Shepard Can Lose in Mass Effect 3

Whateveralot

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PingoBlack said:
Whateveralot said:
Resorting to Facebook was a very smart move. All companies strive for optimal customer satisfaction. The best way to do this is by finding out what customers want. Market research is getting outdated and the new way to go is through social media. It's all done so YOU get what YOU want. They're actually listening to you now; what's so bad about that?
Erm? In a creative process you ask?

I think BioWare did much better when they did what they well pleased. Listening to fans never produced good products.
Well first off, it's not JUST a creative process. It's also decisionmaking keeping the business in mind. Pulling the fans along with all that really boosts anticipation for the game. But concerning the real subject here (the creative process).

We can state that they had to make a choice for FemShep eventually. They had the options there, they could make a poll during a board meeting and settle the matter. By that point, when all the options are set, the creative process is already (mostly) over. Now what they'll have to do is implement this into the game itself, which is no different now then it would be if they kept this inside the company.

That doesn't mean it's ALWAYS a good idea to listen to your fans. You do have a good point there; fans should not mess with the company's creative processes. However, in this example, I don't think it's a creative process they're doing. It's a poll, all the options are laid out; it doesn't get less creative.
 

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Getting off topic again, but they even fucked up their attempt to make their black and white morality system not so black and white. The Paragon was supposed to be an idealist; someone who would not sacrifice their principles, while the Renegade was supposed to be someone to whom the ends justified the means. Instead, we get a naive, head in the clouds, light side of the force, way of the open palm nice guy, and a jerk who punches reporters in the head. Really off topic now, but that SHOULD NOT HAVE FUCKING GIVEN RENEGADE POINTS.
Seriously? You don't see how a Paragon Shepard would've respected the uniform and given a diplomatic response whereas a Renegade Shepard would've just resorted to violence?

The EC crew made an interesting observation a while ago. During - spoiler alert - Legion's loyalty mission, you are given the choice of brainwashing or destroying the Geth. Instead of considering the ramifications of brainwashing an entire species to die for you, as opposed to removing the threat entirely - Bioware opted for the simplistic approach.
Legion offers no guarantee that the reprogrammed Heretics will side with Shepard - in fact, it's even possible that integrating them into the Geth Collective might make the Heretics stronger in the long run.

The choice you're facing at that moment - and during most Paragon/Renegade moments - is sacrifice versus convenience. Killing the Rachni Queen is easier: you don't have to worry about a new Swarm turning up, you don't have to guess the Queen's true intentions. Likewise, letting the Council die is the fastest way to put humans in charge of the galaxy. And why even take the chance that the Heretics could spread even further when you can just blow them up and have it done with?

Paragon options are about doing the right thing, even if it costs you: blowing up the Collector Base means you lose any chance at researching Reaper technology, but on the other hand, getting rid of it means no more indoctrination (and, more importantly, keeping it out of the hands of people like the Illusive Man whose motives are less than clear). Unplugging the Overlord VI lets you save one life at the expense of a way to instantly neutralize rogue Geth (and, who knows, maybe even the Reapers themselves).

It comes down to what kind of person you're roleplaying: the kind who sleeps well at night knowing the character kept his or her integrity, and will face the consequences head-on, or the kind who sleeps well at night knowing every possible threat's been neutralized.
 

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I'm simply miffed that the game is going to be focused on Earth. Yes, you can travel the galaxy as usual, but everything is focused on stopping the Reapers from taking Earth. We've saved Earth hundreds of times in the past geniuses, its one of the most common plot points Sci-Fi does. Give us something different, blow the planet up for god's sakes. There's more at stake in the galaxy, but no, it just has to be about Earth right?
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
*cough* Origin *cough*

That's what's going to sell/kill ME3 now.
I'd say Origin will cause BF3 to flop on PC so I would be surprised if they dont drop origin
 

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PingoBlack said:
Sad that all BioWare PR is now handled by EA, people that brought you Dead Space 2 comercial ...
"From the makers of 'your mom will hate this game,' we bring you...Your mom will also hate this game. But mostly because it's a muddled mess, a hollow husk of a once ambitious attempt. Don't be hatin'."
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
I'm simply miffed that the game is going to be focused on Earth. Yes, you can travel the galaxy as usual, but everything is focused on stopping the Reapers from taking Earth. We've saved Earth hundreds of times in the past geniuses, its one of the most common plot points Sci-Fi does. Give us something different, blow the planet up for god's sakes. There's more at stake in the galaxy, but no, it just has to be about Earth right?
Also this. My first thought after ME2 was "I hope to god that they don't center the last game around humanity and Earth." Way to go Bioware. You create this really cool universe and choose to close out the trilogy with another battle for Earth.
 

