'Slut' Parade
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That was a jokeHive Mind said:Heaven help any women or man that comes across someone who believes rape only occurs when the word no is used.chris89300 said:Altho, you'd have to say "no" in the first place, for it to actually be a rape).
Dear god.
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You're arguing that on some psychological or physical level, women need or want rape.Guy Jackson said:
See, you can't say "I don't know about the subject, but prove to me that it makes point X." It's not their job to educate you, or mine either, but I'll try.
It's not 'some people in this thread', it's actual scientific studies. Orgasms are entirely disassociated from whether the victim desires or is enjoying the experience. This is not an opinion, not something debatable. It is scientific fact.
I notice that you repeaetedly admit to not knowing about things, yet seem reluctant to do even cursory Googling.
It's a theory, not a scientific fact, and largely irrelevant.
Because you keep misunderstanding it over and over again.
Then why are you still arguing?
Which has been proven wrong. Repeatedly.
Yes it does. It means it's purely physical in men too. Again, proven scientific fact. Is there any gender safe from your idiocy? Hermaphrodites, maybe.
To quote you, "women are [bleeped] up". Those are emotional reactions. A lot of victims actually know that, intellectually, they shouldn't feel ashamed, yet they do anyway.
Not relevant to actual rape. I have mowed down dozens of assassins in Max Payne 2, yet I'm a pacifist in real life. Fantasy != reality.
It's not the "total" part people are having problems with. It's "any".
It's not desired. It can be bought about even in people with no feeling in that area. You have built incorrect logic upon incorrect premises, value opinions over scientific studies, ignore testimony from actual rape victims, yet claim to be reasonable.
I appreciate the backup, but that's really not necessary. I would much rather discuss the matter with Hive Mind rather than starting a flamewar. However, the second paragraph of my original post, the more serious one, has been completely skipped.Sikachu said:
Women don't dress in sexy clothing to arouse male interest. It is a misconception that basically all males have. Seriously, almost all women will tell you, when we dress up or dress "sexy", it is to impress other women, conform to a social standard or ideal, or to simply feel good about ourselves.bahumat42 said:
Clothes on a day to day basis have so little to do with sex. Just like during your daily decision in the morning on what t-shirt to wear (average guy example), concern about whether or not someone will rape you because of that shirt that day, is rarely, if ever, a factor in the decision. It is incredibly unfair and just plain stupid to tell women and only women: "and after finally deciding what to wear, have a look at yourself and conduct a Will I Get Raped Today test, and only if it passes the test you are allowed to leave the house and not get 100% of the blame in the event of a rape".
And anyway, this:
Dags90 said:
When talking about rape, we're talking about adult victims, otherwise, it's called pedophilia.JonnWood said:
The stats should be taken from adult rape cases, not from overall rapes.
It would be a more fitting analogy to say:Ferrious said:
"Don't leave your car in a poorly lit, dangerous area out of pedestrian view."
"Don't leave the windows of your house open and your expensive laptops on show."
and "Don't take unecessary risks that might compromise your safety".
Whilst I hate the claim that a woman dressing like a slut is "asking for it", women should be well aware of the inherent risk of dressing as they do. I'm all against blaming the victim, but perhaps the victim might not have become a victim if they took the necessary precautions. Not dressing in a titillating fashion might be one of them, though considering how many women do it, it shouldn't be an issue. Especially if she takes other precautions (drinking sensible amounts of alcohol, partying with friends, carrying mace etc).
Perhaps, but it takes a lot of effort to become a manwhore. Alternatively, if a man is a virgin, he is obviously not a "real man". If a woman is a virgin, then it is all the better. You should watch Easy A; the entire movie is about satiring this double standard.S_SienZ said:
That's something of a relief; to be in any way aligned with such a disgusting and in a way laughable attitude would offend me. (I'm looking at you, hateful children, bullying others and picking apart looks in a desperate attempt to hide insecurity.)Adremmalech said:
*Looks at fiance - love of my life and childhood friend* Not sure what you are referring to. Projecting perhaps?Sikachu said:
...They do know rape is already against the law, yes? We don't need to protest it. Someone needs to get a redundancy demotivational in here, STAT.
Sorry, but this is stupid. Having a parade where those women show off how tight of clothes they wear or how short their skirts are seems more to entertain the idea of rape in the head of a man sick, determined, and horny enough.
Sorry, but this is stupid. Having a parade where those women show off how tight of clothes they wear or how short their skirts are seems more to entertain the idea of rape in the head of a man sick, determined, and horny enough.
No. The rape of a minor is called rape. Paedophilia is a paraphilia -- a mental disorder -- not a sex act. In fact, raping a child doesn't even make you a paedophile. Paedophilia is defined as an exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children and has nothing to do with the act of rape.chris89300 said:
You're welcome.
First this:
It's extremely shitty when a police person makes statements like that. Imagine getting raped, and then getting the lookdown at the police office and hearing "but you were dressed SLUTTY." What about pretty people then? Should they just cover up all the goodness, to prevent being assualted?
