Shia LaBeouf Says No to More Transformers

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I never understood all the criticism for Bay's Transformers. I never watched it as a kid, so I'm not blinded by nostalgia. Sure, it was shallow, and there was nothing to it, but its an action movie. I didn't watch it expecting the Godfather, or Kill Bill, or anything particularly groundbreaking. It was an average film, sure, but that level or average doesn't correlate with the incredible level of hatred it seemed to inspire in people.

It never hit the expectations of a bunch of rabid fanboys who were expecting something good from an adaptation of a cartoon about robots beating the shit out of each other, which in turn was an adaptation of a toy line about robots beating the shit out of each other. I hear a lot of complaints about how it's "brainless" and "stupid". What the fuck were these people expecting, Citizen Kane with Optimus Prime!?

There are still legitimate criticisms about the movie but I hardly think Shia Labeouf is one of them, other than getting too much screen time. His acting isn't that bad, and he (so far) doesn't seem like a bad fellow so what gives? Why hate him?

Maybe a bit of jealousy? Fans of the series wish it was them in that role?

I have no idea. Its just the first thing that comes to mind. He isn't particularly bad, he just seems to get roles in films that fans hate (Transformers, he was in Crystal Skull I think too.)

So yeh... hatred by association, or hatred out of jealousy? I dont know.

Jealousy? Please. I just mind him to be an annoying, one note actor. How in the world did you reach that conclusion?

Quite easily. Think about it; you like Transformers. It was your childhood. You loved it. Then the film is released, and you're really excited. You watch it, and realise he's an "annoying, one note actor" and you think he was a terrible choice. You possibly start think how you'd have played it, and how it would be better, and then theres this kid playing the role that someone better should be playing, and secretly you consider yourself a better choice.

My use of "you" is purely objective. Its not aimed at you in particular. And this is just a theory; I have no idea what goes through a Transformers fan's head, and I don't understand the hatred towards him, at least, hatred to the extent Transformers fans have for him.

I was neutral on Transformers as a kid. I would watch it if it was on, but didn't think it was anything to write home about. Let me elaborate:
He was annoying in Disturbia.
He was annoying in the Crystal Skull.
He was annoying in the Transformers movies.
I hate him as an actor.
I highly doubt any significant number of fans think they could do better than him. It sounds like you are trying to rationalize why fans hate him in an attempt to stick up for the guy. Maybe he is hated for being a terrible actor.

 

[The.Bard]

I never understood all the criticism for Bay's Transformers. I never watched it as a kid, so I'm not blinded by nostalgia. Sure, it was shallow, and there was nothing to it, but its an action movie. I didn't watch it expecting the Godfather, or Kill Bill, or anything particularly groundbreaking. It was an average film, sure, but that level or average doesn't correlate with the incredible level of hatred it seemed to inspire in people.

An ugly as sin giant robot says "I can smell you, boy!"

One of the worst actors of this generation has such dramatically touching lines as "No!" and "No no no!", and my personal favorite, "No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no!!!"

Honestly, everything Michael Bay does is hideous, most of what "Sh&#$y Leboof" does is hideous. It just makes sense that these films are pure trash. Quite frankly, if you're going to misunderstand anything, it should be the lack of MORE criticism of Transformers.

This film could have been called "Giant Robots That Morph" and have nothing to do with the Transformers brand, and it STILL would have been terrible. Nostalgia has nothing to do with this series' shortcomings. If anything it helps it, because no matter how bad these films are, we poor fans of the cartoon will KEEP GOING TO SEE THEM.

I give Michael Bay credit though. Anytime he makes a movie that doesn't have the 15,000 megatons of suckage that "Pearl Harbor" did, I nod my head, clap politely, and say "Good job, Michael. Keep eating your wheaties."

Back on topic, this news makes me weep miserably. If Sh&%#y Leboof doesn't do any more Transormers movies, that means he will be doing OTHER movies. Like Indiana Jones 5, and Jeebus knows what else. That means he will be DOUBLING YOUR PAIN, people! Transformers will still make your skin crawl, but so will the new movies Leboof is doing in their place!

