Sexsim: have the tables actually turned?
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I assume you don't mean individual cases of tools being sexist, in which case, in english speaking western countries at least, yes. To sum up what I would said, I'll just link this vdeio, although it's probably been linked already.
Edit: If you can't stand strong language or opinions, not a good idea to watch the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JA4EPRbWhQ
Edit: If you can't stand strong language or opinions, not a good idea to watch the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JA4EPRbWhQ
You have equally qualified male and female candidates for a job.
The female will get the job because the employer doesn't want to be a sexist. So yeah, I would say the tables have turned. I've felt it on my own skin.
The female will get the job because the employer doesn't want to be a sexist. So yeah, I would say the tables have turned. I've felt it on my own skin.
Uh, care to elaborate why that's a bad thing? Because the way I see, we should remove differences, we shouldn't dictate how people live their life just because of what genitals they got lumped with at birth. Let people live their lives as individuals however they want, without our ideas of how they should act affecting them.RT said:
Know what else sucks? How people complain about the pills so much but decide to keep taking them. You don't have to shell out the money and there are other ways to avoid pregnancy. Back on topic, I'm sick of both sides. I'm sick of men complaining about being overtaken (we're not) and I'm sick of women complaining about not having enough (you do). Also double standards, those can kiss my arse. Don't beg for equality then complain when I don't pay for the entire dinner or any of that crap. But, and there is no arguing this, women have it better in court. Now everyone stop saying everyone else is sexist and you want more.Chemical Alia said:
Not always the case, as I have said. What about female dominated fields? Men will be hired over women in those cases. Or other nationalities will be hired, or the disabled, or or or. All depends on the situation.BiH-Kira said:
Video games and women are still a subject not fully explored or sorted out. Especially on a forum like this, the majority of responders are going to be men, and men who have enough money to have the internet and gaming systems. Many of the people here work in tech industries. Up until recently, women weren't part of those workplaces often.
Why? Because we were discouraged. There are exceptions, of course, but doesn't the stigma of "men are better at math and sciences" still stand in general? Teaching has changed, yes. As an educator, I've read a lot of articles about how there should be more active classes for the boys. I agree.
I also taught at a school for girls only. A much higher percentage of these girls went on to universities for math and science studies than public schools. I don't have the stats, but it is still more men than women in tech, math, and (to a lesser extent now) the sciences.
I'll post an observation here that may be wrong, but it's simply what I've seen. There are building a new football arena minutes from where I grew up and where my parents still live. In conjunction, roads are being torn up and expanded all over the area. Now, we all agree construction workers earn very high wages? Here I see job postings for foremen running 100k a year. I do see some women working alongside the men, but when I see them, they are holding the signs or sighting poles (whatever they're called.) I have yet to see a woman with a shovel in her hands. Is that by their choice? I don't know, but they are always the ones directing traffic or standing by while things are sighted and measured.
I am very happy women are getting into labour jobs, they are very much needed and pay very well... but like I said, are they holding the traffic signs by choice?
Wouldn't you think the same of a man? I would, to an extent. Not everyone believes we should even be reproducing at all with such a population crisis around, but that's another thread.Vault101 said:
As far as I know, pay is equal in the UK. I know it is at my work anyway. Obviously people like senior sales get paid more, regardless of gender.
I think sexism towards men is trying to be made out like it's a joke. Maybe it's to do with the fact we haven't always had the same rights and it's us getting back at men. I haven't a scooby doo why sexism towards men is suddenly so accepted.
A thing that still pisses me off is that my boyfriend applied for a job at Gamestation. So did a girl with big boobs (full of fat to be honest), a low cut top, bright red hair and piercings. My boyfriend is an avid gamer and has had retail experience. She has had none, didn't even own any consoles and was thick as fucking shit. Guess who got the job?
I think sexism towards men is trying to be made out like it's a joke. Maybe it's to do with the fact we haven't always had the same rights and it's us getting back at men. I haven't a scooby doo why sexism towards men is suddenly so accepted.
A thing that still pisses me off is that my boyfriend applied for a job at Gamestation. So did a girl with big boobs (full of fat to be honest), a low cut top, bright red hair and piercings. My boyfriend is an avid gamer and has had retail experience. She has had none, didn't even own any consoles and was thick as fucking shit. Guess who got the job?
