'Slut' Parade

[Jimbo1212]

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When did being a slut = embracing being a woman? Being a slut is not healthy and is not something someone should aspire to be.

It became embracing being an individual when that's what the individual in question want to be. I don't have any problems with guys who sleep around (nor do society at large), so obviously I don't have one with women either (nor should society at large).

As for 'blaming the victim' , where is that happening? The officer simply gave advice on how to avoid the problem yet women have come out screaming in fear that advice is the same as remving their right.....

I think they come out in support of the fact that they shouldn't be targeted for wearing what they want, and that the police should focus on combating and hunting down the perpetrators who might think they are somehow more entitled to violate them when they dress "slutty", rather than telling the potential victims off.

We don't exactly tell people to can it with the criticism of Islamic terrorists just because it might provoke said terrorists, so I don't see why we should start telling women to limit their dressing habits out of fear of not provoking some equally despicable scum. Adapting one's personality out of consideration for common criminals is not really advice the police should be handing out. And it's hard to shake the notion that it's to some extent merely a façade for good ol' puritanism and condemnation of women who openly show they have a sexuality to rear its sorry head.

So it is fine to be a murderer and/or a pedophile with your logic?

I think it is about time someone condemns these women for dressing like that as it is not acceptable and the majority of the world would agree with me on that point.

The problem with rape is you can not really do anything until after it has happened. This is why the police are advocating taking preventative measures, but heck, if they want to spit the dummy out of the pram then so be it, just don't come crying to the police when shit hits the fan.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

The piece of "advice" you refer to, against which they are protesting, is a police officer telling them that "if they don't want to get raped, they shouldn't dress like sluts." That, incidentally, is not advice, it's sexism at its worst. It's blaming the victim. Honestly, it's not all that far from the passage in the bible where it says that if a woman gets raped in the city and doesn't scream loud enough she should be put to death because she should have screamed louder. It's the worst kind of patriarchal bullshit, and it's the kind of attitude that people do need to stand up against.

I don't know that attempting to "reclaim the word slut" is the right way to go about it, but nonetheless, it's important that people stand up and point out that saying things like that isn't going to be tolerated in a civilized society.

And so they protest in a way thats completely undermines their argument.

Morons.

How does this undermine their argument?

Chauvinist.

Cause they're calling themselves sluts.

Word.

Way to miss the entire point just because of a minor semantic issue.

IhateyoubutIcan'tflamebecauseI'llbebannedbutIhopeyouunderstandthatifthiswereareallifeconversationIwouldbeshoutingyoudownrightnow.

Thats the point isn't it? If your protesting those not protesting should be able to understand your position right away. Thats why Fred Phelps is effective. God Hates Fags, doesn't hide the lead, gets right to the point. Their satiriacle attempt at attacking the issue is fail.

Fuck did I do to you?

Is it not bad enough that these women are being accused of being responsible for the crimes that are committed against them, without people having to nitpick their choice of words, and call them morons?
I have friends that are going to that.

You called my friend a moron.

You're right, gosh darn, I am a horrible human being for objecting to their style of protest and feeling it's unintelligent way to present their very right argument.

Friendly advice, don't be so sensitive. Not everything is personal.

 

[gazumped]

But the principle is the same. Why was someone taking the risk in being mugged by walking with their wallet exposed? The same goes for sluts. Why are you dressed like that and taking an unnecessary risk? Yes, rape is worse, so surely that means women should grasp onto any advice given to them on how to avoid it rather then act like spoilt kids and do the opposite.

Yes, the principle is the same, and the thief still shouldn't have taken the wallet. Perhaps it was sticking out of the pocket because the trousers they were wearing that day were a bit tight. It was a hot day so they didn't have a jacket on. They had reasons for that wallet being exposed, they weren't just going WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO HIDE MY WALLET, just like girls who dress up tarty to pull men (OF THEIR OWN CHOOSING) have reasons to do so.
If police started accusing people who'd been burgled or mugged of asking for it and not convicting people of those crimes because the victim hadn't been cautious enough, I'll bet people would be up in arms about that, too.

Exactly this. If Jews are being murdered in your country, you don't tell them that they're being too Jewish. That's not the problem you have.

But that is not their choice is it? Being a slut is a choice, and a one that is already seen as bad before you bring the rape issue into it.