*runs away screaming as an ugly robot says "I can smell you, boy!"*

 

[Baradiel]

I never understood all the criticism for Bay's Transformers. I never watched it as a kid, so I'm not blinded by nostalgia. Sure, it was shallow, and there was nothing to it, but its an action movie. I didn't watch it expecting the Godfather, or Kill Bill, or anything particularly groundbreaking. It was an average film, sure, but that level or average doesn't correlate with the incredible level of hatred it seemed to inspire in people.

It never hit the expectations of a bunch of rabid fanboys who were expecting something good from an adaptation of a cartoon about robots beating the shit out of each other, which in turn was an adaptation of a toy line about robots beating the shit out of each other. I hear a lot of complaints about how it's "brainless" and "stupid". What the fuck were these people expecting, Citizen Kane with Optimus Prime!?

There are still legitimate criticisms about the movie but I hardly think Shia Labeouf is one of them, other than getting too much screen time. His acting isn't that bad, and he (so far) doesn't seem like a bad fellow so what gives? Why hate him?

Maybe a bit of jealousy? Fans of the series wish it was them in that role?

I have no idea. Its just the first thing that comes to mind. He isn't particularly bad, he just seems to get roles in films that fans hate (Transformers, he was in Crystal Skull I think too.)

So yeh... hatred by association, or hatred out of jealousy? I dont know.

Jealousy? Please. I just mind him to be an annoying, one note actor. How in the world did you reach that conclusion?

Quite easily. Think about it; you like Transformers. It was your childhood. You loved it. Then the film is released, and you're really excited. You watch it, and realise he's an "annoying, one note actor" and you think he was a terrible choice. You possibly start think how you'd have played it, and how it would be better, and then theres this kid playing the role that someone better should be playing, and secretly you consider yourself a better choice.

My use of "you" is purely objective. Its not aimed at you in particular. And this is just a theory; I have no idea what goes through a Transformers fan's head, and I don't understand the hatred towards him, at least, hatred to the extent Transformers fans have for him.

I was neutral on Transformers as a kid. I would watch it if it was on, but didn't think it was anything to write home about. Let me elaborate:
He was annoying in Disturbia.
He was annoying in the Crystal Skull.
He was annoying in the Transformers movies.
I hate him as an actor.
I highly doubt any significant number of fans think they could do better than him. It sounds like you are trying to rationalize why fans hate him in an attempt to stick up for the guy. Maybe he is hated for being a terrible actor.

Oh, I'm not sticking up for him. I am trying to rationalise the hatred though, just because I don't understand the level of it that seems to swell towards him. There are shittier movies than Transformers, and they don't get half as much hatred. Even having someone like LaBeouf as the lead doesn't add up to the amount of disgust people seem to have for the films, and I'm putting that down to nostalgia.

 

[VondeVon]

I feel pretty 'meh' about it all. The only rage I had against the movies was the skanky girlfriend. Everything else I enjoyed, though I admit to feeling cheated of 'awesome transformation sequences' in the second movie. Stupid budget-saving 'hide behind a screen' moments.

Oh wait, those stupid transformer balls made me want to punch Bay in the throat.

(But more Transformer-only stuff? I dunno, unless they have some excellent writers and really enrich the world and the characters... I just wouldn't be interested in a movie focused on two-dimensional machines.)

 

[John the Gamer]

Yay! There is a god after all. Now change the director! Please?!?

Spoiler: Please?

 

[HyenaThePirate]

I'm thinking it's already time for a Transformers franchise reboot!

I think maybe I'll helm it... I want to set it IN the 80's. A period piece! And then, I'm going to make the transformers look like lifelike versions of the Transformers from the 80's cartoons using a combination of stop motion cameras and scale models as well as Henson's Light and Magic studio to build the actual transformers... none of that CGI nonsense!
And no 3D. I want it to be the film we all wanted when we were 5 years old!

And the plot will be more simplistic.. I've already written the script:

Random Human: Hey, who left this gun just lying here in the street... HOLY MOTHER OMG F$#*&!!!

Guns transforms into 3 story robot.

Megatron: Now you filthy apes will feel my wrath!! Starscream, destroy them!

Jet plane streaks down, fires at crowd of slow, ineffectual police officers, blowing up their cars but missing most of them as they dive out of the explosions.

Megatron: Starscream I told you to destroy them! You have failed me again!!

