are introduced as legacy characters, why that's important or why it's a good thing despite it being explicitly explained to you already and you having utterly no form of comeback to it.
Well Bendis did say in an interview that Tony is stepping down from the position as Iron Man. Citing personal issues (I'm assuming romance ones), his company beginning to fail financially, and other factors. The impression I got from his mention of it, was that it's basically a case of major fatigue, mentally and physically. Probably also fallout from Civil War 2 and the results? He might end up being sick of the whole thing, and just decides to toss up his fingers and peace out, sort of like Spiderman in the Spiderman 2 movie.altnameJag said: