Seattle "Superhero" Arrested For Pepper Spray Assault
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This would be really funny if it weren't real. Actually, scratch that, its still funny. I lost it when he said "Your punches don't hurt me, I have body armor".
Do you know the things leading up to him pepper spraying the crowd? Because I do and I don't agree with him pepper spraying the crowd but I also don't think he was completely out of line in doing so either.synobal said:
What? Like Watchmen?Scarim Coral said:
WHEN can we expect our very own Doctor Manhatten, Ozymmandias, and so forth? I want to watch a Giant electric blue man stomp around outside too!
Yes there is a longer video I've seen and it doesn't show anything untoward happening. Nothing that warrants pepper spray, unless you think macing protesters for protesting is fine. Hey I get it though plenty of people think mace is an excellent form of crowd control on the unwashed masses. Those women were very dangerous after all and about to precipitate a riot or worse be heard.Krion_Vark said:
To be fair assault is considered invoking fear for ones physical well being and Pheonix did just that, he ran in and started to try and scare random people into backing down by shouting at them while dressed up in a costume that could lead you to believe your dealing with an insane person.
MMkay I misinterpreted part of the beginning as being Pheonix, who was that Shouting break it up? Oh wait it is him, I can't find the part where he pepper sprays some one but ya right about there he's a crazy person getting involved in someone elses business that shows little signs to escalating to anything dangerous and he does it Via intimidation. thats what I think its gonna be looked at legally
Personally? this guy was fucking stupid and he deserves it. He took a minor domestic disturbance threw himself in the middle and antagonized it in such a way to make it worse. his reasoning was not like that of the famed super heroes written up by DC because unlike them he did it for pride (shown by the fact that he makes a point of having it recorded and he wears a really flashy outfit for otherwise small crimes) A girl hit him with her shoes after he antagonized him and heres what he pulled on her
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temporary blindness which lasts from 15?30 minutes, a burning sensation of the skin which lasts from 45 to 60 minutes, upper body spasms which force a person to bend forward and uncontrollable coughing making it difficult to breathe or speak for between 3 to 15 minutes.
For those with asthma, taking other drugs, or subject to restraining techniques which restrict the breathing passages, there is a risk of death.
If that doesn't qualify as causing someone to be afraid for their well being what the fuck does?
The police one was pretty bad but the primary difference is those people initiated it, I hardly think getting a fight with someone you know is warrant for pepper spray but being on the verge of starting a riot? yeah I can see how pepper spray could be the answer there, not a very good answer that's for sure but crowd control via physical force isn't exactly a good idea anyways now is it?
MMkay I misinterpreted part of the beginning as being Pheonix, who was that Shouting break it up? Oh wait it is him, I can't find the part where he pepper sprays some one but ya right about there he's a crazy person getting involved in someone elses business that shows little signs to escalating to anything dangerous and he does it Via intimidation. thats what I think its gonna be looked at legally
Personally? this guy was fucking stupid and he deserves it. He took a minor domestic disturbance threw himself in the middle and antagonized it in such a way to make it worse. his reasoning was not like that of the famed super heroes written up by DC because unlike them he did it for pride (shown by the fact that he makes a point of having it recorded and he wears a really flashy outfit for otherwise small crimes) A girl hit him with her shoes after he antagonized him and heres what he pulled on her
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temporary blindness which lasts from 15?30 minutes, a burning sensation of the skin which lasts from 45 to 60 minutes, upper body spasms which force a person to bend forward and uncontrollable coughing making it difficult to breathe or speak for between 3 to 15 minutes.
For those with asthma, taking other drugs, or subject to restraining techniques which restrict the breathing passages, there is a risk of death.
If that doesn't qualify as causing someone to be afraid for their well being what the fuck does?
The police one was pretty bad but the primary difference is those people initiated it, I hardly think getting a fight with someone you know is warrant for pepper spray but being on the verge of starting a riot? yeah I can see how pepper spray could be the answer there, not a very good answer that's for sure but crowd control via physical force isn't exactly a good idea anyways now is it?
I can't think of anything that couldn't be accomplished the same way by dressing normal, and just being a vigilant peron, and calling the police if you see trouble. What happened to neighborhood watches?
What I will say in defense of some of these guys, is that many of them devote time to helping the needy and downtrodden, giving them food, clothes, and just someone to talk to. I think that is more heroic than the costumed shenanigans.
What I will say in defense of some of these guys, is that many of them devote time to helping the needy and downtrodden, giving them food, clothes, and just someone to talk to. I think that is more heroic than the costumed shenanigans.
The protesters were 1) Told if they start getting out of line they will get pepper sprayedsynobal said:
2) They were told to stay WITHIN the pen.
3) 1 protester walked out raised his arms at the police and was brought down
4) The crowd started reacting to it
5) The police officer thinking they were going to get out of hand walked in and maced them
6) The police officer that maced them is a fucking moron.
And I am not sure if this is actually the Occupy Wall Street Protesters since it happened at Union Square which is more towards midtown than downtown.
So because they were told they could get pepper sprayed it was fine? Also watch the video do you see any trying to break out of the pen? Maybe you support having your civil liberties violated but I know I don't. Yes they were reacting to police brutality but what do you expect? They shouted oh my god, is that a reason to use such force?Krion_Vark said:
maybe i didnt express the exact point of what i was trying to say. this man is trying to do good. now wether or not you think he should do this is irrelevant. its more than honorable for someone to try and help and defend people from undeserved crimes against them. doesnt matter if the guy is doing it for kicks or not. as long as hes just trying to stop crimes, thats fine. my pepper spray example needs to be fleshed out. a woman carries it in case the need arises where she must defend herself. this guy carries it in case the need arises where, upon trying to stop a crime or a beating or in this case a fucking attempt at a HIT N RUN, he must defend himself. yes he is looking for crimes, but he clearly does not go in spraying everyone mindlessly. he was asking for 911, he was telling them to get away from the people they were beating, etc etc. FINALLY, do not compare the work of cops to the work of surgeons. surgeons do a job you need years of skill and learning to perform. cops dont. to quote sth someone else said, a bystander saved a ton of people from a robbey by shooting the robbers with a concealed weapon he carried. he just did the cops job. and so do many people day by day. its not surgery. apart from firearms, there really is no reason you shouldnt defend other people from injustice or undeserved treatments. that doesnt take med school to do.maninahat said:
Unless the cops in Seattle have gotten a hell of a lot better than they were when I lived there, it shouldn't come to anyone's surprise that someone has taken up super-heroics. If someone was in actual trouble, I'd be genuinely surprised most of the time if they showed up within 15 minutes.
I'm not necessarily condoning "Phoenix Jones"'s actions. I'm just saying that there's a real question about punishing someone for a using decidedly non-lethal tactics to break up a fight when the police aren't necessarily a viable alternative.
I'm not necessarily condoning "Phoenix Jones"'s actions. I'm just saying that there's a real question about punishing someone for a using decidedly non-lethal tactics to break up a fight when the police aren't necessarily a viable alternative.
I'm going to put this simply, there are suppose to be two types of citizens, Legal citizens and Moral citizens. A legal citizen will abide by the law in its entirety and would respond normally by informing someone with more ability and authority than themselves.maninahat said:
A moral citizen would act how they psychologically determine and in some cases I believe this is how some people should act.
Imagine a unfair fight, your family member is be grouped upon by an unfair amount of thugs. now honestly would you prefer someone to sit there and take the time to ring to police and wait the time for them to arrive by this time you family member could be seriously injured or worse.
However this man is trying to offer that alternative of being there when the police are to slow to react also this man isn't just trying to help as many people as he can he's also setting an example that our society should care for each other and we should try to help when a person is in need.