Megatron backhands Starscream. Starscream weeps tears of motor oil.

A tank drives up, transforms and starts loading glowing blue cubes into the back of a truck.

Megatron: Yes, yes! Collect all of those energon cubes! Soon we'll have enough power to do something totally nefarious, so nefarious I haven't even really thought about what it will be yet, but it shall be nefarious indeed!

Voice of John Wayne: Not TODAY, Megatron.

Nearby a boombox lying around innocuously for no reason on a bench transforms into a giant ninja robot.

Ninja Robot (in digitized voice of awesomeness): Megatron! Autobots detected!

Megatron: Optimus Prime! Starscream, Soundwave, Decepticons! Attack!

Optimus Prime: Now Megatron, one shall rise and one shall fall!

Starscream: Megatron we are outnumbered! We are defeated! Decepticons, Megatron is lost! Retreat! RETREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAT!!

Megatron: Wait.. Starscream wait for me!!!!

A plane flies down and megatron jumps on and flies away into the distance.

Megatron (far away): Curse you PRIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spunky yellow Robot: Let's go get em prime!!

Optimus Prime: Stand down Bumblebee... we'll get them next time. Let's all go home, the decepticons have been defeated yet again by justice. Autobots, roll out!

Megan Fox appears suddenly on screen, naked on a trampoline, tits jiggling.

The End.

Or is it?

Roll credits.


SO um.. I'll be setting up a paypal account shortly to begin funding and pre-production. Whose in?

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I never understood all the criticism for Bay's Transformers. I never watched it as a kid, so I'm not blinded by nostalgia. Sure, it was shallow, and there was nothing to it, but its an action movie. I didn't watch it expecting the Godfather, or Kill Bill, or anything particularly groundbreaking. It was an average film, sure, but that level or average doesn't correlate with the incredible level of hatred it seemed to inspire in people.

It never hit the expectations of a bunch of rabid fanboys who were expecting something good from an adaptation of a cartoon about robots beating the shit out of each other, which in turn was an adaptation of a toy line about robots beating the shit out of each other. I hear a lot of complaints about how it's "brainless" and "stupid". What the fuck were these people expecting, Citizen Kane with Optimus Prime!?

There are still legitimate criticisms about the movie but I hardly think Shia Labeouf is one of them, other than getting too much screen time. His acting isn't that bad, and he (so far) doesn't seem like a bad fellow so what gives? Why hate him?

Maybe a bit of jealousy? Fans of the series wish it was them in that role?

I have no idea. Its just the first thing that comes to mind. He isn't particularly bad, he just seems to get roles in films that fans hate (Transformers, he was in Crystal Skull I think too.)

So yeh... hatred by association, or hatred out of jealousy? I dont know.

Jealousy? Please. I just mind him to be an annoying, one note actor. How in the world did you reach that conclusion?

Quite easily. Think about it; you like Transformers. It was your childhood. You loved it. Then the film is released, and you're really excited. You watch it, and realise he's an "annoying, one note actor" and you think he was a terrible choice. You possibly start think how you'd have played it, and how it would be better, and then theres this kid playing the role that someone better should be playing, and secretly you consider yourself a better choice.

My use of "you" is purely objective. Its not aimed at you in particular. And this is just a theory; I have no idea what goes through a Transformers fan's head, and I don't understand the hatred towards him, at least, hatred to the extent Transformers fans have for him.

I was neutral on Transformers as a kid. I would watch it if it was on, but didn't think it was anything to write home about. Let me elaborate:
He was annoying in Disturbia.
He was annoying in the Crystal Skull.
He was annoying in the Transformers movies.
I hate him as an actor.
I highly doubt any significant number of fans think they could do better than him. It sounds like you are trying to rationalize why fans hate him in an attempt to stick up for the guy. Maybe he is hated for being a terrible actor.

Oh, I'm not sticking up for him. I am trying to rationalise the hatred though, just because I don't understand the level of it that seems to swell towards him. There are shittier movies than Transformers, and they don't get half as much hatred. Even having someone like LaBeouf as the lead doesn't add up to the amount of disgust people seem to have for the films, and I'm putting that down to nostalgia.