I applied for EB/Gamestop many times over the years, and was never hired. Even if I'd had years of retail and gaming experience. My sister even applied, and she'd had management experience. We never got the jobs. I see girls working at them now, but 10-15 years ago when we were applying, that wasn't the case.EeveeElectro said:
FWIW, Libraries are a tech-oriented job now as well. My entire education is computer based. In order to graduate, I had to take a networking/lan course, web publishing, business courses, AV repair/maintenance course, etc. And the field is mostly women, so that's changing. All these courses are relatively new to the field, and there's a huge gap in the industry now, as all the old librarians who weren't taught all this stuff aren't retiring, but can't do the job as it is now. This isn't a gender gap issue, it's an age/education issue.
Someone above said things will change when the baby boomers retire, and I agree. The work force world-wide will shift and these issues won't be so big in the next 10-15 years.
There was a period in time when feminism meant the right to vote, own property, and to pick any profession they want without regard for their male counterpart.
But as of now, I'm just thankful the whole neo-feminism thing hasn't reached zealot level insanity.
I don't think it's gone too far yet, I just think that they may be getting out of hand with the direction they're taking
But as of now, I'm just thankful the whole neo-feminism thing hasn't reached zealot level insanity.
I don't think it's gone too far yet, I just think that they may be getting out of hand with the direction they're taking
I'd say that the tables have not turned (although in certain 3rd world nations, they still need to be evened out). For every hyper-feminist, there is a a woman-hating bigot (like our suspended friend on this very discussion). For every physical problem that men have to deal with, there is one for women. Whether or not they are equal as hardships is relative and depends on each individual case so there is no point in arguing that.
It definitely is more socially acceptable to blame the man in most situations, but remember, our justice system bases their decisions on cases from the PAST and from past framework. Feminism and Civil Rights have been around for only a few decades. That's not enough time to completely reverse the system. Back in the day, women were considered to be too weak and dainty to commit a crime and minorities were always the guilty party no matter what the case. That's why men get blamed and why racial minorities also tend to get the shaft in court cases. It's a construct that has yet to die because a few decades is not going to reverse several hundred years by any means.
Feminists aren't out to get men. Honestly, I am more critical of my own gender because I want us to act better to prove that we are equal rather than lowering men down so we can be superior. Every time I see a woman demand that her boyfriend leave his friend for her or demand that he put aside what makes him the person that he is so that she can be happy...it disgusts me. We as a gender and as people are capable of being better than this petty garbage.
Affirmative action is hardly a thing that is related to sex. Also, just because someone has more certificates doesn't actually mean that they can perform a job better. Some people require more schooling than others and some people have to work less than others to get to where they are because they were lucky and happened to be born smarter/more capable of certain brain function. It's how the world works and it's hardly sexism. What is sexist is picking someone SOLELY based on gender rather than who they are as a person and a professional.
Many things go into factoring employment and ultimately a company will not screw itself over by hiring someone TOTALLY incapable of doing said job despite affirmative action. If I went and tried to go get a job in engineering, I'd be denied right out because I'm a bloody English major and I know jack squat about engineering! My sex will not automatically equal a job in most fields outside of anything min wage.
Also, for our misogynist friend, here are some lists of female inventions and products that are commonly used and or beloved by just the US.
http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0906931.html
http://inventors.about.com/od/womeninventors/a/women_inventors.htm
And as to WHY women couldn't invent things. I think this is a good indication:
"We'll probably never know how many women inventors there were. That's because in the early years of the United States, a woman could not get a patent in her own name. A patent is considered a kind of property, and until the late 1800s laws forbade women in most states from owning property or entering into legal agreements in their own names. Instead, a woman's property would be in the name of her father or husband.
For example, many people believe that Sybilla Masters was the first American woman inventor. In 1712 she developed a new corn mill, but was denied a patent because she was a woman. Three years later the patent was filed successfully in her husband's name."
I dunno about you guys, but I believe that things like the syringe, kevlar, the fire escape, the life raft, and the chocolate chip cookie were pretty damn useful inventions, don't cha think?
Oh and Mary Shelley was the author of Frankenstein, one of history's most beloved monsters on the silver screen. Just felt that was worth mentioning because the book is amazing.