I'm not saying that the fact that he wears the idiotic costume is illegal.ph0b0s123 said:
I'm not saying that stepping in to help someone is illegal.
It's debatable as to whether or not that cattle prod would be considered illegal in Seattle.
It's also debatable as to whether or not he's broken any laws so far.
I'm not saying this arrest has anything to do with him breaking any laws, I'm saying that the Seattle police are sick of this guy running around trying to break up fights (or what he assumes to be a fight) and then when things escalate sprays people with pepper spray. A couple of the local news stations have reported a rash of people being sprayed after leaving clubs in the area by a person fitting "Jones'" description.
Now that I think about he almost reminds me of Cartman in the South Park where he gets to be Hall Monitor and he starts acting like Dog the Bounty Hunter and spraying people with bear mace when they don't listen to him.
This guy is nothing more than an attention seeker that's read too many comic books. After he was released on bail in an effort to "get his side of the story out there", he turned up at one of the local news stations at around 10PM to give an interview so he could be on the 11 o'clock news, and it worked.
I wouldn't go that far, I just think that he's an attention seeking dumbass that's gonna run into more trouble than he can handle one of these days and he's gonna wind up in a hospital or a morgue because he fucked with the wrong people.hiks89 said:
I said A guy as in ONE not the entire group. Its a standard take down of a man who raised his fists to the police no matter what the guy says about why he raised his hands. Then they react to it. Its not police brutality. If you think taking a man down to the ground that raises their fists to you is brutality I would suggest you go back to Lala land because you certainly don't understand the world.synobal said:
Where have I said I agree with what the officer who maced them did? I mean you even read number 6?
What does your single comment about the guy being a moron matter when you agree with his actions?
What does your single comment about the guy being a moron matter when you agree with his actions? Also if he was macing someone who was threatening the police how come he just walks up maces them and walks away? Shouldn't he be I dunno arresting the guy in question? Removing him from the protester group or something? The guy walks up maces them, and then flees leaving his stunned subordinate officers wondering 'what the hell?'Krion_Vark said:
Yes, but nothing here indicates he went out INTENDING to use it, he did not use the pepper spray to separate them.maninahat said:
It was only when it went against reasonable intention when they tuned on him that he resorted to the pepper spray to defend himself.
Separating people from fighting should not be provocation.
The difference between what he did and what cops do is officialdom.
"Trying to do the police's job job is as advisable as attempting to perform surgery in the place of doctors."
So where does the example stand of a member of the public performing first aid on someone because no "official" medics around? They have training, they just don't have "official" training. What of the man who dives into water to rescue a drowning child yet he is not an "official" lifeguard? What of the man who goes into a burning building to save someone because the fire brigade are still ages away?
It should not be limited to masked vigilantes, every citizen of a civilised and functional society should do everything they can to help those in need. The fact that another human is dealing the damage should be no grounds to shrink from responsibility.
If someone foolishly loses a large-denomination note in the wind, it is not unreasonable to go out of your way to retrieve for them. But if a person had taken it in a hit and run mugging, would it no be reasonable to try to stop the assailant?
Or should the attitude be "naw, that's rocket surgery, only a trained professional can tackle that thug"
not enough background.
What´s his education and training?
Did he attend Police School, Bodyguard Training, De-Escalation Psychology Diploma?
Obviously he doesn´t know how to properly approach conflicts.
despite some arguments here: He is NOT an incidental first aid helper. He´s going out to look for it with a MASK ON!
From here he looks like, as some here already said: An Altruistic Idiot.
Which may be the worst thing of all.
What´s his education and training?
Did he attend Police School, Bodyguard Training, De-Escalation Psychology Diploma?
Obviously he doesn´t know how to properly approach conflicts.
despite some arguments here: He is NOT an incidental first aid helper. He´s going out to look for it with a MASK ON!
From here he looks like, as some here already said: An Altruistic Idiot.
Which may be the worst thing of all.