Let's take budget into account. Okay, "Billy the Kid vs. Dracula" was bad, but it didn't have a budget. Revenge of the Fallen had a 200 million dollar budget. And that was the best that they could do? Better yet, name a blockbuster that is worse than RotF since it came out. Considering the money and effort put into the series, yes, those movies are that bad.

 

[Goofguy]

I don't really care about Shia saying no to more sequels, I just want these Transformer movies to stop being made.

 

[cynicalsaint1]

He said that it took what was good about the first movie and used that, while fixing what was bad in the second.

Wait, there were good parts about the first movie?

It never hit the expectations of a bunch of rabid fanboys who were expecting something good from an adaptation of a cartoon about robots beating the shit out of each other, which in turn was an adaptation of a toy line about robots beating the shit out of each other. I hear a lot of complaints about how it's "brainless" and "stupid". What the fuck were these people expecting, Citizen Kane with Optimus Prime!?

The problem is the movies aren't about robots beating the shit out of each other, they're about Shia LeBeouf trying to get laid.

 

[Phishfood]

While I welcome the news, I think we should hold off celebrating just in case the follow-up headline is "New Transformers movie to be made by Uwe Bol and star David Schwimmer*"

* I have nothing against him, I just can't see him as a transfomer star. I also blanked trying to think of a really bad actor.

 

[Kenami]

I never understood all the criticism for Bay's Transformers. I never watched it as a kid, so I'm not blinded by nostalgia. Sure, it was shallow, and there was nothing to it, but its an action movie. I didn't watch it expecting the Godfather, or Kill Bill, or anything particularly groundbreaking. It was an average film, sure, but that level or average doesn't correlate with the incredible level of hatred it seemed to inspire in people.

It never hit the expectations of a bunch of rabid fanboys who were expecting something good from an adaptation of a cartoon about robots beating the shit out of each other, which in turn was an adaptation of a toy line about robots beating the shit out of each other. I hear a lot of complaints about how it's "brainless" and "stupid". What the fuck were these people expecting, Citizen Kane with Optimus Prime!?

There are still legitimate criticisms about the movie but I hardly think Shia Labeouf is one of them, other than getting too much screen time. His acting isn't that bad, and he (so far) doesn't seem like a bad fellow so what gives? Why hate him?

I don't get it either. LaBeouf really isn't bad at all in the films in my opinion.

 

[Kenjitsuka]

"He's confident that there will be more Transformers movies in the future, but he says that he won't be in them."

AAARRRRGH!!!

Seriously, this is quite saddening. Stop ruining my nostalgia, Platinum Dunes.
I hate everything about you!

 

[Baradiel]

I never understood all the criticism for Bay's Transformers. I never watched it as a kid, so I'm not blinded by nostalgia. Sure, it was shallow, and there was nothing to it, but its an action movie. I didn't watch it expecting the Godfather, or Kill Bill, or anything particularly groundbreaking. It was an average film, sure, but that level or average doesn't correlate with the incredible level of hatred it seemed to inspire in people.

It never hit the expectations of a bunch of rabid fanboys who were expecting something good from an adaptation of a cartoon about robots beating the shit out of each other, which in turn was an adaptation of a toy line about robots beating the shit out of each other. I hear a lot of complaints about how it's "brainless" and "stupid". What the fuck were these people expecting, Citizen Kane with Optimus Prime!?

There are still legitimate criticisms about the movie but I hardly think Shia Labeouf is one of them, other than getting too much screen time. His acting isn't that bad, and he (so far) doesn't seem like a bad fellow so what gives? Why hate him?

Maybe a bit of jealousy? Fans of the series wish it was them in that role?

I have no idea. Its just the first thing that comes to mind. He isn't particularly bad, he just seems to get roles in films that fans hate (Transformers, he was in Crystal Skull I think too.)

So yeh... hatred by association, or hatred out of jealousy? I dont know.

Jealousy? Please. I just mind him to be an annoying, one note actor. How in the world did you reach that conclusion?

Quite easily. Think about it; you like Transformers. It was your childhood. You loved it. Then the film is released, and you're really excited. You watch it, and realise he's an "annoying, one note actor" and you think he was a terrible choice. You possibly start think how you'd have played it, and how it would be better, and then theres this kid playing the role that someone better should be playing, and secretly you consider yourself a better choice.