It definitely is more socially acceptable to blame the man in most situations, but remember, our justice system bases their decisions on cases from the PAST and from past framework. Feminism and Civil Rights have been around for only a few decades. That's not enough time to completely reverse the system. Back in the day, women were considered to be too weak and dainty to commit a crime and minorities were always the guilty party no matter what the case. That's why men get blamed and why racial minorities also tend to get the shaft in court cases. It's a construct that has yet to die because a few decades is not going to reverse several hundred years by any means.
Feminists aren't out to get men. Honestly, I am more critical of my own gender because I want us to act better to prove that we are equal rather than lowering men down so we can be superior. Every time I see a woman demand that her boyfriend leave his friend for her or demand that he put aside what makes him the person that he is so that she can be happy...it disgusts me. We as a gender and as people are capable of being better than this petty garbage.
Affirmative action is hardly a thing that is related to sex. Also, just because someone has more certificates doesn't actually mean that they can perform a job better. Some people require more schooling than others and some people have to work less than others to get to where they are because they were lucky and happened to be born smarter/more capable of certain brain function. It's how the world works and it's hardly sexism. What is sexist is picking someone SOLELY based on gender rather than who they are as a person and a professional.
Many things go into factoring employment and ultimately a company will not screw itself over by hiring someone TOTALLY incapable of doing said job despite affirmative action. If I went and tried to go get a job in engineering, I'd be denied right out because I'm a bloody English major and I know jack squat about engineering! My sex will not automatically equal a job in most fields outside of anything min wage.
Also, for our misogynist friend, here are some lists of female inventions and products that are commonly used and or beloved by just the US.
http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0906931.html
http://inventors.about.com/od/womeninventors/a/women_inventors.htm
And as to WHY women couldn't invent things. I think this is a good indication:
"We'll probably never know how many women inventors there were. That's because in the early years of the United States, a woman could not get a patent in her own name. A patent is considered a kind of property, and until the late 1800s laws forbade women in most states from owning property or entering into legal agreements in their own names. Instead, a woman's property would be in the name of her father or husband.
For example, many people believe that Sybilla Masters was the first American woman inventor. In 1712 she developed a new corn mill, but was denied a patent because she was a woman. Three years later the patent was filed successfully in her husband's name."
I dunno about you guys, but I believe that things like the syringe, kevlar, the fire escape, the life raft, and the chocolate chip cookie were pretty damn useful inventions, don't cha think?
Oh and Mary Shelley was the author of Frankenstein, one of history's most beloved monsters on the silver screen. Just felt that was worth mentioning because the book is amazing.
Its not like they turn into robots, its just that these repressed emotion manifest themselves in negative ways later on.oppp7 said:
Actually its Icelandic, but if you're on chrome you can just translate it. Other than that, dunno about an English-version.
It is an issue because the difference in most of these studies amounts to a 40-60 split, while it was being used to justify men having virtually no access to shelters and the legal discrimination in the United States Violence Against Women Act which changed the definitions of domestic abuse from something between intimate partners to something that a man does to a woman.oppp7 said:
People are out there working very hard to illegitimize violence that happens to men while demonizing anyone who so much as hits back. We create this narrative and decide that the real world needs to fit this narrative and scream bloody murder when it doesn't. We see the battered woman and assume that the man is evil while we see a battered man and we assume he is cheating and shout "you go girl" to his abuser.
Lets take this for example, its a little off topic, but recent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpL9jJkROps
Notice how the cashier "violently attacked two unruly customers" of course they hold off on the fact that one woman jumped over the counter to assault him while the other tried to rob the till. This isn't attacking, this is hitting back. I understand the idea that he went overboard, but his life could very well have been at risk because of this, one of the girls could have had a knife or a weapon and it was a split second decision fuelled by adrenaline, that happened to get a little out of hand. Can you imagine if those women were men? we would be cheering for this, the criminals would have gotten what they deserve? if the cashier were a woman we would laugh even harder. Please notice that the women got charged with misdemeanours while the man got charged with a felony. Because self defence gone too far is worse than out and out assault and battery. This is nothing, there is serious talk about eliminating womens prisons in Britain, no matter what a woman does, she would not be able to go to jail.