Skyrim physical copies have no data on the discs

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tahrey

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Somonah said:
Rawne1980 said:
There are still people that don't have internet access.
There are people who don't like using their bank account or credit card details online.
Of course people still buy from retail shops you silly person with quite possibly the daftest comment of the day.
If they don't have internet access, how can they read what i post on this site?
Possibly Rawne meant "broadband"? A lot of people in less well provisioned areas are stuck on dialup because it's just too expensive for themselves or the cable company to run a BB line out to them, and satellite broadband is still kinda pricey. You can still get a reasonable game over dial-up if all the textures etc are cached, you just can't use voice chat or download any extra stuff in a meaningful fashion. If you're on 56k, six gigabytes would take about ELEVEN DAYS to download, IF you do nothing else, AND the line doesn't drop after a few hours... which is a heck of a wait even if your connection call is free. If it's charged at, say, a super low 0.5p per minute, that's £77...

tahrey said:
My somewhat cheap internet also comes with a 10 Gbyte "daytime" (08:00 to 23:59) monthly cap, which this would eat 60% of if I put the disc in to install it without realising that it was all going to come off the net... if I was already sailing close to that limit and otherwise rationing myself, it could potentially cost me an extra £10 (on top of the purchase price, and a £12.99 phone/net tariff) because it would bust thru the bandwidth cap, and then through the extra 5Gb-for-£5 limit which would have been automatically added. I could try downloading it overnight, but getting it within the "free" window cap would need at least a continuous 1.8Mbit transfer rate across myself, my ISP, the backbone, and the Steam servers, which I bet will be hard to come by for the next couple weeks. *Portal* took goddamn long enough to copy when I grabbed it on their free offer...
So your internet is sectioned off to 'peak hour cap' and off-peak hour cap' exactly like mine. What you can do, exactly like i do is download it overnight. And don't even try to ***** about your internet speed to me, im in Australia, we have the worst speeds in the world.
I think I already covered those two points... but let's reiterate.

* If the download is running slow, as in significantly below 2mbit/sec (which is not an uncommon thing to happen - as I said, Portal really dragged, and that was just from the stragglers who never previously played it grabbing it for free rather than the launch of a hotly anticipated AAA title) then it won't complete in the "off peak" period. Either you'll have to interrupt it with no good guarantee it won't just start over (AND wait most of an extra day before getting to play your paid-for game), or accept that hit to your bandwidth. And some people don't have this partitioning - I specifically went for this plan even though it wasn't the most affordable or that high a peaktime cap because I have a catch-up-TV streamer set to download in the offpeak time, and don't make superheavy data use of the internet other than that.

And, if it actually downloads from Steam without telling you, or you put the disc in and set it going automatically or whatever, trusting it to come off the disc, that's a sudden and unexpected lump of peak time usage (or unavoidable consumption of your 24/7 cap). Also, I would have to stay up to start it - or, having bought the game earlier in the day, on disc so I could start straight away... I'd feel cheated at then having to wait those long agonising hours until it can be safely started.


* My own internet speed isn't the issue, I haven't had to use anything less than 10mbit in quite a while - or at least, my mother's net (which I sometimes "borrow" from if I'm near my cap) will step down from 10 to 5 to 2.5 when you make heavy use of it in a short period, but you'd still be able to snag 6gb in ~3 hours even so. My own connection doesn't have heavy traffic shaping, just the "flexible" cap (ie you pay harsh overage fees but there's no upper limit). In clear conditions it will run at a fairly steady 13-ish Mbit, which is better than 1x DVD or 8x CDROM, and get you the game in about 90 minutes.

What instead I'm anticipating is huge SERVER load, which may bring speeds way down. I'm sure Steam has quite a good connection and some pretty beefy servers, but there's still a limit to what you can supply, and big "events" like this would create congestion even WITH some of the players installing from disc instead. If it was to fall to, say, 1.5 Mbit (single-speed CDROM), then the aforementioned longer-than-eight-hour download would result. That's peaktime usage I shouldn't have to be virtually/actually paying for, time spent waiting for a download when I could be playing, and an utter waste of a pressed DVD, the box it comes in, and the drive it was inserted into.
 

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Well glad to find out data is on disc from later posts in thread. I was about to cancel my pre-order because last game I downloaded entirely offline was League of Legends and that took me nine hours. Partially because down loader kept freezing for first five.
 

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If this is true, then I am going to trade Skyrim in the second I get it. I just don't have the Internet cap to download all these games...
 

tahrey

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bahumat42 said:
it wouldn't be hard
at all
there will be a dozen download sites offering the game in perpetuity. It will always be there, now for those unlucky enough to have terrible internet, sucks to be you i guess, but the stuff is still here for the rest of us.
There's no proof or guarantee of that. It might be near impossible to hack. The sites (at least, the easy to find ones) may be hit with takedown notices and greyhat DDoSes.

If you have it there, on a disc, then you can play it as long as you like. I recently resurrected my old Atari... and most of the floppies, despite being of early 90s vintage, still worked well enough for me to get the games and other apps up and running, and I had an enjoyable evening wandering down memory lane.

Ditto a lot of old PC games on floppy and CDROM.

Some of the ones that don't work, I'm fairly confident in finding a copy of online... but others, particularly those which stopped working years ago before I even put the machine to bed, I have NEVER found online copies of, and when they do sometimes crop up, they're fakes or otherwise corrupted and don't work.