My use of "you" is purely objective. Its not aimed at you in particular. And this is just a theory; I have no idea what goes through a Transformers fan's head, and I don't understand the hatred towards him, at least, hatred to the extent Transformers fans have for him.

I was neutral on Transformers as a kid. I would watch it if it was on, but didn't think it was anything to write home about. Let me elaborate:
He was annoying in Disturbia.
He was annoying in the Crystal Skull.
He was annoying in the Transformers movies.
I hate him as an actor.
I highly doubt any significant number of fans think they could do better than him. It sounds like you are trying to rationalize why fans hate him in an attempt to stick up for the guy. Maybe he is hated for being a terrible actor.

Oh, I'm not sticking up for him. I am trying to rationalise the hatred though, just because I don't understand the level of it that seems to swell towards him. There are shittier movies than Transformers, and they don't get half as much hatred. Even having someone like LaBeouf as the lead doesn't add up to the amount of disgust people seem to have for the films, and I'm putting that down to nostalgia.

Let's take budget into account. Okay, "Billy the Kid vs. Dracula" was bad, but it didn't have a budget. Revenge of the Fallen had a 200 million dollar budget. And that was the best that they could do? Better yet, name a blockbuster that is worse than RotF since it came out. Considering the money and effort put into the series, yes, those movies are that bad.

Well, the Eragon film cost an estimated $100,000,000, and that was awful. I never watched Transformers, so I've no idea how well they stuck to the canon, but Eragon completely disregarded what was already a flimsy narrative. That flimsy narrative had quite the following, and the fans were angry, yet not the extent the Transformers fans were/are.

Ed Speeler has sortof drifted into obscurity, with most of the fans anger being directed at the author of the books in the first place, because he allowed such a terrible film version to be produced.

Not so with Transformers. Fan anger is directed at Bay and LaBeouf, while the $200mil was probably used on all the special effects (which weren't half bad).

The reason I think nostalgia is to blame is that there wouldn't be half as much anger towards the two of them if it hadn't been produced from a much-loved childhood series. If you take something people love and make it shit then they're obviously going to get riled up.

 

[Azrael the Cat]

As a gen-Xer who grew up on the original cartoon series, I'd just love to see a live-action equivalent of the original 'Transformers: the Movie' (Orson Welles' last role!):
- transformers all in their original designs, except for obvious upgrades (Soundwave is in it, but Rumble and the other tapes come out as CDs - or usb drives, for all I care); Megatron has his original form of turning into a gun (the most powerful weapon in the series, can pretty much one-shot kill any autobot, inevitably wielded by Starscream or Soundwave), Starscream is once again constantly trying to overtake Megatron but is just too damn useful for Megatron to execute him, etc.

Just take the opening battle of the original (cartoon, for kids) film. And yes, when considering the following death count, all of regularly appearing characters in the tv series, remember this was a kids' film:
- (some characters were already killed in the finale of the original cartoon series: eg Rumble tried his earthquake ability, and the stegosauraus dinobot pushes Rumble in to his own earthquake-created faultline crack).
- the Autobot reinforcements open by airdropping the dinobots onto the constructacons, who have already formed Devastator and are recking the autobots' shit - dinobots and constuctacons/devastorator all take each other out;
- Bumblebee (the autobot 'scout' and kids' main in-cartoon sympathetic character) gets killed;
- Optimus and Megatron dual big-time until one of the other autobots (forget his name - takes over as their 3rd leader after Ultra-Magnus) tries to take Megatron from behind, only for Megatron to use him as a shield while blasting Optimus to death (yes, Optimus Prime dies in the first 20 minutes).
- Megatron is so wounded from the fight against , that Starscream immediately kills him, the 2 decepticons who vote to side with the woudned Megatron over Starscream, and sends all their corpses off into space (yes, Megatron ALSO gets killed in the first 20 minutes, Starscream is finally leader).
- numerous other casualties of core characters that I can't remember for now.

And that's just the film's opening fight. And again, it was for 10 yr old kids. Awesome memories!