Most people get raped by people they know, and who don't give a fuck what their victims are wearing. Statistically, the best way to avoid getting raped would be to steer clear of your family and loved ones.
On the slut thing though. That lock joke is not really enough to explain why liking sex and having it is a bad thing for women. Putting people down for being sexual, or dressing in a way that expresses their sexuality? Way to go society. That is a very scary way of thinking in my book, and I do not see what people have to gain from it. I saw people use the pregnancy or disease -agrument, but we have things for that.
If anything, women (and men!) should hear more "hey, respect yourself and others, use protection, and only have sex when you feel comfortable with it.", and less "OMG U WHORE, U R BAD PERSON"
Using protection or getting tested is always a good idea, even if you don't see yourself as "slutty". People in (serially)monogamous relationships can get STI's too, and they can get raped aswell.
That lock joke might do little to explain why slut = bad, but it does show a wierd kind of thinking about our sexuality: it makes it seem is if someone is trying to enter, and the lock should have prevented this.
Too often sex is seen as a thing men take, and women give. A girl is called a slut when she gives too often, or too gladly.
When you consider sex as a thing BETWEEN people, a thing people of any gender can desire or have, the "slut"- label suddenly becomes hollow and useless. It's only there to hurt people really. Let's stop that, ok?
It's extremely shitty when a police person makes statements like that. Imagine getting raped, and then getting the lookdown at the police office and hearing "but you were dressed SLUTTY." What about pretty people then? Should they just cover up all the goodness, to prevent being assualted?
Most people get raped by people they know, and who don't give a fuck what their victims are wearing. Statistically, the best way to avoid getting raped would be to steer clear of your family and loved ones.
On the slut thing though. That lock joke is not really enough to explain why liking sex and having it is a bad thing for women. Putting people down for being sexual, or dressing in a way that expresses their sexuality? Way to go society. That is a very scary way of thinking in my book, and I do not see what people have to gain from it. I saw people use the pregnancy or disease -agrument, but we have things for that.
If anything, women (and men!) should hear more "hey, respect yourself and others, use protection, and only have sex when you feel comfortable with it.", and less "OMG U WHORE, U R BAD PERSON"
Using protection or getting tested is always a good idea, even if you don't see yourself as "slutty". People in (serially)monogamous relationships can get STI's too, and they can get raped aswell.
That lock joke might do little to explain why slut = bad, but it does show a wierd kind of thinking about our sexuality: it makes it seem is if someone is trying to enter, and the lock should have prevented this.
Too often sex is seen as a thing men take, and women give. A girl is called a slut when she gives too often, or too gladly.
When you consider sex as a thing BETWEEN people, a thing people of any gender can desire or have, the "slut"- label suddenly becomes hollow and useless. It's only there to hurt people really. Let's stop that, ok?
You seem to have skipped over the entire "Most rape is committed by someone the victim has been acquainted with previously and has spent the night with them," part. As children cannot consent, they cannot have 'spent the night' - it would be rape.JonnWood said:
Yes, but more because of hypothermia than the chance of rape.
Look, I personally believe that there's stuff people shouldn't wear. Like a 200 lb. woman in a tube top. Do I have a right to an opinion? Yes. Do they? Also yes. I don't have a right to force my beliefs of what they should or shouldn't wear on them? No, unless I'm a cop enforcing some sort of public exposure statute. Does dressing a certain way justify or mollify rape? No, never, and there's no statistical connection either. Quite the opposite.
What caught my attention about this story was how intuitive the officer's suggestion was. Every guy here known that a vulnerable woman is somehow more attractive than a powerful woman, in most cases. Every guy knows it's the other way around when a girl finds a guy attractive. A man is more attractive when he's in control. When he's vulnerable, he is rejected even further. Every guy here knows this if they've been to high school.
Since that is the case, and speaking from a male perspective, a woman wearing less clothes looks more attractive in general, but also more vulnerable. It is also a sign that she is more open to sex if she appears to be pea-cocking. That is, showing herself off. We are not horrible people for interpreting these signals this way. Those who cannot control themselves are the horrible ones.
Do not twist my words.
Most men are perfectly happy watching a woman's features shift as she walks along, but watch out, because there are predators out there, and they are not always content with watching. Anything that can be seen as an invitation could make a girl more likely to be assaulted. Be aware.
Since that is the case, and speaking from a male perspective, a woman wearing less clothes looks more attractive in general, but also more vulnerable. It is also a sign that she is more open to sex if she appears to be pea-cocking. That is, showing herself off. We are not horrible people for interpreting these signals this way. Those who cannot control themselves are the horrible ones.
Do not twist my words.
Most men are perfectly happy watching a woman's features shift as she walks along, but watch out, because there are predators out there, and they are not always content with watching. Anything that can be seen as an invitation could make a girl more likely to be assaulted. Be aware.