Religion isn't a choice? Well you can argue that Jewishness is almost a race, but what if the same thing were happening with Muslims? Or what about that goth couple that got attacked in Britain a few years ago for being goths, the girl died, was it their fault for being goths? Goths have a bad name also, Jews and Muslims are seen as being bad by an unfortunately large amount of people, you may think being a slut is bad but isn't it just another opinion backed up by a long held social stigma?

 

[Blayze2k]

and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

The piece of "advice" you refer to, against which they are protesting, is a police officer telling them that "if they don't want to get raped, they shouldn't dress like sluts." That, incidentally, is not advice, it's sexism at its worst. It's blaming the victim. Honestly, it's not all that far from the passage in the bible where it says that if a woman gets raped in the city and doesn't scream loud enough she should be put to death because she should have screamed louder. It's the worst kind of patriarchal bullshit, and it's the kind of attitude that people do need to stand up against.

I don't know that attempting to "reclaim the word slut" is the right way to go about it, but nonetheless, it's important that people stand up and point out that saying things like that isn't going to be tolerated in a civilized society.

And so they protest in a way thats completely undermines their argument.

Morons.

How does this undermine their argument?

Chauvinist.

Cause they're calling themselves sluts.

Word.

Way to miss the entire point just because of a minor semantic issue.

IhateyoubutIcan'tflamebecauseI'llbebannedbutIhopeyouunderstandthatifthiswereareallifeconversationIwouldbeshoutingyoudownrightnow.

Thats the point isn't it? If your protesting those not protesting should be able to understand your position right away. Thats why Fred Phelps is effective. God Hates Fags, doesn't hide the lead, gets right to the point. Their satiriacle attempt at attacking the issue is fail.

Fuck did I do to you?

Is it not bad enough that these women are being accused of being responsible for the crimes that are committed against them, without people having to nitpick their choice of words, and call them morons?
I have friends that are going to that.

You called my friend a moron.

You're right, gosh darn, I am a horrible human being for objecting to their style of protest and feeling it's unintelligent way to present their very right argument.

Friendly advice, don't be so sensitive. Not everything is personal.

Better advice: Some things ARE personal.
So watch your goddamn mouth.

 

[Zeekar]

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

Looks like they've missed the point too.
There was a thread on a similar topic recently, so I'll just re-post what I put there for my thoughts on the topic:

A guy is walking through a rough neighbourhood waving a wad of cash around, and he gets mugged.
Now, obviously the one who mugged the guy is in the wrong 100%. That was illegal, and he should be punished.
And the guy should have the right to wave around money as much as he wants without fear of being attacked and robbed. But it's a naive and dangerous game to play. Ideally, I should be able to leave my doors unlocked, my keys in my car, and my money on my counter. But it's asking for trouble if I do any of those things.

Again, not my fault if someone robs me. I have the right to leave my door unlocked, my money out, and my keys in my car. But, at the risk of sounding redundant, it's dangerously naive to do any of those things.

First, congratulations on your 6000th post.

Second, thank you for pointing out this misnomer. It can be said that a woman who dresses provocatively put herself into the situation to be sexually assaulted, however that doesn't make the assault any less wrong.

There is a marked difference between leaving your valuables vulnerable and dressing provocatively. The type of person that is willing to rape is MUCH different than the type of person that is willing to steal. And guess which one is far less common?

Is there any connection? Maybe there is, but maybe there isn't. Either way, asides from the common assumption that dress is an invitation to rape, there isn't really any proof of it.

 

[DanDeFool]

So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

I see what you're saying, and while being promiscuous and wearing revealing clothing may certainly incite lust in the male mind, it is not 'inviting' rape. Wearing a sign that says 'please rape me' would be inviting rape. It may be increasing the risk that some asshole might decide to try and rape you, but that's not the same thing as an invitation.

Frankly, I don't care if a woman walks around town butt-ass naked; she should not be raped. Ever.

Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali was quoted as such, when discussing the topic of women who refuse to wear burkas, as per Islamic tradition. I believe he was suspended for these remarks:

"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside ... and the cats come to eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats? or the uncovered meat?s?"

Naturally, people were upset by this, probably because women are not meat, and men are not cats. Women are human beings, who are endowed with the same legal rights as men (unless you're living in an Islamafacist dictatorship. Then not so much), not just property for men to do with what they please. Men are also human beings, and are supposed to know better than to go around raping any woman who flashes some cleavage.

If I were in the Toronto officer's position, I would have criticized the women for not carrying pepper spray and fixed-edge knives to defend themselves from morons who don't have any respect for their fellow humans and can't control their biological impulses. If this had occurred in America, I would have referred the women to the nearest gun show and given them forms to fill out to get concealed-carry licenses. THAT is how you protect yourself from rapists.