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I never understood all the criticism for Bay's Transformers. I never watched it as a kid, so I'm not blinded by nostalgia. Sure, it was shallow, and there was nothing to it, but its an action movie. I didn't watch it expecting the Godfather, or Kill Bill, or anything particularly groundbreaking. It was an average film, sure, but that level or average doesn't correlate with the incredible level of hatred it seemed to inspire in people.

It never hit the expectations of a bunch of rabid fanboys who were expecting something good from an adaptation of a cartoon about robots beating the shit out of each other, which in turn was an adaptation of a toy line about robots beating the shit out of each other. I hear a lot of complaints about how it's "brainless" and "stupid". What the fuck were these people expecting, Citizen Kane with Optimus Prime!?

There are still legitimate criticisms about the movie but I hardly think Shia Labeouf is one of them, other than getting too much screen time. His acting isn't that bad, and he (so far) doesn't seem like a bad fellow so what gives? Why hate him?

Maybe a bit of jealousy? Fans of the series wish it was them in that role?

I have no idea. Its just the first thing that comes to mind. He isn't particularly bad, he just seems to get roles in films that fans hate (Transformers, he was in Crystal Skull I think too.)

So yeh... hatred by association, or hatred out of jealousy? I dont know.

Jealousy? Please. I just mind him to be an annoying, one note actor. How in the world did you reach that conclusion?

Quite easily. Think about it; you like Transformers. It was your childhood. You loved it. Then the film is released, and you're really excited. You watch it, and realise he's an "annoying, one note actor" and you think he was a terrible choice. You possibly start think how you'd have played it, and how it would be better, and then theres this kid playing the role that someone better should be playing, and secretly you consider yourself a better choice.

My use of "you" is purely objective. Its not aimed at you in particular. And this is just a theory; I have no idea what goes through a Transformers fan's head, and I don't understand the hatred towards him, at least, hatred to the extent Transformers fans have for him.

I was neutral on Transformers as a kid. I would watch it if it was on, but didn't think it was anything to write home about. Let me elaborate:
He was annoying in Disturbia.
He was annoying in the Crystal Skull.
He was annoying in the Transformers movies.
I hate him as an actor.
I highly doubt any significant number of fans think they could do better than him. It sounds like you are trying to rationalize why fans hate him in an attempt to stick up for the guy. Maybe he is hated for being a terrible actor.

Oh, I'm not sticking up for him. I am trying to rationalise the hatred though, just because I don't understand the level of it that seems to swell towards him. There are shittier movies than Transformers, and they don't get half as much hatred. Even having someone like LaBeouf as the lead doesn't add up to the amount of disgust people seem to have for the films, and I'm putting that down to nostalgia.

Let's take budget into account. Okay, "Billy the Kid vs. Dracula" was bad, but it didn't have a budget. Revenge of the Fallen had a 200 million dollar budget. And that was the best that they could do? Better yet, name a blockbuster that is worse than RotF since it came out. Considering the money and effort put into the series, yes, those movies are that bad.

Well, the Eragon film cost an estimated $100,000,000, and that was awful. I never watched Transformers, so I've no idea how well they stuck to the canon, but Eragon completely disregarded what was already a flimsy narrative. That flimsy narrative had quite the following, and the fans were angry, yet not the extent the Transformers fans were/are.

Ed Speeler has sortof drifted into obscurity, with most of the fans anger being directed at the author of the books in the first place, because he allowed such a terrible film version to be produced.

Not so with Transformers. Fan anger is directed at Bay and LaBeouf, while the $200mil was probably used on all the special effects (which weren't half bad).

The reason I think nostalgia is to blame is that there wouldn't be half as much anger towards the two of them if it hadn't been produced from a much-loved childhood series. If you take something people love and make it shit then they're obviously going to get riled up.

Oh, I agree. But Shia would still be hated for making Crystal Skull more painful than it already was. And I hate Eragon for different reasons. But that is unrelated.

 

[itf cho]

Too soon?

Well based on his performances in the Transformers movies, and the last Indiana Jones movie (which I normally refuse to acknowledge), I hope he has another career lined up.

 

[funguy2121]

America says no to Shia LeBeouf.

 

[Random Argument Man]

I'm glad for Labeouf. His more popular role tend discredit him while his less popular role tend to be good acting.

Before you quote and say
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