You can repair a scratched CD / DVD, and keep retrying reads on a worn floppy in the hope that the head will catch the last fragments of the dying sector and you can clone it onto a new one. Bit hard to do that with files on a remote hard disk that are just images of a disc someone else ripped ages ago and may have made a complete hash of.
 

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Same thing happened to me with Metro, IF I WANTED TO PLAY IT THROUGH STEAM, I WOULD HAVE PURCHASED IT THROUGH STEAM!
 

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Somonah said:
People still buy PC games from stores?


EDIT- i bet the people who buy PC games from RL shops also have VHS players, a CRT monitor and music on cassettes.
Good luck getting that Artbook and Statue through an internet download, buddy! lol

OT: I'm sure, and it seems like it's confirmed, that the data is there. The STEAM redirects are checks to gauge legitimacy and release time. This game is REALLY small (install wise), so it would be stupid not to have it on the disc.
 

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Ooooh come on!

I live in Holland so I got my physical copy today. Since it's Steam activated I can't play it yet. This better not be true. I didn't get that disc only to have to download the whole frigging thing anyway. My internet has been pretty slow the last few months.
 

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I only got the physical copy since it comes with a sweet ass map. I do hope you can install off the disc (It'd be silly if you can't), but if you HAVE to do a big 6gb download I'll have to queue it up to download after midnight as my ISP doesn't count overnight use against the data limit. Considering 6Gb is the equivalent of 3 days of internet data usage I can wait an extra day.
 

Adam Jensen_v1legacy

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This is simply not true. The easiest way to check this if you don't have the physical copy yet (mine always comes late for some mystical reason) is to go to a torrent site, where you can see a lot of Skyrim Steam DVD's that take 6Gb. So the data is on the disk. Your friend is confused.
 

Treblaine

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Makes you wonder why they even have a disc.

Why not a voucher with a scratch-plate to reveal the one-time-use product code?

Arluza said:
I want to be able to install from the disc
There is a work around and this works for every steam game. If one of your friends has downloaded Skyrim already (or any Steam game) then they can back it up to a USB stick and then restore that on a completely different computer and different account.

Of course, if you haven't bought the product key the game is unplayable, but if you have but haven't downloaded it, the back-up files are universal.

So next time you meet your friend, swap some USB sticks.

I just wish stores could do this. Like just have unauthorised data-files for loads of games you can pick up for £1 and then pay steam for the product key to unlock the game.
 

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good thing I don't have plans of playing this until my new comp is completed. Which should be sometime around January, might as well wait until cool mods start hitting mid summer
 

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Somonah said:
People still buy PC games from stores?


EDIT- i bet the people who buy PC games from RL shops also have VHS players, a CRT monitor and music on cassettes.
1. No need to be a douche.
2. Why is the expectation that everyone has internet. Here in Canada, the main providers cap and throttle downloads. If a person pays for a game, they shouldn't also have to maintain an internet connection.

Speaking of, why don't the publishers pay for my internet on a monthly basis if I buy a game (and have to always be online to play single player games)?
 

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distortedreality said:
Caniroth said:
This is not true, I've got the Skyrim DVD as well, and it has data on it, it just won't let you install it untill 11-11-11 (it checks with Steam though, but you won't have to download).
*sigh of relief*
Quoting for truth and justice.
And also because the OP should really alter his post in light of this... orrr the whole thread is liable to turn into a flame war or a trollfest any time now.

Oh wait, no, it did.

DYin01 said:
Nah you're alright, read the quote from distortedreality. I was just quoting you so I can ask; who's that in your profile pic? 'Cos they have a sweet looking guitar.
 

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Somonah said:
1. you're right, no need to be a douche. good thing i wasn't.
You kind of were.
Some people just like having physical copies of things.

I have the vast majority of my music in a physical format, but thats not because I'm too much of a cretin to use iTunes; its because I like having an actual collection....
 

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I have preordered my physical DVD copy of Skyrim; how am I supposed to install it? Do I need to install the Steam client first?

No. What you're actually installing when you completely install Skyrim from the DVD is the Steam client itself (as long as you haven't installed Steam in your system yet), which will then automatically copy the required game files from the DVD to your hard drive. You'll be asked to enter your Steam account name and password to log onto Steam authentication servers, then setup will start. If you don't have a Steam account you'll be asked to register one before installing Skyrim. Note that some of the files may be pulled from the internet through the Steam client to complete the installation, rather than all being on the DVD.
 

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Somonah said:
People still buy PC games from stores?


EDIT- i bet the people who buy PC games from RL shops also have VHS players, a CRT monitor and music on cassettes.
No, I have an 8-track and some pictures on the wall that I re-draw every now and then to simulate moving images.

You can get some great deals in stores on PC games, so it'd be silly to ignore a great bargain on a game just because the cool kids use Origin.
 

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Somonah said:
Appleshampoo said:
No, I have an 8-track and some pictures on the wall that I re-draw every now and then to simulate moving images.

You can get some great deals in stores on PC games, so it'd be silly to ignore a great bargain on a game just because the cool kids use Origin.
Cool kids use Direct2Drive, GOG and Steam. Idiots use Origin.
I should uninstall Origin, since I don't want to be called an idiot :(