 

[Bloodstain]

Did you understand the article? Those women are saying you should be able to wear what you want. I support them wholeheartedly.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

The piece of "advice" you refer to, against which they are protesting, is a police officer telling them that "if they don't want to get raped, they shouldn't dress like sluts." That, incidentally, is not advice, it's sexism at its worst. It's blaming the victim. Honestly, it's not all that far from the passage in the bible where it says that if a woman gets raped in the city and doesn't scream loud enough she should be put to death because she should have screamed louder. It's the worst kind of patriarchal bullshit, and it's the kind of attitude that people do need to stand up against.

I don't know that attempting to "reclaim the word slut" is the right way to go about it, but nonetheless, it's important that people stand up and point out that saying things like that isn't going to be tolerated in a civilized society.

And so they protest in a way thats completely undermines their argument.

Morons.

How does this undermine their argument?

Chauvinist.

Cause they're calling themselves sluts.

Word.

Way to miss the entire point just because of a minor semantic issue.

IhateyoubutIcan'tflamebecauseI'llbebannedbutIhopeyouunderstandthatifthiswereareallifeconversationIwouldbeshoutingyoudownrightnow.

Thats the point isn't it? If your protesting those not protesting should be able to understand your position right away. Thats why Fred Phelps is effective. God Hates Fags, doesn't hide the lead, gets right to the point. Their satiriacle attempt at attacking the issue is fail.

Fuck did I do to you?

Is it not bad enough that these women are being accused of being responsible for the crimes that are committed against them, without people having to nitpick their choice of words, and call them morons?
I have friends that are going to that.

You called my friend a moron.

You're right, gosh darn, I am a horrible human being for objecting to their style of protest and feeling it's unintelligent way to present their very right argument.

Friendly advice, don't be so sensitive. Not everything is personal.

Better advice: Some things ARE personal.
So watch your goddamn mouth.

Okay you're getting rather hostile. No, clearly it's not personal and no one should be getting in a tiff over an opinion especially one clearly not chauvinistic as mine. Take care.

-SAI

 

[Professor James]

Girls should be able to dress sexy without fear of rape... that said, they should still fear being hit on by everything with a purple helmet warrior.

I don't really think "slut" needs a redefinition. Are they trying to make "slut" mean "hot chick" or "sexily dressed woman" as opposed to "woman who fucks anyone"? What's the point in that, I wonder? Why not just say sexy?

Eh, whatever. I don't really care but I definitely think rapists need to always face hard consequences (although that can bring up a whole other issue of girls being inebriated and having sex then claiming rape)

I think the point is they're trying to get rid of the negative connotations of the word slut and they're primarily protesting against the statement that if women don't want to be raped don't dress in provocative clothing.

OT: I don't really care if a women is promiscuous or not, more power to them. But I think they should take a different approach then protesting in the streets.

 

[Kurokami]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13333013

So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

I've actually been saying this for a while, why be ashamed of being a slut? Sex IS fun, if you say otherwise you're doing it wrong, I'm not saying you should necessarily do it with just anyone, but why is it that girls get labelled sluts when they sleep around and are reacted to negatively when a guy would get praise? He might be a sleaze, but I wouldn't be lying and pretending I wouldn't want to have sex.

And your rape comment is completely out of place, unless of course you're here to say that it's infact womens fault when they get raped.

 

[renegade7]

I wonder what's gonna happen when these women try to find work, a nice big picture of them at a "Sluts say yes!" rally will really endear them to the boss

 

[Thaa'ir]

I don't know what to think about it...it just reminds me of listening to guys brag about how many girls they've slept with. What is the difference between a guy acting like a slut and a girl acting like one? I don't approve of either, but live and let live.

 

[Levitas1234]

It's sexist to consider women who fuck around sluts, after all us men do it all the time.

 

[Kraj]

I don't agree with rape.
Nor do I agree that character and quality of personality should be judged by clothing.
Nor do I agree that it is non-hypocritical for women who have multiple partners or are relatively more active sexually than men should be looked down on, while men of the same character are often idolized.
I also do not agree that reclaiming the word "slut" will do much if anything to help change the common outlook of women who choose a more active lifestyle being "lesser" in some way to women who are "classical" in their approach to sex.