PingoBlack

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Zachary Amaranth said:
PingoBlack said:
Sad that all BioWare PR is now handled by EA, people that brought you Dead Space 2 comercial ...
"From the makers of 'your mom will hate this game,' we bring you...Your mom will also hate this game. But mostly because it's a muddled mess, a hollow husk of a once ambitious attempt. Don't be hatin'."
Hahaha. :) Yeah, no need to be hatin'.
 
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mrc390 said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
*cough* Origin *cough*

That's what's going to sell/kill ME3 now.
I'd say Origin will cause BF3 to flop on PC so I would be surprised if they dont drop origin
That's the sensible move.

What worries me is they keep Origin, ME3 flops, so they say "It's not worth carrying on on the PC because it's too full of pirates."

But remember this?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/109781-EA-Tweaking-Mass-Effect-3-to-Appeal-to-Wider-Market

You want to think what that "tweak" was?
 

DaMullet

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Ah... brings me back to the Wing Commander 3 days.

You could lose in that game and it was awesome!

Yay for failing!
 

uguito-93

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Yes, because you failed. Getting a failure condition is still a pretty standard thing. Unless its talking about you failing because of a decision you made 3 hours ago. Then thats probably one of the biggest dick moves I've ever heard.
Did you play the second one? I'd imagine they'll handle it like that, with different numbers of bad decisions giving you a progressively worse ending.
Dude there's no arguing with a cynic saying everything possible to make something that everyone but him is looking forward to sound like shit.
 

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RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Soviet Heavy said:
I'm simply miffed that the game is going to be focused on Earth. Yes, you can travel the galaxy as usual, but everything is focused on stopping the Reapers from taking Earth. We've saved Earth hundreds of times in the past geniuses, its one of the most common plot points Sci-Fi does. Give us something different, blow the planet up for god's sakes. There's more at stake in the galaxy, but no, it just has to be about Earth right?
Also this. My first thought after ME2 was "I hope to god that they don't center the last game around humanity and Earth." Way to go Bioware. You create this really cool universe and choose to close out the trilogy with another battle for Earth.
Based on the information released thus far, the game starts on Earth. But one of the first things that was mentioned with regards to ME3 was that we'd finally get to visit the Asari, Salarian and Turian homeworlds as they're all invaded simultaneously. Sounds like more than just another battle for Earth IMO.
 

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Cheshire the Cat said:
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Interested again. Though personally, I would actually prefer a no win scenario. No matter what you do, how hard you fight, who you recruit, all you can do is minimize losses and buy time for a few ships of refugees to escape while the universe burns.
I'm pretty sure that if the Reapers win, there will be no refugees to save.
Reapers come by roughly every 50,000 years give or take. Thats not long enough for a entire galaxy of intelligent life to evolve from basic animals.
So therefore there has to be some survivors from every purge.
They cull the universe true, but they do not exterminate everything.
The game seems to hint that they leave leave non space-flight capable species alive. Humanity survived the last purge because they were at the cromagnon stage if I recall.

OT: i like the concept, but I'm guessing you'll only get this ending if you're actively trying to. Of course, I also hope they don't go in the exact opposite direction and make it impossible to see coming without knowing exactly what each option will do beforehand, like say if Shephard doesn't have black hair then you're screwed, or for a a real life example, what Disgaea did.
 

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Hammeroj said:
Not buying it. 50 bucks says it's going to be another one of those "purposely sabotage your own efforts" deals, and not something that actually requires thought or anything to that extent.
I don't know. Who lived and who died in ME2 had to do with making a rational choice during the end scene (along with ship upgrades). I actually made one wrong choice which I thought was logical at the time. For me, Thane is dead (of course I thought he was pretty much dead anyway, so it wasn't a big loss).
 

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All I want is a sequel to this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PjTuSQNLI4 ] (or female version here [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vy7imM9I9k])

Joking aside, I always suspected there would be an ending where, if you f*** everything up like in ME2, then you get the bad ending. So this is of no surprise to me, although it would be pretty anticlimactic if Shepard, after going through three games, just lets the galaxy die.
 
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Oooh, I've got how EA will promote this!

"Fed up losing to the Reapers? Upgrade Shephard in the online store! And when he fails, your money will go straight to his funeral costs!"

Did we mention there's an online store? That you must connect to. It uses the new currency of DRaM, so you know it's secure.

And here's Femshep to tell you how it works. *bounce* *bounce* HI BOYS, THEY DON'T LET ME TALK ABOUT SMART STUFF SO I'M HERE TO TELL YOU HOW TO SHOP! *tehehehe*
Ah, cynicism purged for the day.
 

PingoBlack

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Ah, cynicism purged for the day.
What cynicism?

ME2 you didn't even get whole story without buying 3 separate DLC! Wanna bet the number will be higher than 3 for ME3? :)