Fox12 said:
Racism is a pretty serious accusation. So yes, if you want anyone to take it seriously, you'll actually have to support you claim.
In other words, in your eyes, there's no such thing as inference, implication, and context. For example, what point is there to JonTron asserting that wealthy blacks commit more crime than poor whites if not to draw a clear conclusion about black people? This is what's so infuriating sometimes. The people taking these "bold and controversial" stances refuse to follow their talking point to the next step while in polite circles, yet take umbrage if someone else uses their powers of deduction to explain where it was leading to.
A lot of you can ascribe to JonTron various disparaging, undesirable traits such as stupidity, but suggest part of the source of that ignorance may be rooted in racial animus and/or discomfort toward "the other" and all of a sudden you lot become pedants requiring the most etymologically-rooted dictionary definition possible.
I heard him say something about white nations protecting their culture. By which he obviously meant white majority nations, like many in Europe, in the same way that you would say Japan is an asian nation. He even made that point. Given that america was 70% white not so long ago, I see what he meant. He clearly wasn't trying to say that non-whites have no place in america. And he clarified, as I already mentioned, that he was more concerned about culture then race. He said he was fine with changing ethnic demographics. Again, it was a careless use of words, but it's not explicitly racist.
Even describing Japan simply as "Asian" is facile. Indians (from India) and Middle-Easterners certainly aren't considered "Asian" in the same sense as the Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans. And even amongst that latter group, they view themselves as being diametrically opposed culturally and historically.
Whiteness seems to be even more muddy and conditional, accepting any number of ethnic Jews, certain Arabs, and vaguely-white swarthy Europeans (Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians, etc.) when it's convenient to do so. That condition, by the way, is often being able to take collective praise for historical accomplishments. Never mind the often-cited exclusion of the Irish until recently.
"Culture" is a dog-whistle in this context. When describing the threat of Islam, for example, people aren't picturing White-passing Bosnians, Muslims from any number of Slavik countries, or converts.
It's merely implicitly racist, though, so better not use the R-word, guys! JonTron implying black people, even when given money and opportunity, are predisposed to crime or that whiteness is a better determination of "American-ness" than being born in America isn't what's offensive or the serious accusation.
It does. Are you implying that different ethnicities and nationalities don't often have unique sub cultures? I thought this was common knowledge. Sometimes those cultures even influence the larger culture. I fail to see how this is even controversial.
White isn't a nationality or even a strict ethnicity. How does one even begin to discuss "white culture" living in a melting pot? "Black", as used in the U.S., isn't an ideal designation, but a placeholder identity due to the disconnect caused by slavery. It's the cultural equivalent of "John Doe".
He was voicing concern that immigrants from certain nations may not share the values of the nation as a whole. This can sometimes be a legitimate concern, such as in Europe right now. He was right, there are riots and problems in european nations as a result of this. I'm not sure why he was extending this to hispanic immigration from mexico, but I see what he was trying to say. It was stupid and uninformed, but again, I don't think the dudes a racist.
If I can be blunt, what your mealy-mouthing appears to essentially amount to is, "I kind of agree with him and/or share his sentiments, but am also aware of how it comes across negatively. It'd serve me to raise the threshold of what's deemed racist lest some self-reflection be required on my part."