I think that it's a nice idea, but it could be better approached.
Go "sluts", but more, go "equality". :-/

 

[Sentox6]

Better advice: Some things ARE personal.
So watch your goddamn mouth.

Watch out everyone, Internet Tough Guy is here to beat you into line.

The problem is that parades tend to involve multiple people, and multiple people are exponentially (not linearly) more stupid than an individual. It's showing here. This parade really takes the cake.

Forget the rape issue, dressing like a slut is nothing to advocate for in the first place.

 

[Terrified Android]

If you read the article, it's really about women marching because of a police officer's comments that women should stop dressing like "sluts" to avoid getting raped.

Calling yourself a "slut" and marching around acting like a slut doesn't help anyone, especially the people marching.

QFT

They are ADDING to the problem, it's silly really.

 

[Blayze2k]

and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

The piece of "advice" you refer to, against which they are protesting, is a police officer telling them that "if they don't want to get raped, they shouldn't dress like sluts." That, incidentally, is not advice, it's sexism at its worst. It's blaming the victim. Honestly, it's not all that far from the passage in the bible where it says that if a woman gets raped in the city and doesn't scream loud enough she should be put to death because she should have screamed louder. It's the worst kind of patriarchal bullshit, and it's the kind of attitude that people do need to stand up against.

I don't know that attempting to "reclaim the word slut" is the right way to go about it, but nonetheless, it's important that people stand up and point out that saying things like that isn't going to be tolerated in a civilized society.

And so they protest in a way thats completely undermines their argument.

Morons.

How does this undermine their argument?

Chauvinist.

Cause they're calling themselves sluts.

Word.

Way to miss the entire point just because of a minor semantic issue.

IhateyoubutIcan'tflamebecauseI'llbebannedbutIhopeyouunderstandthatifthiswereareallifeconversationIwouldbeshoutingyoudownrightnow.

Thats the point isn't it? If your protesting those not protesting should be able to understand your position right away. Thats why Fred Phelps is effective. God Hates Fags, doesn't hide the lead, gets right to the point. Their satiriacle attempt at attacking the issue is fail.

Fuck did I do to you?

Is it not bad enough that these women are being accused of being responsible for the crimes that are committed against them, without people having to nitpick their choice of words, and call them morons?
I have friends that are going to that.

You called my friend a moron.

You're right, gosh darn, I am a horrible human being for objecting to their style of protest and feeling it's unintelligent way to present their very right argument.

Friendly advice, don't be so sensitive. Not everything is personal.

Better advice: Some things ARE personal.
So watch your goddamn mouth.

Okay you're getting rather hostile. No, clearly it's not personal and no one should be getting in a tiff over an opinion especially one clearly not chauvinistic as mine. Take care.

-SAI

Yes, I'm hostile.
How is it not personal?

 

[gazumped]

Also

last time I checked, women who were sensible did not get raped (sensible being: dressing normally, going in groups etc).

I'm now not even sure that you're not trolling. @_@ The majority of rape happens to people who know the rapist, the majority of rape happens to people who aren't dressed 'sluttily', some rape happens to the elderly, for crying out loud, are you saying those OAPs must have been wearing miniskirts and getting drunk at nightclubs?

Just a quick Google search for statistics brought up:

Utah State University Sexual Assault and Anti Violence Information

Myth: Rape victims provoke the attach by wearing provocative clothing

- A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only
4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part
of the victim. In murder cases 22% involved such behavior (as simple
as a glance).

- Most convicted rapists do not remember what their victims were wearing.

- Victims range in age from days old to those in their nineties,
hardly provocative dressers.

 

[Tsuki Akechi]

Well if they feel there is nothing wrong with being treated as nothing more than a tool, than fine, whatever. Like I give a shit.

Edit: Ok, now that I've actually taken a gander at the article itself, scratch what I said before. Sure they can wear what they want. I'm not sure they're going about this the right way though. I don't see how taking back the word 'slut' is going to help anything. Then again, to me being a 'slut' is more about a manner of behavior than it is a manor of dress.

agreed, i think it's behavioral rather than how one dresses

 

[ramboondiea]

read this, got to the part were they ***** about double standard, then spent 1 mins ranting. i hate that excuse about a woman being a slut, a guy being a stud or a ladies man, its the weakest argument i have ever heard (in relation to sexism) its twoddle, some people, lets call them nobheads, may see the world this way, but to make such a broad generational and beable to get away with it is disgusting.

if a women acts like a slut, thats what i will call them, if a guy acts like a slut, thats what i will call him