Guy Jackson said:
Now you're just being ridiculous. I'm saying that the mind is a complicated thing, and that rape might meet several basic desires in women (as well as many things they don't desire, like pain and fear).
You're arguing that on some psychological or physical level, women
need or
want rape.
As for the Autonomous (or Autonomic, if that's the proper name) Nervous System, I admit to knowing very little about it except that it controls automatic stuff like heartbeat. And, if some people in this thread are to be believed, orgasms. Great. And how does that disprove mental stimulation?
See, you can't say "I don't know about the subject, but prove to me that it makes point X." It's not their job to educate you, or mine either, but I'll try.
It's not 'some people in this thread', it's
actual scientific studies.
Orgasms are entirely disassociated from whether the victim desires or is enjoying the experience. This is not an opinion, not something debatable. It is scientific fact.
I notice that you repeaetedly admit to not knowing about things, yet seem reluctant to do even cursory Googling.
Defense mechanism. Interesting. Then explain why some male rape victims said they got an erection during the rape. Exactly how does an erection serve as any kind of defense mechanism?
It's a theory, not a scientific fact, and largely irrelevant.
Anyway, Occam's razor. I've been trying to avoid your (false) accusations of misuse as they're completely beside the point and strike me as being little more than a futile exercise in point scoring and/or derailing, but since you insist on dragging it up over and over again...
Because you keep misunderstanding it over and over again.
You're correct in saying that Occam's razor is not a proof. However, as I've stated twice already, I am not (and never have been) attempting to prove my assumption.
Then why are you still arguing?
We have these curiosities: that many women fantasise about rape, and that some women orgasm during rape. I say both qualify as curious because rape is ostensibly an unpleasant experience.
My explanation involves one assumption: that on some level women enjoy, if only in part, being raped.
Which has been proven wrong. Repeatedly.
The notion that the response is purely physical does not explain male arousal during rape,
Yes it does. It means it's purely physical in men too. Again, proven scientific fact. Is there any gender safe from your idiocy? Hermaphrodites, maybe.
nor does it explain the shame that women feel over the orgasm,
To quote you, "women are [bleeped] up". Those are emotional reactions. A lot of victims actually know that, intellectually, they shouldn't feel ashamed, yet they do anyway.
and it conveniently ignores the high rate of rape fantasising in women.
Not relevant to actual rape. I have mowed down dozens of assassins in Max Payne 2, yet I'm a pacifist in real life. Fantasy != reality.
The fact that rape is an awful, traumatic, painful experience seems to me to entirely beside the point, as I am not claiming total enjoyment/desire on the part of the victim.
It's not the "total" part people are having problems with. It's "any".
The fact that the women who had orgasms said that they didn't want to is also useless as it tells us only of their conscious mind state (and I do hope you're not suggesting that people have a complete understanding of their own subconscious desires).
It's not desired. It can be bought about even in people with no feeling in that area. You have built incorrect logic upon incorrect premises, value opinions over scientific studies, ignore testimony from actual rape victims, yet claim to be reasonable.
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